<<Wich doesnt matter since Lee never wrote Hulk with limitess emotions. Have any Lee statemnet that proves Hulks emotions being limitess? Yes, no. >>
when he says hulk's strength is limitless, it is implied. david whom you are quoting weakened and depowered the hulk. lee's impression of the hulk is the classic one and no where prior to david's character's statement does it say his 'emotion' is limited. if it IS limited, how did he gain enough strength to break the matter/antimatter law of physics? it takes literally infinite strength to achieve that act. how does he gain strength? through anger/frustration. how does he gain the strength to accomplish an impossible feat requiring infinite strength? by becoming infinitely frustrated or angry. the same goes for holding a mountain range! when banner's mind can't handle his own anger he becomes hulk. his anger continues to mount and mount and hulk acts as an infinite outlet for that continually mountin anger. i really don't see why you're debating the point. its been that way for 40 years. THAT'S all one needs to know.
<<When they wer destroying the city ( something you said they didnt ) Thor wasent fighting with the hammer. In the end Thor was more bruised. Yes. And Hulk was frustated because Thor without the hammer still wouldnt stay down.>>
they smacked each other into buildings. against oslaught the FORCE of their blows connecting rocked the city. last point on this because you're apparently the only one who doesn't want to acknowledge hulk clearly won that fight. and if you think he was as strong against thor as he was against onslaught . . . well, (shrugs)
<<Abom, Apoc, Namor, Black bolt, Hulk Killer Humanoid, The villain of the recent Marvel team up, another one that impressioned all Marvels heroes and had Thor, Colossus and Hulk between others going against him and they all lost. (wich Silver surfer won in the end).>>
your examples are idiotic for the third time. apoc HELD hulk - prof hulk of all things - THERE WAS NO FIGHT!! we don't even know HOW he held him? did he sneak up on him? abom was an aberration hulk has destroyed him too many times to refute - again. bb didn't beat him in a fist fight - bb used other powers. the android is stupid. again. i have no idea what you are trying to say with the rest of that paragraph. and in 40 years those couple are what you came up this?? yeah, almost nonexistent. and i don't care what other heroes lost fights. not sure why you bring it up.
<<ur probably running out of arguments. What has Maestro to do with regular Hulk. Yes, afraid. He made a hostage and treated to kill her so Thot trew the hammer away. Thats fear.>>
and you probably never read the issue or you wouldn't ask the question. hulk and thor have fought at least 10 times i can remember. because hulk was pissed and wanted to fight thor once without a hammer you call that one time fear. and I'M running out of arguments? use what is generally portrayed of a character. if you think hulk is afraid of thor and his hammer, well, again there's little help fo you. read more of their battles.
<<pes and Marvel are equals. Always wer since pre crisis. About Superman admiting that Marvel with magic has the upperhand, you have one example in Superman/Batman #4.>>
you're wrong, they're near equals, but i'll not debate that in this thread.
<<Read your own words first. You said no other was able to open his armour. Thats what Thor did, a crack isent an open armour is it?>>
what?? hulk broke the armor alone. thor coudln't. thor needed OTHERS to open it for him first. whoopee, he broke what was already open. i said i before - thor was ineffectual against onslaught - hulk was not. and there was a reason hulk went in to battle 1on1 and not thor. and i already told you - onslaught did NOT ko hulk. the resulting energy blast that happened when hulk shattered his armor is what ko'd hulk. NOT onslaught's punching.
<<Not overrating Hulk too much for a start.>>
he deserves to be overrated in his strength. he does things no one else in marvel or dc can do. he would beat all of these guys except guys who can tap infinite sources of strength. will some put up fights? of course. would hulk win in the end? yes.
<<But rage allows him not just an adreline boost. Thats the gig. The angrier he gets the stronger he becomes. I particullary dont feel fear or jealously increases him. Unless they go towards the rage aspect/nature.
And with that we practically get back to where we started.>>
yes they do. hulk was jealous of in the jarella story arc. and a jealous hulk was enormously strong. of course jealousy leads to anger. so does fear. ALL these emotions make him stronger. if they all lead to anger, so be it. they still make him stronger. even when hulk fought pre-c supes each blow he landed became geometrically more powerful as his anger grew. it would have continued to do so until he became as strong as he needed to be - and if a task requires infinite strength? he STILL achieves it. which should be impossible according to you. how does he achieve infinite/physcially impossible strength if as you claim his anger, which feeds his strength, is limited?
