The Official BLEACH series Thread

Originally posted by King Kandy

Meanwhile, his supposed superior Harribel got solod by Toshiro, someone definitively below Ichigo judging from Soul Society Arc, and the #1 loses to Shikai.

Not really- think about how Hitsugaya's normal freeze attack badly wounded Luppi, but his ultimate attack, which he was hesitant to use even in shikai mode, failed to visibly harm her when used in bankai mode, merely trapped her for awhile and she showed no signs of injury upon being freed. I also think Hitsugaya's more powerful than he seemed early on, he just has a habit of being caught off-guard due to inexperience. Since Harribel was playing softball to let moisture build up, that played into his hands pretty well, but ultimately it was Aizen, not Toshiro, who killed her.

I do agree that #1 losing to shikai was bad, but he did cream two vizard captains first, so I think it's supposed to be a sign of 'the old guard are just that badass'.

If that giant hollow didn't show up and free her, Toshiro's attack count would have reached 100 and she would have died.

They all bloomed. His attack was finished.

no they hadnt. she was saved

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/364/09-10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/364/11/

WW shoots a beam, it shatters the ice thing. nothing points to it already having completely bloomed or halibel breaking out under her own power.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
no they hadnt. she was saved

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/364/09-10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/364/11/

WW shoots a beam, it shatters the ice thing. nothing points to it already having completely bloomed or halibel breaking out under her own power.

WW broke it and freed her, yes, but they bloomed when the ice petals touched.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/359/12/ -They've stopped falling and they've all visibly bloomed, 5 chapters before WW showed up.

She was trapped, but Hitsugaya's best shot failed to kill her or injure her, merely imprisoned her.

he said when 100 bloom.

that does not look like 100. less.

^ Also, his words might imply that 100 have not yet bloomed.

Because she was completely imprisoned, she was pretty much out of the fight. Even if she didn't die, it doesn't change the fact that Hitsugaya had beaten her.

Originally posted by Q99
WW broke it and freed her, yes, but they bloomed when the ice petals touched.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/359/12/ -They've stopped falling and they've all visibly bloomed, 5 chapters before WW showed up.

She was trapped, but Hitsugaya's best shot failed to kill her or injure her, merely imprisoned her.

After she was freed, she was also taking on Hitsugaya and two vice-captain vizards with their masks on and defended from all three attacking at once. No signs of any damage until Aizen attacked her, she blocked all of their attacks.

Originally posted by King Kandy
It's your opinion that the art depicts that they've stopped falling. However Hitsugaya's very words say, "when 100 fall your life will be gone", as in the 100 have not fallen yet.

There's a few in the air at that page, but they stop by the next few (and with enough that it's believably a hundred) and several minutes pass before she's freed, by which time the thing looks like a solid block the same size and shape as when we last saw it.

Hitsugaya even put away his sword and bankai, it's sheathed on his back when WW shows up I'll note.

There's no evidence the technique is continuing or anything else is happening in between, and deactivating the bankai and a lack of any change for several minutes is a pretty good sign a technique's over.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Really, was that worse than Making Ulquiorra #4? He was so strong that even in first release, vizard Ichigo couldn't put a single scratch on him even with getsuga. And he had a second release on top of it.

Meanwhile, his supposed superior Harribel got solod by Toshiro, someone definitively below Ichigo judging from Soul Society Arc, and the #1 loses to Shikai.

I disagree. Before Ichigo had mastery of his Vizard form, his power fluctuated to levels higher than Ulqs, as stated by Ulq himself. Also, Ichigo did damage Ulq in his first form while maintaining his mask for just a few seconds. It shocked Ulq.

Also, we know that Ulq underestimated Ichigo in their first encounter on Earth.

