The Official BLEACH series Thread

Originally posted by Nephthys
Why teh fvck was he even carrying that around?

Anyway, I would not go as far as to say Mayuri is definitely the most evil character in Bleach, no, a few others give him a run for his money.

Grand Fisher does... I think, I cannot really remember why.

Shrieker did, this is a Hollow who spent his afterlife tormenting and torturing the soul of a little boy in a parakeet and murdering those that helped it just to make the kid feel bad. That's not even basic Hollow behavior, the manga makes it clear he was a monster in life, and hasn't changed in death.

Szayel is honestly pretty much Mayuri+, they are basically the same character, only Szayel is more outwardly cruel.

And of course, Aizen. Keep in mind this is the guy who spent decades brainwashing Momo to be subservient to him, before he tried to kill her for... You know, he did not really have a reason. He of course also used his Shikai to have Hitsugaya and friends pwnzor her as well. And when he gets an amp in power, he spends his time popping humans like pimples, seemingly only because it is fun.

I will get around to answering your argument later dadudemon. Probably not though.

Edit: Oh and Neph, dude calm down. 😐 This is not as serious as you are making it.

You know, I have wondered this too. Why IS he carrying around a picture of the severed head of Uryu's grandfather?

Wack-off material?

IMO, the main reason they tolerate Mayuri, is due to his pivotal role in the development of the Gotei 13 from a technological perspective. The man is head of the Research Institute. I doubt there's another being in Soul Society that could replace him.

I'm not sure. Soul Society seemed as technologically proficient today as they did 100 years ago. Mayuri's never mentioned any actual research beyond killing dudes for teh lolz.

I am pretty sure some of his inventions have been mentioned, but cannot recall them right now.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm not sure. Soul Society seemed as technologically proficient today as they did 100 years ago. Mayuri's never mentioned any actual research beyond killing dudes for teh lolz.

I think they were the ones that made the Fake Karakura town.

As for what he's created: Nemu. That dwarfs anything that Kisuke has created afaik, with the possible exception of his incomplete Hogyoku, but Kisuke has far more well-known creations.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I am pretty sure some of his inventions have been mentioned, but cannot recall them right now.

Well in a filler, he did create sentient watermelons with tentacles to detect and destroy Hollows 😐

The only thing that can be questioned here is whether or not the SS knows about Mayuri's actions. My guess is not, because one of his own subordinates was completely stunned when Mayuri blew him up. If he was known for such evil, he probably wouldn't have been so trusted.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
The only thing that can be questioned here is whether or not the SS knows about Mayuri's actions. My guess is not, because one of his own subordinates was completely stunned when Mayuri blew him up. If he was known for such evil, he probably wouldn't have been so trusted.

He was stunned because he was about to die. I don't see why any other reason would apply especially when killing within the Gotei 13 ranks is quite common in Squad 11.

Duels to the death are obviously exceptions rather than the rule. IIRC the only one we've even heard about is when Kenpachi challenged the previous captain. Plus theres a reason Squad 11 is regarded as being fvcking crazy by the rest of SS.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How did I not. You said that he didn't do experiments on anyone who wasn't an enemy of Soul Society*, and I responded by saying that that doesn't excuse his actions. That even if they were enemies that doesn't mean he can torture and murder them and still be considered morally clean.

* Which he did: Ishida's grandfather. At the time they were no longer at war and Soul Society actually came to his aid.

Prove that his research into the last Quincy wasn't for gain? Also, prove that SS was either aware or not aware of his actions when he did so and then prove that it was illegal for him to do so.

I can answer one of those questions for you: he got scientific gain from it because when Ishida came around, he said he was no longer interested in Quincy because he knows all there is to know.

For the others? Good luck proving something about anything.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No I'm not. I am merely judging Mayuri by his actions. His actions which are callous and cruel well past the point of clinical psychopathy into the realms of cartoon supervillianry. He is pointlessly cruel to those around him and utterly uncaring of human life. By any sane definition, he's a monster.

This is definitely NOT about what you think...even a little bit. This is about what SS thinks. The argument about what you and I think about him is very stupid. We both agree that he's a bastard. Stop wasting time. SS obviously has differing definitions of how life can be treated. They allow killing to run rampant in the higher numbered Rukongai.

