Originally posted by Nataku8188
All you've shown is THANOS was inferior to HOTU with Infinity Gauntlet. Like I said, both are just limitless energy, how are they not equal?I said that the IG is equal in power to the HOTU, because both have limitless power.
Thanos w/ IG:
- wiped out half universe population with thought.
- defeated Galactus, Stranger, Celestials, Chaos, Order, etc.
- then beat up Eternity
Adam Warock w/ IG:
- fast fowarded time with a thought
- separated himself into three beings
- wrecked Eternity, Galactus, Stranger, Celestials, Chaos, Order, etc. with the wave of the IG - WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LT.
Both Thanos and Warlock are comparable in feats with the IG. Neither is the better. If there was an edge in power, it be Warlock. Why? Warlock was the weilder of the Soul gem long before the other gems showed up. He used the Soul gem to take control of the other five. He was able to hide from the IG and mount an assault to take the IG.
Anyways, Warlock wrecked everyone with the IG during the trial...except LT. LT wasn't even affected by Warlock's outburst of rage on the idea of putting him on trial. With the snap of his finger, LT restored order and stopped Warlock's attack on everyone in the court, which shocked Adam.
Heck, it was LT ruled against the gems working in unison. Magus had to set up events to get LT to reverse his verdict and allow the gems to work in unison. LT > IG.
Thanos with the HOTU played with LT and then absorbed him. LT had no power over Thanos.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Thanos w/ IG:- wiped out half universe population with thought.
- defeated Galactus, Stranger, Celestials, Chaos, Order, etc.
- then beat up EternityAdam Warock w/ IG:
- fast fowarded time with a thought
- separated himself into three beings
- wrecked Eternity, Galactus, Stranger, Celestials, Chaos, Order, etc. with the wave of the IG - WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LT.Both Thanos and Warlock are comparable in feats with the IG. Neither is the better. If there was an edge in power, it be Warlock. Why? Warlock was the weilder of the Soul gem long before the other gems showed up. He used the Soul gem to take control of the other five. He was able to hide from the IG and mount an assault to take the IG.
Anyways, Warlock wrecked everyone with the IG during the trial...except LT. LT wasn't even affected the Warlock's outburst of rage on the idea of putting him on trial. With the snap of his finger, LT restored order and stopped Warlock's attack, which shocked Adam.
Heck, it was LT ruled against the gems working in unison. Magus had to set up events to get LT to reverse his verdict and allow the gems to work in unison. LT > IG.
Thanos with the HOTU played with LT and then absorbed him. LT had no power over Thanos.
Nataku is stupid. He didn't understand anything you just posted.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Thanos w/ IG:- wiped out half universe population with thought.
- defeated Galactus, Stranger, Celestials, Chaos, Order, etc.
- then beat up EternityAdam Warock w/ IG:
- fast fowarded time with a thought
- separated himself into three beings
- wrecked Eternity, Galactus, Stranger, Celestials, Chaos, Order, etc. with the wave of the IG - WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LT.Both Thanos and Warlock are comparable in feats with the IG. Neither is the better. If there was an edge in power, it be Warlock. Why? Warlock was the weilder of the Soul gem long before the other gems showed up. He used the Soul gem to take control of the other five. He was able to hide from the IG and mount an assault to take the IG.
Anyways, Warlock wrecked everyone with the IG during the trial...except LT. LT wasn't even affected by Warlock's outburst of rage on the idea of putting him on trial. With the snap of his finger, LT restored order and stopped Warlock's attack on everyone in the court, which shocked Adam.
Heck, it was LT ruled against the gems working in unison. Magus had to set up events to get LT to reverse his verdict and allow the gems to work in unison. LT > IG.
Thanos with the HOTU played with LT and then absorbed him. LT had no power over Thanos.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Thanos w/ IG:- wiped out half universe population with thought.
- defeated Galactus, Stranger, Celestials, Chaos, Order, etc.
- then beat up EternityAdam Warock w/ IG:
- fast fowarded time with a thought
- separated himself into three beings
- wrecked Eternity, Galactus, Stranger, Celestials, Chaos, Order, etc. with the wave of the IG - WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LT.Both Thanos and Warlock are comparable in feats with the IG. Neither is the better. If there was an edge in power, it be Warlock. Why? Warlock was the weilder of the Soul gem long before the other gems showed up. He used the Soul gem to take control of the other five. He was able to hide from the IG and mount an assault to take the IG.
Anyways, Warlock wrecked everyone with the IG during the trial...except LT. LT wasn't even affected by Warlock's outburst of rage on the idea of putting him on trial. With the snap of his finger, LT restored order and stopped Warlock's attack on everyone in the court, which shocked Adam.
Heck, it was LT ruled against the gems working in unison. Magus had to set up events to get LT to reverse his verdict and allow the gems to work in unison. LT > IG.
Thanos with the HOTU played with LT and then absorbed him. LT had no power over Thanos.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Thanos w/ IG:- wiped out half universe population with thought.
- defeated Galactus, Stranger, Celestials, Chaos, Order, etc.
- then beat up EternityAdam Warock w/ IG:
- fast fowarded time with a thought
- separated himself into three beings
- wrecked Eternity, Galactus, Stranger, Celestials, Chaos, Order, etc. with the wave of the IG - WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LT.Both Thanos and Warlock are comparable in feats with the IG. Neither is the better. If there was an edge in power, it be Warlock. Why? Warlock was the weilder of the Soul gem long before the other gems showed up. He used the Soul gem to take control of the other five. He was able to hide from the IG and mount an assault to take the IG.
Anyways, Warlock wrecked everyone with the IG during the trial...except LT. LT wasn't even affected by Warlock's outburst of rage on the idea of putting him on trial. With the snap of his finger, LT restored order and stopped Warlock's attack on everyone in the court, which shocked Adam.