<<Drax doesn't need power gem to have infite strength like hulk he to can get stronger.
Power gem is over kill.
Drax is dumb, but he was strong enough to k.o champion with one hit ( with power gem)>>
really? didn't know drax could increase his strength without the gem. thought his level was set, just set very high. does he use cosmic power to increase it?
<<leonidas your points are sound, olympian seems to have a problem with hulks character and limitless strength potential. the fact is thats what hulk is, ive explained his character so clearly time and again yet people still seem to argue against their own version of what hulk is>>
thanks tg. i was beginning to think it was just me. i mean giving apoc a WIN because he HELD prof hulk for a second . . . 😕
"when he says hulk's strength is limitless, it is implied"
What is implied its exactly this. He increases strenght with rage to levels above the other heroes. Doesnt say his rage his limitess, just that his strenght is.
"david whom you are quoting weakened and depowered the hulk"
And also wrote Savage Hulk and created M a e s t r o. Not to mention writting Professor manhandling opponents, that the Savage Hulk took time with or had more problems.
So much for weaklings.
"lee's impression of the hulk is the classic one and no where prior to david's character's statement does it say his 'emotion' is limited"
Lee never stated rage to be limitess. Thats why the door was opened.
"if it IS limited, how did he gain enough strength to break the matter/antimatter law of physics? it takes literally infinite strength to achieve that act."
First because its his strenght that is limitess, not what fuels it. He got himself up to that level to perfom the necessary. However what you seem to forget is that he was losing it. Spiderman stated as much. He changed tactics because of that. Now bear with this litlle question. If his rage was also without any limit, and considering everything on him increases with his strenght, why would he ever lose it? Limitess rage would make him work all his potential of limitess strenght. He would never have to lose anything. He did.
"they smacked each other into buildings. against oslaught the FORCE of their blows connecting rocked the city. last point on this because you're apparently the only one who doesn't want to acknowledge hulk clearly won that fight. and if you think he was as strong against thor as he was against onslaught . . . well, (shrugs)"
You must have some reading problems. The only comment i made about the onslaught fight was if it was in a city or not since i didnt recall correctly. The other comment i made was that Thor and Hulk also made damages in the whole city they wer in. Thats it.
And tell me how you can "cleary win" when ur opponent still stands up while another is frustated because he doesnt a) give up b) admits the other is stronger 3) doesnt go down.
If anything and i already said this, Hulk had a clear upperhand in the end of the fight. Not a trashing.
"apoc HELD hulk - prof hulk of all things - THERE WAS NO FIGHT!! we don't even know HOW he held him"
http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?trd=020819153128&q=scans
Read the text. Hulk was restrained. He was struggling. And consider this was the event that made him War Hulk, was Hulk still professor at this time.
"abom was an aberration hulk has destroyed him too many times to refute - again""
That owned the Hulk in a slugfest.
"bb didn't beat him in a fist fight - bb used other powers"
None outside of his powerset. Hulk does have "powers" other than strenght, you know? Healing ability, increasing durability and being tireless the madder he gets. They wer fighting one on one and Hulk lost.
Wich isent something to cry foul at. BB has perhaps the best winning record at Marvel outside of Captain America. maybe more considering he has less appearances.
"the android is stupid. again"
Yeah..and? He beat him.
"have no idea what you are trying to say with the rest of that paragraph. and in 40 years those couple are what you came up this?? yeah, almost nonexistent. and i don't care what other heroes lost fights. not sure why you bring it up."
You didnt got it? One sec:
Translation = he was defeated in slugfets/battles outside his title. That other characters won.
"and you probably never read the issue or you wouldn't ask the question. hulk and thor have fought at least 10 times i can remember"
Yes, but not before that one.
"because hulk was pissed and wanted to fight thor once without a hammer you call that one time fear"
He was pissed because Thor with the hammer has the advantage.
Thor matched Hulk without hammer on other ocassion that i remember. In that fight we are talking about he cleary was with fear. Simple as crystal. But good to know you acnolowege it now.