When you discuss morals in a disconnected form when it comes to literature, you must discuss the morals of the fictional world. Sure, you can say what YOUR personal morals hold...but it ends there because that's just a single statement. This is "literature discussion 101".

The burden is on you to prove that Mayuri is the murdering psychopath to SS.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Out of curiosity, who would you consider more evil? The only person who even comes close is Grand Fisher.

Here's a list:

Grand Fisher.
Aizen.
Baraggan
Nnoitra
Szayel
Aaroniero

However, it can be argued that Mayuri is very one-track minded and his "evil" can be directed to things that are not evil, at all. This is the case and my opinion of why SS tolerates him now and before they didn't. Urahara saw that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So me making a legitimate comparison to battered housewives it equatable to 'no u'? Are you sure you're advocating subjectivism or is it lunacy?

My reply to your statement came right after the "no u". "😬

Calm down, dude.

Go back and re-read that exchange.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The law isn't morality. Him being possibly within it does not make him less monsterous, any less than Vlad the Impaler, Hitler, Gengis Khan, Stalin or innumerable others were.

The law IS morality. Laws are morals made official within the constructs of a "society."

And, Machiavelli would say Vlad's actions were necessary for his power to be proven, deter the loss of life from his people through future aggression (thereby preserving the most lives of the people he ruled), and quickly move on to more productful ruling actions. Many Romanians view Vlad in a favorable light because he helped drive off the invading Turks, established more rule, was a champion of the poor (contrary to the false myth...he did NOT put poor people into a building, lock it up, and light it on fire: that was to the Boyers (merchants who were much better off than most of the people in the land) who were disobeying the laws. Vlad? Machiavellian, for sure. Evil? By my personal definitions, yes. Truly evil? This requires moral absolutes that cannot be proven and, therefore, he can never be factually proven evil. In some ways, he can be proven good especially for his people and within in the context of his time. This is contrasted against Hitler's misplaced aggression against Jews: at least Vlad's aggression was towards the correct people...like...say..the invading Turks and merchants sapping his people dry (Boyers). With Vlad...it's difficult to say he's "truly" evil because of the time he lived in. Their people would think Bill Clinton was "truly evil" because of his sexual "misdeeds" and lying to his people. Look at us...we've come full circle to moral relativism.

Mayuri? Evil in that his scientific morals are pretty much turned off (I say pretty much because he loses interest in "subjects" that he's already learned everything about.)

Genghis Kkan is responsible for building the foundations for a modern Asian continent. He was a political genius and military tactician. He was, contrary to other Western Leaders, religiously tolerant, was very open/clear about his policies to his people (very different from other rulers from even hundreds of years after his reign), united many peoples, created awesome trade routes, supported intellectual pursuits (paving the way for modernizing asia), and various other awesome things that are definitely not evil. He was raised by a warrior people who gained the highest familial honors by defeating his enemies.

This is why this quote is both hilarious and telling of his culture:

"Man's greatest good fortune is to chase and defeat his enemy, seize his total possessions, leave his married women weeping and wailing, ride his gelding, use his women as a nightshirt and support, gazing upon and kissing their rosy breasts, sucking their lips which are as sweet as the berries of their breasts."

That's hilarious! 😆

This one time...he was about to attack a city and the didn't want to go through the attack so Khan demanded they send out 1000 birds and 1000 cats as offerings. They did so and he attached burning cloth to their tails, causing them to run back to the city, lighting many things on fire. He swept in in the aftermath of the fires and quickly defeated the remaining people. That's genius! They did not want to give up but they didn't want to fight, either...so he thought of the quickest way to preserve the most men in his ranks. Sure, it sounds evil, but to his people, that makes him a hero because of his care for his own men's lives. Yet, he's evil to outsiders because he was successful.

Some consider America to be even more evil than people like Vlad and Khan because of our activities in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yes, our soldiers have tortured, raped, pillaged, and murdered (not all murders have to be war crimes, from certain perspectives. Some people consider the collateral damage to be atrocious murder and much worse than Vlad trying to deter his enemies specifically because of our "motivations" and "reasons" behind our actions). We did the same in Vietnam. And we call those evil things. It's all a giant mess of what people consider "evil" with nothing really being truly evil until one proves moral absolutism.

