You're partially correct.
Manipulation not power though, is just plain wrong.
Manipulation is what Sidious did, notice how he SURROUNDED HIMSELF with powerful individuals, and wiped out his main threat (the Jedi).
What did Ragnos do? He ruled for LONGER than Sidious did, while surrounded by the height of the Sith Empire. You'd think that after all that time, the great Empire of the Sith would produce someone that could knock Ragnos off, right? Never happened.
As for fear not being justified. What figures that his fear WASN'T justified?
You seem to hold a bias against him because you love Revan, or because his "spirit got owned by an average Jedi".
How does hundreds if not thousands of Jedi mean killing a Sith Magician is no big deal?
What does a Sith Magician, in this case Simus, have to do with the thousands of Jedi Revan killed? NOTHING.
That's like saying "Anakin killed dozens of younglings, he must be more powerful than Yoda."
The younglings don't necessary stack up to Yoda, in fact, we KNOW they don't stack up to Yoda.
Simus was considered the most powerful of his time, and he trained Sadow, likely being the source of where Sadow learned to hurl stars. Simus could keep his head alive in a jar by Sith Magic, and prolonging life is a legendary ability only a few Sith, if any, have.
Basically, you're using argument of ignorance simply because you have nothing better to add. That's both logical fallacy and not necessarily true.
Originally posted by Illustrious
You're partially correct.Manipulation not power though, is just plain wrong.
Manipulation is what Sidious did, notice how he SURROUNDED HIMSELF with powerful individuals, and wiped out his main threat (the Jedi).
What did Ragnos do? He ruled for LONGER than Sidious did, while surrounded by the height of the Sith Empire. You'd think that after all that time, the great Empire of the Sith would produce someone that could knock Ragnos off, right? Never happened.
As for fear not being justified. What figures that his fear WASN'T justified?
You seem to hold a bias against him because you love Revan, or because his "spirit got owned by an average Jedi".
How does hundreds if not thousands of Jedi mean killing a Sith Magician is no big deal?
What does a Sith Magician, in this case Simus, have to do with the thousands of Jedi Revan killed? NOTHING.
That's like saying "Anakin killed dozens of younglings, he must be more powerful than Yoda."
The younglings don't necessary stack up to Yoda, in fact, we KNOW they don't stack up to Yoda.
Simus was considered the most powerful of his time, and he trained Sadow, likely being the source of where Sadow learned to hurl stars. Simus could keep his head alive in a jar by Sith Magic, and prolonging life is a legendary ability only a few Sith, if any, have.
Basically, you're using argument of ignorance simply because you have nothing better to add. That's both logical fallacy and not necessarily true.
If he went unchallenged because those who could were to busy fighting each other because of his manipulation does it truly say anything about his power, in fact his having to manipulate others to fight each other shows that he was doubtful he could win. Manipulating others into fighting each other or into not fighting you isn't a sign of power it's a sign of cowardice. If you wonder where I got such info I can give you a couple websites all I need to do is remember them lol.
As for my jedi killing arguement you obviously have no clue what I said, If Revan can take tons of jedi/sith knights what challenge would a single sith magician be? so he extended his natural life big deal even the crappiest jedi can enter themselves into a healing trance which will repair damage done by among other things aging. Sadow was ragnos's pupil not simus's and the only reason he could do what he did was through a sceptre filled with sith magics not by any power of his own.
As for his long rule going "unchallenged" it's pretty easy to go unchallenged when everyone who could put up a fight to you is killing one another instead because you're a lying manipulative SOB. what shows that the fear wasn't justified is that ragnos never fought anyone himself he merely manipulated them into fighting someone else who was stronger. He's no better then sidious he fought once in his life against someone who didn't even have the force and he's hailed as a God around here, why? is it because he outsmarted some sith? is it because someone powerful was afraid of him, many people around the world are afraid of george bush not because of his skill in battle but because of the ressources at his disposal because of what he has at his back. If ragnos could manipulate the sith empire into following him then what would be the point of attacking him if he has the entire empire at his back? he could merely find out about it before hand and have said individual executed as a traitor. The sith probably weren't afraid of ragnos as much as they were of the ressources at his disposal.
