Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Hmm... interesting. It still sounds like he was fighting them en masse storm. He held all of them back for a while? Thats still impressive if both Hulk and Thor were there. Thats a lot of diverse power to contain, if even for a while.
What? Infinity War. Thanos take on Thor, Hulk, Herc, and Thing. He's taken on Thor and Thing before his power up.
Also, Thor wasn't even at full power during the Onslaught saga. Dr. Strange wasn't in the frey either. Nor was Silver Surfer.
Thanos 6-7/10.
As for the group of superheroes, please list the characters, not just team names. Who was actually involved in attacking Onslaught.
I'll bet Thanos could pull off the same feat as Onslaught...if people listed the heroes instead of just ambigously naming groups.
Originally posted by Lord S
And what exactly is his 'own power'?You seem to think that Onslaught's own power is just an amalgamation of Xavier and Magneto, when in fact his own power was constantly evolving.
The Onslaught entitly itself was merely a little demon-lookin creature growing inside the chest of Magneto.
He was a being that made himself by siphoning the powers of others...and any powers he siphoned, fully or partially, have to be considered as his own. He didn't need any host to survive by the time he totally drained them. He was slowly taking over Franklin, and had he been given more time, he would have totally drained him and tossed him aside. By partially draining Franklin, he was able to create a second sun...and I consider that as being 'under his own power'.
Another problem for Thanos.
Originally posted by apoc001
guys, guys... even if Thanos IS stronger how's he gonna survive a psychic attack from an infintly powerful telepath?
Thing was hitting Onslaught - who at that time wasn't half as strong as he would be later - with everything he had, and Onslaught didn't even feel it.
Originally posted by Lord S
Especially considering that Thanos himself is a mutant...
...Eternal Titan. He's as far off from mutant as Asgardians are. He's an Eternal Titan first and a mutant second. Both his parents are Eternals; there biology is different from humans. We don't know what extent or even any control Onslaught has over mutants of a different species, especially one that already had special gifts. Furthermore, with the implants and amping by Mistress Death, you can't be sure of anything. From what I know, Thanos has yet to be control. Heck, he even tricked Mephisto and grinned at the demon's face. And Mephisto has pulled beings like Thor into his realm before.
As far as I know Thanos has always been a mutant. He is an Titan Eternal that was born with some abilities that Earth Eternals have and without some that Titan Eternals have. He wasn't a trade like DC's Orion and Kalibak (sp?).
I know its not cannon but a lot of the information was pulled from the Marvel Handbooks. "http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/t/thanos.htm". Go to 'Known Superhuman Powers'.
Also if you go to "www.marvelcomics.com", click on the 'Marvel Universe' link and then go through the alphabetical index to find Thanos one of the first things you see is that Titan Eternals are an off-shoot of humanity, like Homo Sapiens Superior.
"Born with a monstrous appearance and a massive body..."
"...shunned as a child for his overdeveloped form and grotesque appearance."
Mounds like a mutant to me.
..."mounds" indeed...meant "sounds".
Originally posted by BeyonderTwo points...
...Eternal Titan. He's as far off from mutant as Asgardians are. He's an Eternal Titan first and a mutant second. Both his parents are Eternals; there biology is different from humans. We don't know what extent or even any control Onslaught has over mutants of a different species, especially one that already had special gifts. Furthermore, with the implants and amping by Mistress Death, you can't be sure of anything. From what I know, Thanos has yet to be control. Heck, he even tricked Mephisto and grinned at the demon's face. And Mephisto has pulled beings like Thor into his realm before.
1. The word 'Titan' means nothing more than the fact he is from the moon Titan. It does not give him any extra powers, abilities, etc. He is referred to as 'Thanos of Titan' because he's from there.
2. He is an Eternal, yes...but an Eternal born with 'Deviant Syndrome'. So he's part Deviant, and it's widely accepted that Mutants are sort of offshoots of Deviants. In fact, Apocalypse was able to play with the DNA of a Deviant, (can't remember his name...big green guy, name starts with a 'K'...a friend of Ransak), which radically mutated him to a giant and grotesque beast to fight the Eternals. Put it all together, it is perfectly conceivable that the X-factor found in Homosapien Superior, and in Thanos of Titan, may be similar.
Originally posted by Lord S
And what exactly is his 'own power'?You seem to think that Onslaught's own power is just an amalgamation of Xavier and Magneto, when in fact his own power was constantly evolving.
The Onslaught entitly itself was merely a little demon-lookin creature growing inside the chest of Magneto.