Until then, it's just varying levels of human actions with different groups labeling the actions of others.

Mayuri? He's just a scientist that has CIS turned off. 😆 😆

The burning thing he did? Just learning about the convictions that he Quincy codes of conduct offer. He made reference to the psychological state of the Quincy multiple times to Ishida during his psychological barrage against Ishida to throw Ishida off or enrage him into making mistakes.

Check this out: Mayuri was doing that on ORDERS! He was trying to destroy the evil terrorist invaders on orders! See, he's not so bad. 🙂

Hitler? Some of the things he did was good. But I cannot overlook the very illogical actions against the jews. People would LIKE to say his actions against the jews were similar to Vlad's actions against the Boyer...but that's not even remotely close. The Boyer were clearly destroying the Romanian peoples and taking advantage of them. Had Vlad not done something about it...he would have not gained any support and would have been quickly overthrown/killed just like his predecessors. Germans? They just needed something to blame when they needed to blame the Allied Powers (WW I) that made the decisions against Germany (which they did).

Originally posted by Nephthys
False analogy. A horse isn't a sapient being. It is an animal. Nemu is a thinking, feeling being.

Boy, you walked right into that one, didn't you? 😄 I was hoping you would fall for this trap.

You fail to fundamentally understand the entire discussion on what constitutes "person-hood" or even why there is such a debate.

A horse is a thinking, feeling, being. The line you are drawing is arbitrary and complete bullshit: your point is completely worthless and should be thrown out as "laymen ignorance." I'm not even kidding. Basically, you just proved my point of your entire argument not being provable in the real world, in the slightest. Maybe this will teach you to stop using ignorance and "argumentum ad populum" as your debating tactics but instead make you judge a fictional universe by only the fictional universe's rules?

I think not. You're Nephthys.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Whether she is human or not should not come into play in the slightest.

It should, by you're own faulty accounts. Additionally, it should since full-fledged spirits, as I mentioned prior, WERE relegated to second class beings.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Even by your own rules we've a) seen nothing to suggest she is a second class citizen and

The fact that Mayuri can do as he pleases with her suggest, without a small doubt, that she is at least subject to him. Considering I already named a group of spirits that are every bit as developed as any other...being relegated to second class people in SS is also suggesting of her possibly not having all that affords SS peoples. Yeah, I made this point already. And, yes, if you talk about it again, I won't respond. 🙂

Originally posted by Nephthys
b) seen nothing to suggest SS allows captains to abuse their subordinates.

Wrong: I've already shown you that they can. Stop trolling. If you genuinely did not remember that I've already shown you that...dude...take some nootropic or something.

Originally posted by Nephthys
By the way, that sentence doesn't make any sense. 🙂

It makes perfect sense if you realize that this phrase:

"subject to the rule of her captain up to and including death"

Is the object of this phrase:

"is some how this monstrous evil you are trying to create from your own world of norms."

Meaning, "her" is not the object but the entire phrase which forms a thought is the object. The state of "being subject to the rule of the captain up to and including death" is the monstrous evil.

I apologize that you were not taught that objects can be entire phrases rather than just pronouns and nouns.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm still waiting for proof on this. So far you have given none.

I've provided it. I'm waiting on counter-proof. Where is your proof that shows a contradiction that the subordinates are not subject to near absolute rule of their captains?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Near genocide is not genocide.

Then I apologize for your ignorance:

"Article 2

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. "

Granted, most people do not know what real genocide means. They think it means the utter destruction of a people but genocide can simply be the cultural destruction or even intellectual suppression of a particular group. What SS did with the Quincy is genocide at its highest. It would appear that only one family survived the ordeal. Partially thanks to the efforts of Mayuri???? (That's a serious question.)

Originally posted by Nephthys
Besides, as Aura and Mayuri both have proven, by the time Mayuri was put in charge the Quincy had already lost and they were no longer hunted. I've alredy provided evidence that he had to bribe the shinigami in order to get his hands on Ishida's grandfather and he says 'them' so he's clearly done it more than once. So no, his actions were not legitimised by Soul Society nor di he only go after their enemies.