Think of it this way, were the solidiers of the empire truly afraid of palpatine himself and that's why they didn't rebel, nope a single victory class star destroyer has more then enough firepower to deal with him, they were afraid of what he represented not who he was, the hundreds of thousands of ships, the death stars and other super weapons and the millions upon millions of solidiers he was just a face to the power which he assumed not through combat prowness but through manipulation. Ragnos after defeating one magician kept his office through manipulation not through any battle skill, he didn't unite the sith through conquest if he supposedly went unchallenged so that leaves manipulations and diplomacy. Once that was done who would dare challenge the might of the entire sith empire the most powerful dynasty in the galaxy at that time? Like the emperor I don't beleive they were afraid of ragnos as much as the empire he represented.
Oh and where other then wikipedia (which is full of crap) did you see that ragnos went unchallenged.
Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
If he went unchallenged because those who could were to busy fighting each other because of his manipulation does it truly say anything about his power, in fact his having to manipulate others to fight each other shows that he was doubtful he could win. Manipulating others into fighting each other or into not fighting you isn't a sign of power it's a sign of cowardice. If you wonder where I got such info I can give you a couple websites all I need to do is remember them lol.
Please. You should read more about Ragnos motivation. He didn't fear getting killed. He feared that the other Sith Lords (there were at least 20 of them in the council below the Dark Lord) would take their own forces and attack the republic space. So he manipulated them into attacking each other and attack him. And why shouldn't they attack him ? That would be like every Jedi in the PT wants to be chancelor and Sidious would be able to make them attack each other instead of attacking him. Really. If Ragnos was able to manipulate them into fighting each other instead of fighting him they must have feared him even in the beginning of his reign.
As for my jedi killing arguement you obviously have no clue what I said, If Revan can take tons of jedi/sith knights what challenge would a single sith magician be? so he extended his natural life big deal even the crappiest jedi can enter themselves into a healing trance which will repair damage done by among other things aging. Sadow was ragnos's pupil not simus's and the only reason he could do what he did was through a sceptre filled with sith magics not by any power of his own.
a)
Even Atton was able to kill dozens of Jedi. That proves what exactly ? The Handmaiden nearly killed Atris. The Exile could waste 4 Sith Knights at once (if you let all the masters in KotoR live and then go darkside on Dantooine you can kill all three masters left AT ONCE) Hell...Sidious killed 3 Jedi Masters in 5 seconds. What does that proof at all ? Nothing.
b)
Simus got his goddamn head cut off by Ragnos. Did you ever see any Jedi stay alive after something like that ?
c)
Sadow was Simus pupel before Ragnos killed Simus.
d)
Ragnos sceptre was only invented for that f*cking game in which we can see a single Jedi Knight that was a padawan a week earlier destroying an entire army of dark siders + the spirit of Ragnos.
As for his long rule going "unchallenged" it's pretty easy to go unchallenged when everyone who could put up a fight to you is killing one another instead because you're a lying manipulative SOB. what shows that the fear wasn't justified is that ragnos never fought anyone himself he merely manipulated them into fighting someone else who was stronger.
See above.
He's no better then sidious he fought once in his life against someone who didn't even have the force and he's hailed as a God around here, why? is it because he outsmarted some sith? is it because someone powerful was afraid of him, many people around the world are afraid of george bush not because of his skill in battle but because of the ressources at his disposal because of what he has at his back. If ragnos could manipulate the sith empire into following him then what would be the point of attacking him if he has the entire empire at his back? he could merely find out about it before hand and have said individual executed as a traitor. The sith probably weren't afraid of ragnos as much as they were of the ressources at his disposal.
Hell...
Ragnos only commanded the council of Sith Lords (as I said 20 people) around while they all had their own resources and troops. It's like me having the control over 20 generals and each of them having the control over an entire army.
None of them ever tried to challenge Ragnos in an empire in which the strongest one will rule. That only tells you that none of them believed he could take Ragnos. And I'm talking about a duel.
Then Ragnos defeated Simus. And Simus was known to be the most powerful Sith magician in that time. Just to tell you that: It was Sith Magic that Sadow used to blow up stars it was Sith magic Exar Kun used to freeze the entire Senate (including serveral Jedi) and "Sith Lightning" is also Sith magic. Now Simus was more powerful than Sadow and Kun and Ragnos killed him. That is not impressive ? Oh...what is than ?
Not to mention that Ragnos lived in an enviroment in which civil wars and duels were normal events. To tell he never participated in any duels or wars before he took the title of the Dark Lord is simply out of any logic.
And if they only feared Ragnos because of his resources you can surely tell me why people like Sadow, Kressh, Exar Kun and Ulic Quel-Droma were even afraid of Ragnos SPIRIT ?