"you're wrong, they're near equals, but i'll not debate that in this thread"
Bullocks. Give me an account when they werent portrait as equals or dont refute anything. Since pre crisis they win over the other and stalemate over and over again. And post crisis badly for you it was already stated his magic gives him an edge.
"what?? hulk broke the armor alone. thor coudln't. thor needed OTHERS to open it for him first."
I know that. But thats wasent what you state. You state no one else - opened it- . Nothing more. And Thor did.
"and there was a reason hulk went in to battl1on1 and not thor. "
Because Hulk was there as the main gun, and Thor wasent. Neither the rest of Avengers/X-Men that wer trying to get to the battle.
"- onslaught did NOT ko hulk. the resulting energy blast that happened when hulk shattered his armor is what ko'd hulk. NOT onslaught's punching. "
He tried to subdue Onslaught and couldnt. He punched him and got ko. This isent different than punching a "timestorm" and getting knocked out.
Hulk lost that slugfest. Its simple. He was down, the opponent wasent. No one else interfered in theyr battle.
"he deserves to be overrated in his strength. he does things no one else in marvel or dc can do"
Thats not what im contesting. Its the " he gets stronger than cosmic beings " that was never proven. Everytime he makes an impossible feat he either starts to lose it or pass out/gets ko. He has limitess strenght, he just cant use it since he limits itself.
And no one marvel or dc, post crisis so far.
"of course jealousy leads to anger. so does fear"
Thats what i said. Is there an echo in here? But there are emotions that dont. Therefore he cant use all to raise his strenght from the get go, since not all are negative and turn into rage.
In the end its still the rage that makes him go higher.
"how does he achieve infinite/physcially impossible strength if as you claim his anger, which feeds his strength, is limited?"
Because those feats he did werent stated to be impossible for other high beings. And everytime he reached those he didnt mantained for long or surpassed those levels. Theres a setback in all that. He has limitess strenght to use, but the emotion that trigs it is not of that nature.
"leonidas your points are sound, olympian seems to have a problem with hulks character and limitless strength potential. the fact is thats what hulk is, ive explained his character so clearly time and again yet people still seem to argue against their own version of what hulk is"
You dont explain anything. You type crapolla over and over again. Thats how much pll "listen" to you.
But there are some things you get it right. Sometimes.
If Hulk didnt depended of rage to use his strenght then he would be able to overcome anything.
Its not the case.
"thanks tg. i was beginning to think it was just me. i mean giving apoc a WIN because he HELD prof hulk for a second . . ."
Now he only did for a second? What more are you going to make up now.
I said Hulk was subdued physically and thats what happened. Enjoy the scans.
<<However what you seem to forget is that he was losing it.>>
prove he was losing it. i recall you said the same thing to cosmic cube and he also told you you were wrong and couldn't prove it. he thrust them apasrt and punched one away. and how did he get to that level per chance? i thought you said his rage powers his strength. if his strength is infinite, what it supplying it with impetus?
<<b) admits the other is stronger >>
case closed
<<None outside of his powerset. Hulk does have "powers" other than strenght, you know? Healing ability, increasing durability and being tireless the madder he gets. They wer fighting one on one and Hulk lost.>>
i said slugfest. strength v strength. no top hero other than thor (with hammer) and namor (underwater) have beaten him in a brawl. hulk has beaten most.
<<Translation = he was defeated in slugfets/battles outside his title. That other characters won. >>
never once said he couldn't be beaten. said he almost never loses in battles where it is a slugfest. glads and supes are capable of beating him, but not by standing toe-to-toe with him.
<<He was pissed because Thor with the hammer has the advantage.
Thor matched Hulk without hammer on other ocassion that i remember. In that one he was with fear. Simple as crystal. But good to know you acnolowege now the fear he had in that one.>>
yeah, he was terrified.
<<I know that. But thats wasent what you state. You state no one else - opened it- . Nothing more. And Thor did.>>
silly semantics when you knew exactly what i was saying. thor couldn't do it alone, hulk could.
<<He tried to subdue Onslaught and couldnt. He punched him and got ko. This isent different than punching a "timestorm" and getting knocked out.