This is a red herring to the actual point and I've already called you on it. 🙂 Nice try.

To respond, "them" is just one family unless you can prove otherwise. Not going after "only their enemies" may be true, but you are thinking of exception when the rule is what I've stated. I can think of exceptions to just about any statement of absolutes. Don't you think you should move beyond your petty arguments and just accept that you're trying too hard to be right?

To directly address your point:

Prove that SS knew they were Quincy and Mayuri just didn't have inside information on them being Quincy? 🙂

Prove that SS was no longer harsh towards the Quincy.

Prove that SS knew that there were surviving Quincy.

Prove that SS would not have taken action against the surviving Quincy IF they knew about them.

Prove that the Quincy even revealed themselves to SS (because they seemed to remain very damn secretive).

Prove that Mayuri was not researching Ishida's grandfather and it was only for getting his sick torture fetish jollies.

Prove that Mayuri's research into the last remaining Quincy (ishida's grandfather) is not known by any of the other squads, the captain commander, and Central 46.

That's a lot of stuff you have to prove to justify your opinion that he his evil in SS, now isn't it? 🙂

Or we could just go with my reason (which is supported) that SS tolerates his no morals scientific research due to it being for SS, in the end.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, because forcing a father to burn his son to death is really going to open up the mysteries of the universe. I'm sure it was truely informative. 🙄

Prove that he learned nothing about the Quincy when he had that done.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well I just re-read you're entire argument and I can't see it. You've [b]said they allowed it. Alot. But you havn't actually proven anything. Care to point me in the right direction big boy?[/B]

I really don't care that fail. That's your problem.

But, I understand (after many conversations with you) that you are very difficult to debate with (not because you are stubborn, but because you are not very smart and have a hard time remembering things. That makes it difficult to have any sort of decent discussion with you beyond superficial conversation and small statements.)

Kenpachi made reference to being able to punish subordinates. Death is allowed, obviously, because Mayuri killed his subordinates.

The burden of proof is on YOU to prove that they cannot kill their subordinates. We already know a level of punishment is allowed because Kenpachi implicitly tells Mayuri that he's not allowed to punish members that are not part of his squad. That "punishment" was obviously going to be "torture to death" or at least "torture until he reveals the truth" for Ikkaku.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No I didn't. You said 'what are they going to do, complain?' And then I said 'why can't they?' Those.... are not the same things. 😬

I apologize that you lack the comprehension to understand why it's a similar question.

Are they going to complain?

Why can't they complain?

What will complaining accomplish?

These are all the same question because they have the same answer: nothing will happen.

Prove that something will happen when we already know #1 is true.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You'll need to prove #1 first.

I did.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Murdering someone is a universal crime. It's in ever single country in the world. Why are you assuming is SS different?

Besides which is the fact that their entire organisation is based around the preservation of life.

Wow, you reveal your ignorance, yet again.

Murder is a crime because murder is defined as a crime.

Killing is not necessarily murder because murder is a type of killing that is illegal.

These are legal terms.

So when you say "murder is universally a crime" that's like saying a crime is a crime: that's tautological and stupid.

But, I think I know why you said that: you where hoping that I wasn't aware of this distinction and would avoid the argument or admit fault? How transparent and immature of you. You didn't think I would at LEAST call you out on "argumentum ad populum" when I have used it more than twice against you already? Did you even think this point through?

If the killing is not defined as illegal, it is not murder. Since the squad members are almost completely under the jurisdiction of their captain up to and including "punishment" that can lead to death, yeah, SS allows the killing of subordinates. What cannot be supported is that SS does NOT allow the killing of subordinates because that is not even close to being supportable: the other is.

Originally posted by Nephthys
By pretty much every single definition that exists in this world actually. Oh snap, wh4t now!?

Though if youre sincerely curious....

And you prove your ignorance yet again.

He is not outwardly trying to mask his disregard for the lives of potential test subjects. Trying to mask your lack of empathy is a major portion of what constitutes psychopathy.