Think of it this way, were the solidiers of the empire truly afraid of palpatine himself and that's why they didn't rebel, nope a single victory class star destroyer has more then enough firepower to deal with him, they were afraid of what he represented not who he was, the hundreds of thousands of ships, the death stars and other super weapons and the millions upon millions of solidiers he was just a face to the power which he assumed not through combat prowness but through manipulation. Ragnos after defeating one magician kept his office through manipulation not through any battle skill, he didn't unite the sith through conquest if he supposedly went unchallenged so that leaves manipulations and diplomacy. Once that was done who would dare challenge the might of the entire sith empire the most powerful dynasty in the galaxy at that time? Like the emperor I don't beleive they were afraid of ragnos as much as the empire he represented.
You know that there were Rebellions against Palpatine. One was initiated by one of Palpatines grand-admirals (stoped by Thrawn) and another Rebellion - the Rebellion - led to the fall of Sidious Empire. Sidious was challenged despite of all the resources he had. Ragnos wasn't. Now...what does that tell you ?
And Sidious was only able to survive as Emperor for 23 years in a galaxy filled with scared and peaceful beings while Ragnos survived as Dark Lord for more than a century in an Empire filled with badass force users that all wanted to get his title.
Just again for that manipulation stuff: How you manipulate people into not doing things and following rules that are the basement of their 25,000 year old culture ?
Oh and where other then wikipedia (which is full of crap) did you see that ragnos went unchallenged.
That is just logic. Kressh and Sadow were the only two people who dared to take the title as a dark lord after Ragnos died. So either Ragnos defeated all people that challenged him or nobody dared to challenge him. Is that important ?
If he went unchallenged because those who could were to busy fighting each other because of his manipulation does it truly say anything about his power, in fact his having to manipulate others to fight each other shows that he was doubtful he could win. Manipulating others into fighting each other or into not fighting you isn't a sign of power it's a sign of cowardice. If you wonder where I got such info I can give you a couple websites all I need to do is remember them lol.
You have to understand the circumstances. This isn't like Sidious.
Sidious had 1 Sith Lord to worry about, he had practically no Jedi, and was surrounded by a horde of loyal individuals that wielded great political and technological power. Ragnos was surrounded by dozens of Sith Warriors on Korriban, at any given time, he could be stabbed in the back. But no one dared to do that, and if they did, he fought them off. That's a pretty simple assessment.
As for my jedi killing arguement you obviously have no clue what I said, If Revan can take tons of jedi/sith knights what challenge would a single sith magician be?
That's silly. "Anakin can kill a bunch of younglings; what challenge would Obi-Wan be?"
When that "Sith Magician" is Simus, and considered the most powerful of the Sith at the HEIGHT OF THE SITH Empire, he obviously would be pretty powerful. Take the Jedi Order at its peak, and find the most powerful member of it, and I'll bet you he/she is pretty strong, got it?
Simus taught Sadow, and Sadow was a not to shabby Dark Lord himself, and he was scared by Ragnos. Ragnos beat Simus and Simus had to keep his head in a jar. He was so immersed in Sith Magic, he could live with just a head in a jar. How many people do YOU know that can survive after decapitation.
As for his long rule going "unchallenged" it's pretty easy to go unchallenged when everyone who could put up a fight to you is killing one another instead because you're a lying manipulative SOB.
You're being silly. The Sith Empire has a policy of the strongest will rule. He surrounded himself with talented individuals. Be it the council, Sadow, or Kressh, he could have been attacked at practically any time. He didn't build himself a Death Star and handpick a few followers like a certain Dark Lord did. If he could manipulate all the Sith in the Empire to not attack him, I'd bet he could manipulate Revan into not attacking him. You're grossly underrating the difficulty of being a Dark Lord at the height of the Sith Empire, hence why NO ONE ELSE has done it.
As for his long rule going "unchallenged" it's pretty easy to go unchallenged when everyone who could put up a fight to you is killing one another instead because you're a lying manipulative SOB.
*Cough* Argument of Ignorance *cough*.
This is the one thing I've never failed to see a Revan fanboy say: "We don't know if Ragnos fought anyone else, therefore he DID NOT!"
Did Yoda not fight much in his long life, if we go by the movies, we only know he fought 2 times, once against Dooku and once against Sidious. If you add a bit of EU, you could say he sparred against Mace and fought a Dark Jedi on Dagobah. Does that mean he DIDN'T fight?
Ragnos information is scarce, but he lived for over a century at the height of an empire that was torn apart after his death because of the void he left. If you believe there is no one that will attack you, you're very naive, and probably wouldn't last long as Dark Lord yourself 😉.
