Mace Windu vs. Count Dooku in Geonosis Arena

Originally posted by kingkman
well faunus, sorry to burst your bubble but as you see in the film star wars episode 3 : revenge of the sith, mace windu is about to strike sidious down but is caught off guard and is still able to block it, whereas yoda was caught off guard by sidious and lost his lightsaber. And im sure that if given the chance under circumstances like yoda, mace windu would have been able to block it with his hands aswell. I dont play the mod but when i see someone like you who sees themselves as god pick on someone for no good reason i like to stop it.

Picking on? Tsk. I thought you were alright fo r a second there. . . Do yourself a favor; go back and read through that thread in which I was 'picking on', playing 'the bully', whatever. You think anyone there's light on the insults, the slurs? It's because of people like you, those who make these thought-less assumptions and insinuations, that I started doing things like that. So next time, watch it.

And Mace can't compare with Yoda there, not by far.

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
And Mace can't compare with Yoda there, not by far.

I beg to differ. Although it was fate that saved Sidious from Yoda, Mace did a very good job against him. Yoda would definatly defeat Mace, but not by a lot.

Originally posted by kingkman
he was caught offguard when mace was talking to him once sidious was unarmed and was able to release his fury of force lightning which mace probably never knew he could do. Yoda didn't drop his lightsaber, it was knocked out of his hand by the lightning. And lastly you should read up on what we were debating instead of jumping to conclusions, we were never discussing who was the better out of dooku and yoda.

Read up yourself; you seem to miss the point in threads, like on the one in which I was 'picking on' people. Nai was calling on that fact because you stated that Mace could outdo Yoda in defensive Force techniques.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I beg to differ. Although it was fate that saved Sidious from Yoda, Mace did a very good job against him. Yoda would definatly defeat Mace, but not by a lot.

*sigh* Of course he would, I've stated that many times myself. It's a slight exaggeration meant to accentuate a point.

Originally posted by kingkman
he was caught offguard when mace was talking to him once sidious was unarmed and was able to release his fury of force lightning which mace probably never knew he could do.

Mace had his lightsaber ignited and was concentrated on Sidious. That isn't "off guard". The only one that caught Mace off guard was Anakin when he cut Mace arm off.

Yoda didn't drop his lightsaber, it was knocked out of his hand by the lightning. And lastly you should read up on what we were debating instead of jumping to conclusions, we were never discussing who was the better out of dooku and yoda.

You were basically saying that Mace was superior to Yoda. And therefore I was calling on the fact that Yoda dropped his lightsaber. If you don't thrust me watch the movie again or go read the movie script before telling me that I'm "jumping to conclusions".

Great, more know it all noobs...

lol.

maybe you should take your own advice faunus. Nai's words were Yoda is the superior duelist and force user. And he didn't once directly mention anything about defensive force powers

Originally posted by kingkman
maybe you should take your own advice faunus. Nai's words were Yoda is the superior duelist and force user. And he didn't once directly mention anything about defensive force powers

When I say that Yoda is the superior force user that actually means he has superior defensive force powers (compared to Dooku, Mace and anyone else).

Yoda was the only individual in the movies that not only could redirect the force lightning but could simply absorb it (seen in AotC against Dooku). Dooku can deflect it with his hand - maybe Mace would be able to do that too but Mace had to use his lightsaber to deflect Sidious lightning where Yoda used his bare hands. If this would not have been the case Mace would have deflected the lightning with the one hand while killing Sidious with the other - obviously he wasn't able to do that.

So where did you get the idea that Mace had superior defensive force powers compared to Yoda ?

Mace used his lightsaber to block it because he had a choice and i think anybody with that choice would use their lightsaber. Yoda was unable to block the first wave of lightning by sidious. The only time mace windu is not able to block it is when he has had his other hand cut off. when you said "If this would not have been the case Mace would have deflected the lightning with the one hand while killing Sidious with the other - obviously he wasn't able to do that." did you assume that yoda could because if you did you are very wrong. He would be struggling wiht the lightning to attack with the other hand.Also mace was not only able to block the lightning but also redirect it back at sidious, something yoda was never able to do in his fights with dooku and sidious. Now do you understand where i got the idea mace had superior defence to force powers than yoda

Yoda absorbed it and threw it back..