Hulk lost that slugfest. Its simple. He was down, the opponent wasent. No one else interfered in theyr battle.>>
hulk battles a reality altering omega level telepath and smashes his armor letting lose a torrent of psychic energy and you say onslaught beat him in a slugfest? oh yeah . . . just answer this question: did onslaught ko hulk by punching him? here' i'll save you the time. no. hulk actually appeared teh STRONGER which given who and what onslaught was, is incredible. and had it not been for the fact that onslaught continually evolved eventually INTO the energy being ultimately responsible for ko'ing hulk, hulk would have won the battle.
<<Thats not what im contesting. Its the " he gets stronger than cosmic beings " that was never proven. Everytime he makes an impossible feat he either starts to lose it or pass out/gets ko. He has limitess strenght, he just cant use it since he limits itself.>>
nor disproven. do i think hulk could take galactus in a slugfest? ir's a silly question because it would never happen. can he do things with strength that defy physics and that no one else can do? yes. if rage is his fuel and his rage is limited how does he achieve limitless stength?
"how does he achieve infinite/physcially impossible strength if as you claim his anger, which feeds his strength, is limited?"
<<Because those feats he did werent stated to be impossible for other high beings. And everytime he reached those he didnt mantained for long or surpassed those levels. Theres a setback in all that. He has limitess strenght to use, but the emotion that trigs it is not of that nature.>>
for other high beings?? who cares if a celestial has the power to overcome a matter/antimatter attraction through uberpowerful cosmic power? what does that have to do with anything? lots of beings can do what hulk did but NOT via physical strength. nor does it matter if he maintains that level for long. once he's achieved what he needs to do, there is no more NEED to feel rage. and you contradict your own main point - he has limitless strength but the emotion that triggers it is not of that nature. how can he have one but not the other?? how does he achieve it as he did by doing what should have been impossible by anyone without reality altering power (because in the physical universe we live in it IS impossible)??
<<Now he only did for a second? What more are you going to make up now.
I said Hulk was subdued physically and thats what happened. Enjoy the scans.>>
i couldn't care less if he was restrained for 3 hours. first apoc probably COULD restrain him - he can alter his shape however he wants. mr fantasic can also hold the hulk. so what? but more to the point - your entire apoc reference is utterly irrelevant since it was PROF hulk he held and not a hulk who could become stronger with rage.
the bottom line is this: apparently you contend hulk breaking the matter/antimatter barrier is not an example of limitless strength. because if it was, he would clearly need an infinite fuel source upon which to draw to achieve that strenght and your whole point of a 'limit' on his emotions would be rendered moot. if you don't think it IS an example of limitless strength, i can't do much more to convince you, so believe what you'd like. people will read our points and make up their own minds.
<<Edit:
"If Hulk didnt depended of rage -level- to use his strenght then he would be able to overcome anything."
and
"He tried to subdue Onslaught and couldnt. He punched him and got ko"
Consider only this one. The other would be more in the nature if Onslaught -wasent figthing- at all.>>
olympian, i have no idea what you're trying to say here. hulk never went in there with the idea of 'subduing' anyone, but of beating him. in part at least, he succeeded. the ENERGY that ko'd him was 'untouchable' according to reed and in that form onslaught was even MORE powerful than he had been.
again olympian u dont understand comics. hulk will have to lose slugfests from time to time, it shows his characters vulnerable side, also allows others in mu to be able to show they are strong. however, hulk has limitless strength its a fact and dont go bringing up pad as every email, quote i ve read states that physically there is nothing hulk hasnt got the potential to be able to do. beat namour in water, yup, his character can, though he wouldnt be written doing this, hurt juggie, yup, again maybe wouldnt be written doing this, etc etc. hulk has no cap to his limitless power thats how he was created. to be the one guy that just says right you might be stronger, or unliftable etc but look what happens when i get madder, i smash. if u want quotes, the leader stands back astonished when sapping hulks power to realise there is no end to it. ( this has happened multiple times to multiple characters). also hulk encyclopedia, hulk draws his vast strength from an unknown and limitless source, sometimes regarded as a whole universe itself. ( thats how comics regard infinite) these are hulk facts yet time and again your whole essay of an answer disregards this and once u disregard it the reat is irrelevant.
"prove he was losing it."
Spiderman says so. Its stated. Thats the why abouta asking Hulk to punch one of the orbs away.