He's no better then sidious he fought once in his life against someone who didn't even have the force and he's hailed as a God around here, why?
Who did he fight once in his life that didn't "even have the force".
why? is it because he outsmarted some sith? is it because someone powerful was afraid of him, many people around the world are afraid of george bush not because of his skill in battle but because of the ressources at his disposal because of what he has at his back.
This just exemplifies ignorance.
George Bush has the ability to fight any nation in the world, he has a more powerful military and more nuclear weapons than practically anyone. People fear him because of his power.
However, in the Sith Empire, you fight with SWORDS, you attack each other with the force and your dueling abilities. People would naturally fear Ragnos because of his power, in what? The force and his dueling ability.
If ragnos could manipulate the sith empire into following him then what would be the point of attacking him if he has the entire empire at his back? he could merely find out about it before hand and have said individual executed as a traitor. The sith probably weren't afraid of ragnos as much as they were of the ressources at his disposal.
Yet somehow, the same logic doesn't apply to any other Sith. Interesting you'd mention that. Thanks for letting us all know that you're willing to concede he's the greatest manipulator ever just so you don't have to admit he may be greater than your favorite character.
Oh, it doesn't matter that he's described as having immense physical strength and an incredible grasp on the force, he's a manipulator, not a fighter, right?
Oh it doesn't matter he fought to grab the thrown and then protected it for over a century, he must have had everyone else fight everyone else, and never had anyone attack him, right? Wow, he pulled a fast one over the entire Sith Empire.
Think of it this way, were the solidiers of the empire truly afraid of palpatine himself and that's why they didn't rebel, nope a single victory class star destroyer has more then enough firepower to deal with him, they were afraid of what he represented not who he was, the hundreds of thousands of ships, the death stars and other super weapons and the millions upon millions of solidiers he was just a face to the power which he assumed not through combat prowness but through manipulation.
By that moniker, everyone's afraid of what they represent. The Republic wasn't afraid of Revan, but rather what he represented. The Republic wasn't afraid of Kun, it was what he represented. They weren't afraid of the Sith at the Battle of Ruusan, it was what they represented, right? Pssh.
You have to EARN fear, just like you have to EARN respect.
Ragnos after defeating one magician kept his office through manipulation not through any battle skill, he didn't unite the sith through conquest if he supposedly went unchallenged so that leaves manipulations and diplomacy.
Again, argument in ignorance.
You don't know who Ragnos fought, so that means Ragnos didn't fight. A great point for those people who want to claim individuals were stronger than Ragnos, but one that hardly works.
And Sidious was only able to survive as Emperor for 23 years in a galaxy filled with scared and peaceful beings while Ragnos survived as Dark Lord for more than a century in an Empire filled with badass force users that all wanted to get his title.
EXACTLY.
How are you comparing Sidious to Ragnos? Ragnos existed on a scale FAR larger than Sidious. Sidious didn't have to worry about force users that can blow up stars and planets on his way to the Kwik-E-Mart.
Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Please. You should read more about Ragnos motivation. He didn't fear getting killed. He feared that the other Sith Lords (there were at least 20 of them in the council below the Dark Lord) would take their own forces and attack the republic space. So he manipulated them into attacking each other [b]and attack him. And why shouldn't they attack him ? That would be like every Jedi in the PT wants to be chancelor and Sidious would be able to make them attack each other instead of attacking him. Really. If Ragnos was able to manipulate them into fighting each other instead of fighting him they must have feared him even in the beginning of his reign.a)
Even Atton was able to kill dozens of Jedi. That proves what exactly ? The Handmaiden nearly killed Atris. The Exile could waste 4 Sith Knights at once (if you let all the masters in KotoR live and then go darkside on Dantooine you can kill all three masters left AT ONCE) Hell...Sidious killed 3 Jedi Masters in 5 seconds. What does that proof at all ? Nothing.b)
Simus got his goddamn head cut off by Ragnos. Did you ever see any Jedi stay alive after something like that ?c)
Sadow was Simus pupel before Ragnos killed Simus.d)
Ragnos sceptre was only invented for that f*cking game in which we can see a single Jedi Knight that was a padawan a week earlier destroying an entire army of dark siders + the spirit of Ragnos.See above.
Hell...
Ragnos only commanded the council of Sith Lords (as I said 20 people) around while they all had their own resources and troops. It's like me having the control over 20 generals and each of them having the control over an entire army.
