Originally posted by Syren
whirlysplat, I have to say that even if you are joking, you seem incapable of differentiating between important discussion and Off Topic crap 🙄
So can I take that as a no wounded2
Sorry, I just don't think this is a serious topic in Englad as parents are no longer allowed to spank here by law anyway.
Originally posted by whirlysplatnot allowed by law? 😖
So can I take that as a no wounded2Sorry, I just don't think this is a serious topic in Englad as parents are no longer allowed to spank here by law anyway.
I don't get it.
I hate the idea of beating anyone. but if the kid does something really bad it has to get punishment..and i honestly never understood the pont of being 'grounded' 😖
Originally posted by whirlysplat
So can I take that as a no wounded2Sorry, I just don't think this is a serious topic in Englad as parents are no longer allowed to spank here by law anyway.
Well we can still discuss our own opinion...doesn't matter what the law says
Look: I can even say I think killing people is right....also the law says its not.....
Originally posted by Syren
When did this law come about? I live in the East of England and as far as I know they are still allowed to...
Actually the House of Lords voted down the ban and it has not become Law yet MP's voted yes and it will become so early next year.
Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark and Austria, have already outlawed all physical punishment of children and we are set to follow.
http://www.worldmagblog.com/blog/archives/006186.html
http://www.worldmagblog.com/blog/archives/006186.html
http://www.corpun.com/ukd00405.htm
Even so at present we are at odds with European law and the European Court of Human Rights OLd article 2001
The European Court stated in its judgement:
the government must be held responsible because 'children and other vulnerable individuals in particular were entitled to protection, in the form of effective deterrence, from such forms of ill-treatment.
English law, which provided that the prosecution had to prove that an assault on a child went beyond the limits of reasonable punishment, did not provide adequate protection to the applicant.
The Strasbourg judgement, it should be pointed out, did not actually ban corporal punishment and did not prevent British parents from spanking their children, but it did open the door wide to further challenges to the 1860 law which permits spanking, since the European Court concluded that the British law inadequately protected children.
Fortunately, the British government has rejected the European ruling, stating that "the government still believes in parental discipline." According to the British Minister of Health, Paul Boateng:
Smacking has a place within that, and our law will not change in order to outlaw smacking.
... But ... we are equally determined to ensure that nothing undermines a parent's right to discipline a child within a caring and loving environment.
Which could be invoked theoretically by a child.
So No its no illegal yet, but it is against European Law😄
Social Services take a dim view of it in any case in the uk.
As do the NSPPC etc as someone who was removed and eventually adopted due to child abuse. I do realise the seriousness of this debate although, I do not think the article being discussed is very serious.
-The Whirly one 😄
Originally posted by BackFireHowever, spanking is often a direct result of lazy and ignorant parenting. Spanking your kid, has, psychologically shown to cause more harm then good to the psyche of the children. So it probably shouldn't be done, only in maybe extreme rare circumstances. However, it hitting your kid is the only way to get him to stop being a little assclown, then there are probably more serious problems at hand and he should be taken to the doctor to see if he may have some kind of personallity disorder or something.
A good parent of a normal, mentally sound child should never have to resort to spanking, simple as that.
BF do you have kids?? Cause before I had em I used to say the exact same thing. you know what I found out? Psychological studies dont mean shit on this issue.. I swore I would NEVER spank my kids,, was all high & mighty on the 'proper' type of discipline & the use of positive reinforcement.. thats all well & good but there are alot of times when spanking is the only thing that works.. my kids are not mentally unstable (cant believe I just typed that seeing as how much they drive ME insane 😛) and while I have my faults I am a good parent so such a cut & dry statement as "A good parent of a normal, mentally sound child should never have to resort to spanking, simple as that" is not only inaccurate its offensive...
Originally posted by bilb
BF do you have kids?? Cause before I had em I used to say the exact same thing. you know what I found out? Psychological studies dont mean shit on this issue.. I swore I would NEVER spank my kids,, was all high & mighty on the 'proper' type of discipline & the use of positive reinforcement.. thats all well & good but there are alot of times when spanking is the only thing that works.. my kids are not mentally unstable (cant believe I just typed that seeing as how much they drive ME insane 😛) and while I have my faults I am a good parent so such a cut & dry statement as "A good parent of a normal, mentally sound child should never have to resort to spanking, simple as that" is not only inaccurate its offensive...
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I have to agree with bilb, although I don't have kids, BF did make a very simple generalisation 😬
Even now, when my boyfriend and I discuss the ways we would like to rear our children, his views are sometimes very different from mine. I would love to think I could have perfect children, ones who would never step out of line, who I would never have to berate or punish, but I'm realistic enough to know that my kids will probably be as badass as everyone else's, and as normal.
I used to say I would let my kids do all the things I was never allowed to do, smoke, drink, stay out til all hours, whatever, but now I know for sure that I will implement ground rules, there will be curfews and my kids will not be allowed to take the piss just because I felt suffocated as a child. If a spanking is necessary, that's what they'll get. I won't beat my kids, but I will let them know when they crossed the line, and how far they've gone.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that making a statement like BF's has got to be the worst thing, especially if you have no children. You can always vow to do this, or not to do that, but until you have first hand experience in bringing up kids sweeping statements should be left to the professionals. And by professionals I mean parents.
Originally posted by bilb
BF do you have kids?? Cause before I had em I used to say the exact same thing. you know what I found out? Psychological studies dont mean shit on this issue.. I swore I would NEVER spank my kids,, was all high & mighty on the 'proper' type of discipline & the use of positive reinforcement.. thats all well & good but there are alot of times when spanking is the only thing that works.. my kids are not mentally unstable (cant believe I just typed that seeing as how much they drive ME insane 😛) and while I have my faults I am a good parent so such a cut & dry statement as "A good parent of a normal, mentally sound child should never have to resort to spanking, simple as that" is not only inaccurate its offensive...
I'm glad someone said this. I don't have kids but when i do I expect that my views will be similar to bilb's.
Originally posted by bilb
BF do you have kids?? Cause before I had em I used to say the exact same thing. you know what I found out? Psychological studies dont mean shit on this issue.. I swore I would NEVER spank my kids,, was all high & mighty on the 'proper' type of discipline & the use of positive reinforcement.. thats all well & good but there are alot of times when spanking is the only thing that works.. my kids are not mentally unstable (cant believe I just typed that seeing as how much they drive ME insane 😛) and while I have my faults I am a good parent so such a cut & dry statement as "A good parent of a normal, mentally sound child should never have to resort to spanking, simple as that" is not only inaccurate its offensive...
Welll maybe you are not that good after all....or your kids are not that great.....
I don't have any kids. However, I'm all for physical punishment. Sometimes kids only respond to such things. However, there is a difference between spanking and beating. Everyone understands that concept. So parents take it too far, that's a fact. When you see some parent holding their child by the wrist, repeatedly slapping the kid...while dragging him across the parking lot back to the car...is wrong. That's just too extreme.
But it raises the question of where is the line crossed? I would say it has more to do with where the parent is coming from when he/she dishes out the punishment. If the parent is just fed up and actually physically hurting the child out of anger, then it is no longer about teaching the child a lesson, so much as it serves as an outlet for the parents frustration and anger.
On another note, I'd be interested to see the public reaction to certain other groups spanking their children in public. Whatwould happen if two men were raising the child in a loving home that just so happened tro subscribe to spanking as a form of punishment. How many people would correlate spanking to sexual abuse in the case of a gay parent?