He also tries to mask his EMPATHY towards people he cares about: just the opposite of a psychopath. He cares for Urahara and his lieutenant.

You also would need to prove that he lacks the ability (below a certain threshold) to properly recognize emotions in facial expressions beyond the population average. A tall order which is impossible. Also consider that he deliberately was trying to get under the skin of Ishida, Szayel, and Retsu Unohana. That suggests, alone, intimate knowledge of how people work and makes a strong case against a disconnected being. Sure, he does not care about the lives of his test subjects but the line being drawn for Mayuri regarding this is one of hypocrisy when you implicitly support other scientists who disregard the lives of THEIR test subjects. Just because society thinks it's okay to torture rats to death, does not make it more right than torturing a human to death...if both are for scientific research. They both are wrong in their own ways.

Additionally, you yet again try to play word games at the cost of "argumentum ad populum."

And for being "anti-social" he seems to follow orders fairly well.

So what did we learn about your point? You are fairly clueless when it comes to psychology. That's understandable as I am too: neither you nor I are psychologists.

In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say that despite that fact that you've made it obvious that you are not aware of the "great debate" on what constitutes person-hood and what constitutes murder....NEITHER DO I! 😆 We are extreme light-weights compared to those that invest their professional time into those discussions. Sure, it may seem like I'm more aware of those debates, but only superficially. The only different between you and I is I don't try to pass off my retarded opinions (I have retarded opinions, just the same as you...so I'm directing that statement at BOTH of us) as inexorable truths.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Mayuri legitimately rose to Captain because Uruhara was thick enough to make him his no2. from then on we have no proof that they knew about his behaviour, especially as I've given you proof that he concealed it.

Correction: Urahara was SMART enough to see how useful he could be to SS.

Also....WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG! 😆

He was the only one locked up in the maggot's nest in solitary confinement! 😆

Obviously, SS knew how dangerous he could be when left unchecked. It was through Urahara's wisdom that he was released and used as a tool for SS.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It does, you're just too lazy to scroll up and make the connection.

Oh, I know. 😉 I know I was supposed to apply to other sections but you should at least make an effort to quote the proper sections when replying.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I pointed out that you've been lax in proving your point that they're aware of his actions, you responded that you've proven everything and that your argument is flawless and that I can't hope to stop you now, so I asked you to provide this proof that you say you've already provided. Simple.

Jesus keep up.

lol, YOU tell ME to keep up? 😆

Also, did and done. You just couldn't keep up.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So.... you [b]can't provide the evidence then?

Cool. Why didn't you just say that in the first place, jeez. 🙄[/B]

Did. You're just trolling. If you PM me and tell me that you legitimately do not know what I'm talking about when I say you've proven your point for yourself, already...then I will humor you. The best way to disarm a troll is to force them to take their troll fest in private. If you are truly not trolling and genuinely are not aware of how blatantly trollish this particular portion of our conversation is...I'm willing to indulge you ONLY in PMs.

Honestly, I don't think you're that stupid. I think you're just flat out playing the fool to troll.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Murder is a universal crime. You hiding behind the moral subjectivity argument does not in any way justify his crimes.

Covered this already. No need for me to address it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, there is no definitive 'Evil' stamp on his forehead, but the reality of his actions speak for themselves. He callously tortures others and gains great satisfaction and enjoyment from it.

DOES he get enjoyment from it or DOES He get enjoyment from scientific research. I have not seen him say he enjoys torturing people to death just for the torturing of the person: he enjoys unlocking mysteries and truths about stuff.

If you are going to say that he enjoyed it due to his psychological barrage against, Ishida, I'll just say an alternative interpretation of that exchange was just him playing a game of psychological chess against Ishida. Additionally, how much "torture" he actually did is questionable. He may not have done any of that stuff and just said it to make Ishida made.

I don't think we can know for certain using your requirement of proof for everything.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He forces a man to murder his own son. He shows Ishida a picture of his grandfathers mutilated and severed head. Why teh fvck was he even carrying that around? By the rules of society, psychology and philosophy, his actions are capital E [b]EVIL. There is no justification for his actions. All of yours have failed. He's a crazed murderer.[/B]

It's obvious why he was carrying it around: he is a genius. He researches the shit out of his opponents before he fights them. He probably took that picture with him JUST to piss Ishida off. Your measure of his "badness" can be applied to the mutilation scientists do to animals, already, and your only retort is one of person-hood which I've shown to be a fail of an argument, anyway.