That image tells us a couple of things: Kubo is not very stupid, at all, and, in fact, had been planning on Aizen's interest in Ichigo well over a hundred chapters ago. That's very good writing on Kubo's part, as far as plot goes.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree. Before Ichigo had mastery of his Vizard form, his power fluctuated to levels higher than Ulqs, as stated by Ulq himself. Also, Ichigo did damage Ulq in his first form while maintaining his mask for just a few seconds. It shocked Ulq.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No he was able to hurt Ulquiorra's unreleased form while Vizard...

Ambiguous pronoun reference: "his first form" in my post did not refer to Ichigo, but Ulq.

Note: That much should have been obvious from my post since I referred to Ichigo in his Vizard form: alas, this is still a problem with my use of an ambiguous pronouns reference. My bad.

No I understood you. My point is that even if Vizard Ichigo's strongest attack could put a scratch on Ulquiorra unreleased, it still couldn't hurt him even in first release. For all intents and purposes, Ulquiorra's unreleased form alone seems stronger than either Nnoitra or Grimmjow while released. The gap seems way too large for it only being one rank of difference, especially since he also seemed stronger than any of the top-3 Espada.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No I understood you. My point is that even if Vizard Ichigo's strongest attack could put a scratch on Ulquiorra unreleased, it still couldn't hurt him even in first release. For all intents and purposes, Ulquiorra's unreleased form alone seems stronger than either Nnoitra or Grimmjow while released. The gap seems way too large for it only being one rank of difference, especially since he also seemed stronger than any of the top-3 Espada.

Ahhh. Gotcha.

Well, to address that point, weren't the cuatro supposed to be a whole head and shoulders above the rest of the Espada? I thought Ulq or someone said something about that. On top of that, the cuatro were supposed to be so powerful that they could not release while inside Las Noches cause it'd blow shit up or something.

In other words, the power gap SHOULD have been huge between say, 6 and 4.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Ahhh. Gotcha.

Well, to address that point, weren't the cuatro supposed to be a whole head and shoulders above the rest of the Espada? I thought Ulq or someone said something about that. On top of that, the cuatro were supposed to be so powerful that they could not release while inside Las Noches cause it'd blow shit up or something.

In other words, the power gap SHOULD have been huge between say, 6 and 4.

Even so, I would agree with you that him being far above Nnoitra was OK, if not for the fact that he ALSO seemed to be above Espada 1-3, even with only his first release, and certainly above them with his second.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Ulquiorra said that it was forbidden for espada above 4 to release within the dome of las noches, because they could blow it up. This could mean their way stronger, or just that they were all measured and only the ones above 4 happened to reach the reiatsu necessary to do so by coincidence.

Even so, I would agree with you that him being far above Nnoitra was OK, if not for the fact that he ALSO seemed to be above Espada 1-3, even with only his first release, and certainly above them with his second.

But, in Ulq's defense, he was the only one with a second release, so, he should have been stronger than the rest, by far.

I'm thinking of Digimon. Seriously. 😐

Originally posted by dadudemon
But, in Ulq's defense, he was the only one with a second release, so, he should have been stronger than the rest, by far.

Why did Ulquiorra get a second release again? I'm not by any means complaining but why would Tite make Ulquiorra outclass his superiors so badly and then get stomped ny Ichigo? Barragan might be an exception but with that second release he could beat the crap out of Stark and Hallibel should they have fought.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Why did Ulquiorra get a second release again? I'm not by any means complaining but why would Tite make Ulquiorra outclass his superiors so badly and then get stomped ny Ichigo? Barragan might be an exception but with that second release he could beat the crap out of Stark and Hallibel should they have fought.

Isn't it obvious? Plot device for the main character.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Why did Ulquiorra get a second release again? I'm not by any means complaining but why would Tite make Ulquiorra outclass his superiors so badly and then get stomped ny Ichigo? Barragan might be an exception but with that second release he could beat the crap out of Stark and Hallibel should they have fought.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I'm pretty sure Ulquiorra could beat Barragan. He can just get some distance between them and then toss energy lances all day until Barragan's dead.

Seems a very easy way to defeat him. Ulq's blast was VERY energetic, expanding to a nuclear sized blast in an instant.