None of them ever tried to challenge Ragnos in an empire in which the strongest one will rule. That only tells you that none of them believed he could take Ragnos. And I'm talking about a duel.Then Ragnos defeated Simus. And Simus was known to be the most powerful Sith magician in that time. Just to tell you that: It was Sith Magic that Sadow used to blow up stars it was Sith magic Exar Kun used to freeze the entire Senate (including serveral Jedi) and "Sith Lightning" is also Sith magic. Now Simus was more powerful than Sadow and Kun and Ragnos killed him. That is not impressive ? Oh...what is than ?
Not to mention that Ragnos lived in an enviroment in which civil wars and duels were normal events. To tell he never participated in any duels or wars before he took the title of the Dark Lord is simply out of any logic.And if they only feared Ragnos because of his resources you can surely tell me why people like Sadow, Kressh, Exar Kun and Ulic Quel-Droma were even afraid of Ragnos SPIRIT ?
You know that there were Rebellions against Palpatine. One was initiated by one of Palpatines grand-admirals (stoped by Thrawn) and another Rebellion - the Rebellion - led to the fall of Sidious Empire. Sidious was challenged despite of all the resources he had. Ragnos wasn't. Now...what does that tell you ?
And Sidious was only able to survive as Emperor for 23 years in a galaxy filled with scared and peaceful beings while Ragnos survived as Dark Lord for more than a century in an Empire filled with badass force users that all wanted to get his title.
Just again for that manipulation stuff: How you manipulate people into not doing things and following rules that are the basement of their 25,000 year old culture ?
That is just logic. Kressh and Sadow were the only two people who dared to take the title as a dark lord after Ragnos died. So either Ragnos defeated all people that challenged him or nobody dared to challenge him. Is that important ? [/B]
Please tell me where you got your info on ragnos because I find it interesting however,
Sidious manipulated the entire republic and jedi order who were actually looking for a sith threat at the time to fight the only other force that would cause him any grief (the cis) as well as the jedi. What says that ragnos couldn't have done something similiar. You say that he manipulated others into fighting him yet you also say that he went unchallenged your contradicting yourself did he or did he not go unvhallenged during his reign, if he did then it was because he was a manipulative bastard because if the sith wanted him out they could have banded together with their forces and taken him, or had him assasinated, or started some form of rebellion. If Palpatine's empire was so much insanely more powerful then Ragnos's (which it was) and it went challenged by a force much smaller then it then logically one insanely powerful sith lord would try at one point or another unless he was being manipulated not to which as said before would be cowardice.
Or he was challenged which shows that he wasn't that feared and was beleived that he could be beaten. Even if he did manipulate others into fighting him then he would only manipulate those weaker then he was into fighting him and as he never manipulated sadow or kresh knowing they both wanted to take on the republic that leads me to one of two conclusions
1. He was weaker then they were despite them being his apprentices and he was manipulating them to keep them from fighting him.
2.he manipulated them to serve him because he was scared if there was a revolt of some form he'd be screwed.
He may have manipulated a council of twenty sith lords, just because they didn't beleive they could doesn't mean they couldn't have been manipulated i.e too busy fighting each other or ragnos kept them under his control for one of the above two reasons.
As for your point about the sceptre not only did you prove my point about the weakness of ragnos (even if the game was dumb it was part of eu and is considered cannon here) as he gets owned it also shows that his sceptre was the only way his apprentices could do what they did which means they're not as great as they're all made out to be here including ragnos.
As for the duels, we don't know but going by ragnos's manipulative nature he could have weaseled his way out and we also don't know the caliber of those he fought except for simus so that's pretty much null.
Finally we come to simus. so he was powerful, the power of the force is still greater and it's called force lightning for a reason they may have used magic at the time but the force is ultimatley greater. Even considering that simus was a powerful magician how do we know if he was a great duelist or not what do we know about his saber skills...jack all so we can't really know if he was that good. Revan defeated malak who was drawing on the greatest artifact of a darkside/drawing on a sun for power.
The only place we know anything about ragnos is force powers and he didn't have nearly the ressources Revan did and Revan learned everything possible from those ressources.
Illustrious:
half of that post was hypocritical the other half just plain wrong.
You along with the rest of the ragnos lovers have been saying that ragnos went unchallenged for nearly a centruy and then you complain to me when i use that to my advantage, then you top it all off by saying how he was surrounded by sith at all times who could've stabbed him in the back but didn't so obviously the strongest didn't rule if Ragnos could have been so easily killed right? So if they refused to challenge him and they're the only ones that possibly could wouldn't that mean that he didn't fight anyone? please try to use logic.