He was a being that made himself by siphoning the powers of others...and any powers he siphoned, fully or partially, have to be considered as his own. He didn't need any host to survive by the time he totally drained them. He was slowly taking over Franklin, and had he been given more time, he would have totally drained him and tossed him aside. By partially draining Franklin, he was able to create a second sun...and I consider that as being 'under his own power'.
You assume to much Lord S. The Onslaught entity was embodiment of all of Magnetos angst, his frustration, his anger, his grief. When Xavier out of frustration and anger lashed out at Magneto psionically he temporarily linked his mind with Magnetos, giving that entity that was all that is dark in Magneto a chance to transfer into Xaviers mind and become one with him. Over months it became the entity we know as Onslaught. It had Magnetos powers because it originated from him, it was the embodiment of his darkside. It had Xaviers powers because Xavier connected with Magneto and the entity bonded with Xavier and gestated within his mind gaining his powers.
Onslaught was the synthesis of those two mutants. Because he derived from those of the X gene, that defined his nature, he was a mutation and throughout his lifetime he was evolving and he reached his final stage when he became an energy being at the end of the Onslaught Saga.
To manipulate reality Onslaught captured Franklin and tapped into his powers. That is how he achieved all of his major feats. There is no evidence that those powers became his own, that is your assumption. Onslaught had Xavier and Magnetos powers because he derived from them, he gestated within them for many , many months, he was one with them. He evolved because he was from those of the X gene. There is no evidence whatsoever to say that Franklins powers became his own. Until that is clearly stated then that point cannot be used in this debate credibly.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You assume to much Lord S. The Onslaught entity was embodiment of all of Magnetos angst, his frustration, his anger, his grief. When Xavier out of frustration and anger lashed out at Magneto psionically he temporarily linked his mind with Magnetos, giving that entity that was all that is dark in Magneto a chance to transfer into Xaviers mind and become one with him. Over months it became the entity we know as Onslaught. It had Magnetos powers because it originated from him, it was the embodiment of his darkside. It had Xaviers powers because Xavier connected with Magneto and the entity bonded with Xavier and gestated within his mind gaining his powers.Onslaught was the synthesis of those two mutants. Because he derived from those of the X gene, that defined his nature, he was a mutation and throughout his lifetime he was evolving and he reached his final stage when he became an energy being at the end of the Onslaught Saga.
To manipulate reality Onslaught captured Franklin and tapped into his powers. That is how he achieved all of his major feats. There is no evidence that those powers became his own, that is your assumption. Onslaught had Xavier and Magnetos powers because he derived from them, he gestated within them for many , many months, he was one with them. He evolved because he was from those of the X gene. There is no evidence whatsoever to say that Franklins powers became his own. Until that is clearly stated then that point cannot be used in this debate credibly.
It's not far fetched to say that the same can be said for Franklin Richards.
Oh yeah, Onslaught started as some kind of combination of Magneto/Xavier, but he "soon" became much more than that. He waltzed through the FF like they were nothing (to be precise, the FF + Hawkeye + Richards father + Lyja + Bishop + Iceman + Crystal + that huge dog whose name I forget), and this was in the "beginning" of his career as a world threatening villain.
Later he became much stronger.
"""""""""Oh yeah, Onslaught started as some kind of combination of Magneto/Xavier, but he "soon" became much more than that. He waltzed through the FF like they were nothing (to be precise, the FF + Hawkeye + Richards father + Lyja + Bishop + Iceman + Crystal + that huge dog whose name I forget), and this was in the "beginning" of his career as a world threatening villain.
Later he became much stronger.
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Im aware of all of that. None of that is in debate because it doesnt change anything.
""""""""""""""""""""""When he absorbed X-Man's powers, he didn't need him anymore and "threw" him away like he was nothing. This means he absorbed his powers completely, and didn't need him anymore.
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Incorrect. I dont recall Onslaught absorbing Xmans power and throwing him away at any point during the Onslaught saga. I have it right here in front of me. Here a little quote:
""""""I come from a world overrun by a madman named Apocalypse. Onslaught admires that world. Now he's tapping into our powers in order to make this one just like it or worse."""
Onslaught as he performed his feats and right up until the point where he was defeated was drawing on the power of his two captives. He never absorbed them and took their powers as his own. That is the reason he kept them captive. He needed them. Whether Onslaught could have absorbed their powers is unknown and as such cant be used as a point in this debate. All we know for certain is precisely what i stated in my previous post.
As it stands Thanos wins.