Heck, it was LT ruled against the gems working in unison. Magus had to set up events to get LT to reverse his verdict and allow the gems to work in unison. LT > IG.
Thanos with the HOTU played with LT and then absorbed him. LT had no power over Thanos.
Not to be picky, but Thanos also warped through time and seperated himself into seperate beings with the IG in SS 44.
The thing is, IG has shown to have more applications based on the user's skill, correct?
Now, if both the HOTU and the IG are based on the principle of unlimited energy, how is the HOTU more powerful? Not more versatile, we've gone over that. But really, if the people wielding the IG were complete masters of it, would they not have limitless power? This is all I'm arguing. I know Warlock got owned by LT, and Thanos most likely would've, but if they had complete understanding and mastery of the gauntlet, could they not do like Thanos did with the HOTU?
Cosmic, yer just too stupid to understand WHAT I'm trying to figure out here :-p
The thing is, IG has shown to have more applications based on the user's skill, correct?Now, if both the HOTU and the IG are based on the principle of unlimited energy, how is the HOTU more powerful? Not more versatile, we've gone over that. But really, if the people wielding the IG were complete masters of it, would they not have limitless power? This is all I'm arguing. I know Warlock got owned by LT, and Thanos most likely would've, but if they had complete understanding and mastery of the gauntlet, could they not do like Thanos did with the HOTU?
Bah, in comics, everything and everybody has 'limitless', 'infinite' power.
It's a complete copout to say that because X can't do it, it's because he lacks skill.
Heck if you want to argue limitless , infinity power, why don't you argue that with infinity power you can do anything even without skill. After all who needs skill if you have INFINITE power 🙂
Still I agree, sometimes the the comics will mention the owners of IG are adjusting to the power etc. But otherwise ....
The only thing we can see is IG has a lot more limitations than HOTU, so IG is less powerful. Talking about skill, is just distracting the issue.
Originally posted by Richrf
Bah, in comics, everything and everybody has 'limitless', 'infinite' power.It's a complete copout to say that because X can't do it, it's because he lacks skill.
Heck if you want to argue limitless , infinity power, why don't you argue that with infinity power you can do anything even without skill. After all who needs skill if you have INFINITE power 🙂
Still I agree, sometimes the the comics will mention the owners of IG are adjusting to the power etc. But otherwise ....
The only thing we can see is IG has a lot more limitations than HOTU, so IG is less powerful. Talking about skill, is just distracting the issue.
I've seen Thanos take the gems from the elders, then use them much more effectively. Thus, I'm sure skill is a huge part in the use of the infinity gauntler.
It's not skill. It's knowing what they are. The Elders didn't know.
Besides I'm not sure if Thantos uses each one indidivually better than the Elders.
He took them from the elders yes, but because
1) He tricked them (for the champion)
2) They didn't know what they had
3) By the time he faced the Grandmaster he has so many Gems compared to merely one.
I believe that the Gems can be used more effectively yes, but that is due to imagination to decide what to do. But anything the holder of the IG wants he can do , skill makes no difference. The only problem is some users are less imaginative.
LT's ruling against IG was a simple case. Anyone would use the power of IG to defy LT's ruling. Wishing is all it took. Skill is not a factor.
LT = The Living Tribunal is above all other forces in the Universe. The Marvel Universe is really a multiverse, a limitless connection of alternate universes connected to the main one. He trancends every single force in every single one, exists on every dimension at the same time in each as well as actually existing in every single universe in the multiverse at the same time. Tthat is he has no "alternate" selves like all other beings in the multiverse, there is only one. He is the only being that "actually" can destroy a universe if he judges it threatens the balance of the others.
Also he has stated his power comes from "on high" and also stated that he represented forces that dwarf the might of the Infinity Gauntlet, which he backed up by being totally uneffected by its power when it destroyed Eternity, Lord Chaos and Master Order away as if they where insects, not to mention he had the power to cancel the Gauntlets effects out with a single snap of the finger and ordered that they never work together again in this universe.
Originally posted by supremthor
LT = The Living Tribunal is above all other forces in the Universe. The Marvel Universe is really a multiverse, a limitless connection of alternate universes connected to the main one. He trancends every single force in every single one, exists on every dimension at the same time in each as well as actually existing in every single universe in the multiverse at the same time. Tthat is he has no "alternate" selves like all other beings in the multiverse, there is only one. He is the only being that "actually" can destroy a universe if he judges it threatens the balance of the others.Also he has stated his power comes from "on high" and also stated that he represented forces that dwarf the might of the Infinity Gauntlet, which he backed up by being totally uneffected by its power when it destroyed Eternity, Lord Chaos and Master Order away as if they where insects, not to mention he had the power to cancel the Gauntlets effects out with a single snap of the finger and ordered that they never work together again in this universe.
True he's the most powerful force in the multiverse for the majority of the time except when the phoenix of the white crown is manifested into creation and/or someone is tapping into HOTU
ER. HOTU absorbed him? So is HOTU one of the kind too? Like LT?
Yet the way The End was shown, it seems (arguable) that HOTU gave only the power of only one universe.
It was stated the difference between the 2 was that HOTU made the holder one with the universe, while IG was merely external control.
But it didn't mention if it gave him power over multiuniverse... sigh..
But yet Thanos defeated LT who is supposed to be beyond any single universe, his purpose is in fact to judge universes and to close them down if they endanger the multiunieverse!
Speculation
Thanos speculated that he was actually tricked into gaining the HOTU for some purpose. So maybe, LT was ordered to lose or caused to lose by the almighty.
LT has pretended to lose before in the past after all.
Nah dumb theory.