Mace reflected it with his lightsaber? Well I wouldn't even call it that... The lightning hit his lightsaber and just reflected, Obi wan reflected Dooku his lightning in AOTC with a lightsaber and it flew back a bit not far enough to hit Dooku. But Sidious and Mace were closer and Sidious put a lot more power into it. All Mace had to do was keep his lightsaber in front of Sidious his lightning and hold on. It hardly makes him more powerful.

So what he also got hit by lighting without blocking it before and lost his lightsaber due to not being able to handle sidious's lightsaber. And if i remember correctly didn't yoda lose because he absorbed the lightning. He didn't absorb it and throw it back. He absorbed it and created an explosion which in fact caused him to lose the high ground and did more damage to him than sidious. And do you really think sidious is so weak that his lightning just reflects back when blocked. Er no. Mace totally redirected it and you say that it was easier for him to do so because he was so close. You could also say that it was easier for sidious to hit him because it was so close. And the fact that it was so close probably means that it was a lot more powerful when it hit mace than when it hit yoda.

Do you read your own posts?, because I don't think anyone could know what they're writing and still write things that silly.

Originally posted by kingkman
So what he also got hit by lighting without blocking it before and lost his lightsaber due to not being able to handle sidious's lightsaber.

WTF ? You are talking about Yoda ? Yoda lost his lightsaber because he had to drop it to deflect Sidious lightning (he needed both hands) and in fact he forced Sidious to drop his lightsaber before that because Sidious can't handle Yoda in a lightsaber duel.

And if i remember correctly didn't yoda lose because he absorbed the lightning. He didn't absorb it and throw it back. He absorbed it and created an explosion which in fact caused him to lose the high ground and did more damage to him than sidious.

Yoda absorbed Dookus lightning in AotC and he did that with ONE HAND. Yoda didn't create the explosion. He reflected the lightning thereby the force energy was stored between him and Sidious and than it exploded. And Sidious had the "high ground" not Yoda - Yoda hat just bad luck not having a grip on his side of that Senate pod.

And do you really think sidious is so weak that his lightning just reflects back when blocked. Er no. Mace totally redirected it and you say that it was easier for him to do so because he was so close. You could also say that it was easier for sidious to hit him because it was so close. And the fact that it was so close probably means that it was a lot more powerful when it hit mace than when it hit yoda.

WTF ? Yoda DID reflect Sidious lightning on point blank range. He was closer to Sidious than Mace and still Mace had to use his lightsaber to keep that lightning away were Yoda was using his bare hands and in fact dropped the lightsaber to reflect the lightning.

That lightning is absorbed by a lightsaber blade and I think Yoda wanted to kill Sidious by deflecting it where all other people just had to keep it away from them (using their lightsaber).

To say Mace was better than Yoda is simply STUPID - either that or you are a Sidious / Mace fanboy.

are you really saying that yoda purposely dropped his saber because he needed to block it with his hands. thats actually quite funny surry thing nai fohl and sidious did not drop his lightsaber before that he put it away.
As i said it exploded he did not redirect it. And just as yoda fell sidious and yoda were on the same height and so when yoda fell of he lost the high ground. Yoda was not as close as mace. Mace was almost on top of him he was ready to strike him down. lightning is not absorbe by a saber blade as is shown when mace redirects it

Yoda was standing closer to the edge of the pod. Sidious was standing in the middle.

Yoda is lighter then Sidious so of course he would fly farther.

When Yoda pushed Sidious his lightning back Sidious looked scared, Yoda was not just reflecting it, he pushed Sidious back thats what caused the explosion. Yoda was so much more powerful then Mace could ever hope to be. Look argueing that is like argueing about the existance of the Internet over the internet. It exists point. Use your head already.

yoda has still been unsuccesful when it comes to lightning on 3 occasions in the films. all against sidious when he was unable to block sidious's first strike of lightning, when he lost his lightsaber due to lightning and when he caused the lightning bomb and fell of the pod. windu was unsuccessful once and that was just after having his lightsaber hand cut off.

Yoda his first thing I agree with. The other two he won the duel but lost as a result of that... He still proved to be more powerful then Sidious.

im not argueing about whether he was more powerful than sidious or not, i dont know about you but i was argueing that mace windu was able to defend against force powers better than yoda could

Yoda deflected Sidious' two hand lightning with his bare hands, and turned it back on him. How is what Mace did more impressive? Hell, even Obi-Wan was able to deflect lightning with a lightsaber.