And what I was saying was that because he has the ressources of the sith empire at his back they weren't as much afraid of him as they were afraid of the army of force users and solidiers at his back, if someone has twenty armies of sith behind him then you don't attack him they were probably more worried about his thousands of solidiers then ragnos as an individual. As for my george bush statement people aren't afraid of geaorge bush once so ever they're afraid of the armies at his back just like with ragnos, if the sith wanted him gone they would have at least tried.
Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
Finally we come to simus. so he was powerful, the power of the force is still greater and it's called force lightning for a reason they may have used magic at the time but the force is ultimatley greater. Even considering that simus was a powerful magician how do we know if he was a great duelist or not what do we know about his saber skills...jack all so we can't really know if he was that good. Revan defeated malak who was drawing on the greatest artifact of a darkside/drawing on a sun for power.The only place we know anything about ragnos is force powers and he didn't have nearly the ressources Revan did and Revan learned everything possible from those ressources.
I am just going to talk about this, the rest of I don't have time for right now.
You have made several false assuptions. The first one is that Sith Magic and force lightning are different things. They are one and the same, I assure you. They are two different forms of the same thing. There are different techniques used for each, but they draw power from the same energy.
The Star Forge is not the greatest artifact of the darkside. Drawing on a star for power idsn't that great. Sadow was able to destroy a star by waving his hands. If you read the comic, he literaly waves his hands and then the star is destroyed.
All Malak was getting from the Star Forge was force immunity. He got the extra energy from the captured Jedi, Corran Horn could do the same thing in theory.
All though it can't be completly explained in accordance with the rest of SW, we can make a theory on how Ragnos lost to Jaden.
As a SPIRIT, he was doing the following things; powering an army of force users, attempthing to regenerate his body, and using the body of a regular person.
It is gerenally thought that spirits lose their power over time. Ragnos was 5000 years old by now. Pretty much no one else could survive this long. Like stated above, he powered an army of force users comparable to Luke's entire Academy.
He was forced to use the body of a weak Cult Member. Her body probably breaking down because of the energy imput. It killed her in only a few minutes. It like having an ocean of power, but only having a McDonald's straw to use the power with.
You along with the rest of the ragnos lovers have been saying that ragnos went unchallenged for nearly a centruy and then you complain to me when i use that to my advantage, then you top it all off by saying how he was surrounded by sith at all times who could've stabbed him in the back but didn't so obviously the strongest didn't rule if Ragnos could have been so easily killed right? So if they refused to challenge him and they're the only ones that possibly could wouldn't that mean that he didn't fight anyone? please try to use logic.
When did I ever say this? I said he was surrounded by the height of the Sith Empire. It was far likely than not that a challenger would come for the throne. Because regardless of anything else, the one thing a Sith wants most is to be the Dark Lord. I'm saying you're ASSUMING that Ragnos didn't fight anyone because you didn't know he fought anyone. That's BS.
And what I was saying was that because he has the ressources of the sith empire at his back they weren't as much afraid of him as they were afraid of the army of force users and solidiers at his back, if someone has twenty armies of sith behind him then you don't attack him they were probably more worried about his thousands of solidiers then ragnos as an individual. As for my george bush statement people aren't afraid of geaorge bush once so ever they're afraid of the armies at his back just like with ragnos, if the sith wanted him gone they would have at least tried.
It's simple. In an army, you have X number of people pointed towards ONE goal. In the Sith Empire, you have X number of people all having selfish intentions. There's a LOT of differences between an army and the Sith Empire. Hell, even if we were to take your army analogy, there has been plenty of political leaders that were deposed by their army generals.
so he was powerful, the power of the force is still greater and it's called force lightning for a reason they may have used magic at the time but the force is ultimatley greater.
How did he become more powerful than all the Sith force users than? Because he had magic. Magic is what Kun used with the amulets, its what Sadow used to blow up stars. Sith Magic and force are practically one and the same, you still need to be force sensitive to use the occult "magic".
It's been repeatedly said in this thread and in others, "Ragnos was so powerful that in a time of ancient sith lords no one dared challenge him." Many many many times it's probably been said more then anything else on this forum.
As for the empire he manipulated them into serving him the forces at his command were either being manipulated or supported ragnos and would assist him in a war both scenarios don't say much for him. As you said many armies have made coups on their political leaders, if they wanted to get rid of him they would have launched a coup and the only reason they wouldn't want to is if they were too busy worrying about each other or being manipulated not to, there's twenty sith lords with freakin armies that could attack ragnos that's more then enough to take him.