"And tell me how you can "cleary win" when ur opponent still stands up while another is frustated because he doesnt a) give up b) admits the other is stronger 3) doesnt go down."
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"case closed"
Read again. The points i made er what Hulk wanted to happen, and wer never stated.
"i said slugfest. strength v strength. no top hero other than thor (with hammer) and namor (underwater) have beaten him in a brawl. hulk has beaten most."
A slugfest has also agility and skills besides strenght. But ok. Take Hulk reage increasing since its an ability of his powerset like the scream is to BB.
"never once said he couldn't be beaten
In some posts it sure sems like it. And Hulk will and can be beaten in a slugfest by other heroes. Just never the majority. As you know he doesnt get into high levels all fights.
"silly semantics when you knew exactly what i was saying. thor couldn't do it alone, hulk could"
Dont state semantics in the first place.
"nor disproven. do i think hulk could take galactus in a slugfest? ir's a silly question because it would never happen. can he do things with strength that defy physics and that no one else can do? yes. if rage is his fuel and his rage is limited how does he achieve limitless stength?"
Tell me this, if it was never disaproven then why you use Hulk limitess strengh with these beings as a certainity? A little silly wouldnt you say. Celestials and Galactus at full power wer never stated or shown not to be able to do those kind of feats either. Theres no certain. I give the edge even in strengh to the others because they already start much higher and can amp themselves.
Not to mention theres another statement by Ashema in the heroes returning from the " heroes reborn reality" to the main one, about Celestials being infinite.
And my beef is when Hulk reaches high levels he doesnt surpass those.
"for other high beings?? who cares if a celestial has the power to overcome a matter/antimatter attraction through uberpowerful cosmic power? what does that have to do with anything?"
And doesnt ubercosmic power increases strenght Isent what Surfer and heralds do and they are in the low chain of the cosmic beings at Marvel.
"nor does it matter if he maintains that level for long. once he's achieved what he needs to do, there is no more NEED to feel rage. and you contradict your own main point "
The main point being that in the orbs feat his job wasent finished. He was helding its own but was about to lose it. The orbs werent separated as intended. Just apart some inches. thats the reason - why- Spiderman tells him to stop doing it and punch one back before the inevitable happens. There was also the fear that sonner or later he would tire.
"i couldn't care less if he was restrained for 3 hours. first apoc probably COULD restrain him - he can alter his shape however he wants. mr fantasic can also hold the hulk. so what? but more to the point - your entire apoc reference is utterly irrelevant since it was PROF hulk he held and not a hulk who could become stronger with rage. "
Any scan that proves that was Prof Hulk? He doesnt look the part.
Either way its an example i gave of someone overpowering Hulk. Professor Hulk or not he has been overspowered and defeated.
What do you say about the recent defeated of Savage Hulk in the Team up #11 on a slugfest?
"the bottom line is this: apparently you contend hulk breaking the matter/antimatter barrier is not an example of limitless strength. because if it was, he would clearly need an infinite fuel source upon which to draw to achieve that strenght and your whole point of a 'limit' on his emotions would be rendered moot"
I dont contend he has limitess strenght. I contend that he doesnt reach those levels because of limitations on itself. His emotions.
Not to mention theres a statement by a writter, not refuted yet by others that says his rage by the Savage isent limitess.
Thats my view of things, we agree to disagree. Good debate in any case.
"again olympian u dont understand comics. hulk will have to lose slugfests from time to time, it shows his characters vulnerable side,"
If writers come up with this, how are they suposse to show he doenst have - any character - limitations like you claim.
"beat namour in water, yup, his character can, though he wouldnt be written doing this, hurt juggie, yup, again maybe wouldnt be written doing this, etc etc. hulk has no cap to his limitless power thats how he was created"
You contradit yourself.
"u want quotes, the leader stands back astonished when sapping hulks power to realise there is no end to it. ( this has happened multiple times to multiple characters"
Then multiple characters can beat him in a slugfest. Or your intending to say all of what the writers put down, isent to be taken seriously.
How should we take the no limitations serioulsy then? More important how should we take it serious if its not showed.
A great paradox here, isent it.
"also hulk encyclopedia, hulk draws his vast strength from an unknown and limitless source, sometimes regarded as a whole universe itself."
Handbooks and encyclopedias doesnt matter to what its show in comics. Yes ive seen it stated his - strenght - is limitess. Ive already said it.
"these are hulk facts yet time and again your whole essay of an answer disregards this and once u disregard it the reat is irrelevant."
Ponctuation.
<<A slugfest has also agility and skills besides strenght. But ok. Take Hulk reage increasing since its an ability of his powerset like the scream is to BB.>>
you are being deliberately obtuse. ss's power cosmic is also in his 'skill set' but that is also not what i'm talking about. you haven't named a top tier hero outside thor with magic and namor underwater who's beaten hulk in a brawl and without the use of powers other than strength. that is the issue - strength. not if he can be defeated by powers other than strength.
<<"silly semantics when you knew exactly what i was saying. thor couldn't do it alone, hulk could"
Dont state semantics in the first place.>>
huh? my statement is and was very concrete: hulk could break the armor on his own. thor could not. explain to me how that is semantical?
<<Tell me this, if it was never disaproven then why you use Hulk limitess strengh with these beings as a certainity? A little silly wouldnt you say. Celestials and Galactus at full power wer never stated or shown not to be able to do those kind of feats either. Theres no certain. I give the edge even in strengh to the others because they already start much higher and can amp themselves. >>
you're really reaching. the question should be this: is it theoretically possible for hulk to accomplish any feat of STRENGTH that these others could accomplish SANS cosmic power? and the answer to that is yes. theoretically. can these others do more or things hulk CAN'T do? obviously. they have much broader powers. if a celetial took human form and they had a simple lifting competition or an armwrestle it is theoretically possible hulk could match it.
<<Either way its an example i gave of someone overpowering Hulk. Professor Hulk or not he has been overspowered and defeated.>>
prof or not, eh. doesn't matter you say? since prof doesn't get stronger, and we're discussing a character who DOES, i'd say that renders him rather irrelevent to the discussion.
<<There was also the fear that sonner or later he would tire.>>
never said his endurance was limitless. losing it . . . sigh
<<I dont contend he has limitess strenght. I contend that he doesnt reach those levels because of limitations on itself. His emotions.>.
these points of yours are mutually incompatible. what good is limitless strength without the fuel to reach it? whether you say he was 'losing it' with the orbs or not, what he did was supposed to be physically impossible. how does he do this impossible feat without infinite fuel - ie rage? you can't adequately answer the question because there IS no adequate answer.
<<Not to mention theres a statement by a writter, not refuted yet by others that says his rage by the Savage isent limitess.>>
the orbs feat puts the lie to this because to reach infinite/impossible strength he needs infinite/impossible rage.
<<Thats my view of things, we agree to disagree. Good debate in any case.>>
agreed.
🙂
"huh? my statement is and was very concrete: hulk could break the armor on his own. thor could not. explain to me how that is semantical?"
No Leonidas. You said that no one else broke the armour. You didnt spicified anything else. If you had, i would agree. And i do.
"you are being deliberately obtuse. ss's power cosmic is also in his 'skill set' but that is also not what i'm talking about. you haven't named a top tier hero outside thor with magic and namor underwater who's beaten hulk in a brawl and without the use of powers other than strength. that is the issue - strength. not if he can be defeated by powers other than strength."
You asked first about characters overall.
Heroes i concead dont usually do it. Namor, Silver Surfer amping his strengh with pc its legit as Hulk amping his. And Black Bolt.
Black Bolt had like 3 fights against the Hulk. He didnt used his scream in all of them. He used agility, his strenght, his beams, his skills. Once again Hulk limites strenght wasent enought.
Black Bolt its one of the cases where the handbook ratings totally fail by what they write. In the issue where he knockes Gladiator out with a whisper close to the ear, he was shown matching muscle agaisnt him. He put the hurt using skills and strenght on Namor, punched the Thing back and forth more than once. Despise what handbook says hes not that below.
Yes heroes usually dont do it. Villains or other " gray " characters (Like Hulk Jones) do. I agree on that since your only talking about heroes here.
"these points of yours are mutually incompatible. what good is limitless strength without the fuel to reach it? whether you say he was 'losing it' with the orbs or not, what he did was supposed to be physically impossible"
The story stated it. Also has Spiderman saying " when he gets tired, wer done." If anything its the story itself thats contraditory.
" the orbs feat puts the lie to this because to reach infinite/impossible strength he needs infinite/impossible rage. "
No they dont. The story itself tells the reader Hulk will eventually fail. That even when the point was having the orbs far apart, Hulk while struggling and still doing the feat, was only helding its own. "Only" inches made as a difference between one orb and the other. Unlike what you said above, he didnt finished his "Mission" and was still using his rage. And Spiderman quickly changes tactics to stop the worse.
This is comic books. Impossible things are made all the time. Hulk reached the necessary level to do this one. Terrax has lived inside a black Hole. Herc and Thor generated strenght to knock a planet out of its orbit with a simple armwrestling match. Others wer sneezing and punching planets and galaxies. Those are impossible. Ridiculous. And so was that one of the Hulk.
In the end any real pshysical laws simply jobb to characters.
<<"Only" inches made as a difference between one orb and the other. Unlike what you said above, he didnt finished his "Mission" and was still using his rage. And Spiderman quickly changes tactics to stop the worse.>>
hulk still generated enough force with a punch to cause the seperation. what does it matter if he pushed them apart or not? punching them apart is no less impressive. also, the force necessary to knock a planet from orbit while large (but attainable by 2 gods) is still measureable - what hulk did required infinite/near infinite force. there are varying scales of impossible, as there are varying scales of infinity.
Its true, but generatting enought strenght to punch one orb away its not the same as separating two while in the middle of the attraction forces. Wich was what it was required and he was trying to do.
About the planet kicked out of orbit, it can teorically be measurable. Altho in real life isent that easy. I was merely trying to example the fact, that theres so many impossible things done by characters that physic laws in comics dont bear much weight. Not when one guy for example (and i like using this one because its the most ridiculous i could ever imagine) used to live in a black hole.
"there are varying scales of impossible, as there are varying scales of infinity."
Theres one. If you have infinity power already, how can it have a limit to another level. That wouldnt be infinity 😉
Im not downplaying Hulk, i just have to be honest with what i think and see. Theres statements that go with what i say about his rage and levels. Ill go with Hulk having that dimension of limitess strenght stored inside him but, since he needs rage to use that strenght, there is a setback. Rage its a limited concept. In the end its my opinion that he sets its own limitation. As high that one is.
As for last, i might been overboard with Black Bolt. I went to check and the one i have he won by using his antena. Thing is i dont have the other fights and dont remember correctly. Did they slugged it out in any of them? I had in mind that they did.
I know he won all fights against Hulk, im just not sure if they ever actually traded blows.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
if its just a physical fight then he has the potential to go all the way. none of the others possesse limitless physical strength , and hulk can match and surpass these guys physically. might have a prob around the angry supes area as supes could well be written i dont know sucking in radiation from the sun to get stronger or something like that . wonder woman, hulk would bone her then eat her
Um I don't think he is beating superman, but that is just my opinion.
<<Theres one. If you have infinity power already, how can it have a limit to another level. That wouldnt be infinity>>
there are an infinite scale of infinities. 😉 half of infinity is still infinity but it is less than the full scale infinity. infinity + 1 is greater than infinity and infinity - 1 is still infinity but less than the 'full' infinity. scales of infinity are mathematical realities and are used in higher order math all the time. they are mathematical certainties. if you don't believe me, read for yourself. this is a simple example but explains what i mean perfectly:
http://beattie.info/notebook/1008254.html
like infinity, there are also varying scales of impossible. what's impossible for a gnat to lift is easy for me to lift. all depends on perspective.
living in a black hole is nothing in comics. basically you just need to be able to exceed light speed to stay away from the singularity and be able to escape at will.
as for black bolt - i remember the fight where he used the antennae. i've no idea about the others. and i'll still contend to perform an impossible feat as he did, he much have an infinite source of fuel - ie - rage, frustration. you're quibbling by saying it's somehow different standing in the middle of the 2 orbs than it is punching one away. regardless of his position or action, hulk needed to generate sufficient force from within himself to seperate the orbs. and ultimately seperating them was his goal, not shoving them apart - seperating them, however he could. 😉