By philsophy? No. Sorry, that's where you could not be anymore wrong. Psychology? Not even there as it's nebulous and debatable to the bitter end. Society? Ours? SURE! This is where you and I agree. SS's? Nah. Maybe they detest some of his methods, but he's not considered evil. He's actually one of the good guys. 😐

So what did we learn? All of your arguments have failed, he's not crazy, and he's not a murderer. He's a killer, for sure. 😉

Originally posted by Nephthys
His actions are far and away more cruel, callous and evil than the other characters in the series.

Some of the other characters, his methods are cruel and callous, for sure.

Originally posted by Nephthys
By the way you yourself are committing the argumentum ad logicam fallacy. 🙂

You obviously have no idea what that actually means.

I have no called your argument wrong because the proof you are using to support your argument is wrong.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I count one.

Then you need to count again.

Here's a hint:
horses
lab rats

Originally posted by Nephthys
Which is not what we're arguing.

Yes it is. We were never arguing our own personal or what society dictates as "evil". It was always in the context of SS's assessment. It is your own fault for continually trying to turn this argument into a pile of shit when I have, multiple times, indicated directly and indirectly not o.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Or religious. I'd be careful here, you might say something you'll regret.

Yes, let's take that statement out of context of that particular portion of the conversation and apply it universally: that has GOT to be the best comeback for that statement, right? 😐

Originally posted by Nephthys
Ask me if I care. I can provide source after source backing up my assessment of Mayuri's character. I don't mind. But at the end of the day, his actions by every concievable scale are more monstrous than those around him. So I'll still win the argument.

Even after all of this time of discussing why you simply don't get it...and you still don't get it?

You are definitely far worse than RJ. There is no one else as bad as you are at being ignorantly bull-headed on KMC.

After all we have discussed and you still say things like "his actions by every concievable scale are more monstrous than those around him. So I'll still win the argument."

Originally posted by Nephthys
How the fvck is it a red herring? You're attempting to claim legitimacy or his actions by claiming their legal. I prove they're not and suddenly I'm off topic! Bullshit. Admit that you're wrong.

I did not claim they were legal, ever. The legality is dubious, at best. Additionally, I had no reference to what that referred to, at all, in the chronology of Bleach. I took it for face value because the statement didn't even make sense.

I am only wrong in the time reference and interpretation of that event. As AA later clarified, it makes absolute sense and did not support your argument, at all.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How the fvck is it a red herring? You're attempting to claim legitimacy or his actions by claiming their legal. I prove they're not and suddenly I'm off topic! Bullshit. Admit that you're wrong.

I did not claim they were legal, ever. The legality is dubious, at best. Additionally, I had no reference to what that referred to, at all, in the chronology of Bleach. I took it for face value because the statement didn't even make sense.

I am only wrong in the time reference and interpretation of that event. As AA later clarified, it makes absolute sense and did not support your argument, at all.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh, you did. Oh snap! Now you just need to wise up about the rest of your argument.

I'm not even remotely close to being as bull-headed as you are: I can admit fault.

Now I just need you to fess-up that "evil" is in the eye of the beholder.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The MVF is (rightly) regarded by the other sub-forums as being a complete dung heap. I scarcely believe I've made it any worse. Unless we're using the moral reletivist argument that intelligence = crap. In which case I freely confess to the crime.

I never said you made it any worse. That was a tad pretentious of you. I simply did not want you to bring the same shitty posting style from the MVF in here. That place has had some awesome and some very shitty discussions. You turn into an absolute shit when you get in there. I do not like that posting style of yours. It wasn't until this conversation that you turned into the MVF monster. Outside of the MVF? You're awesome and I never had any problems with you. I even LIKED you as a poster. Since the MVF? I consider you like a pregnant woman (this is not sexist: if you've every been around a pregnant woman, you'd know what this meant) ready to rage at any moment.

Additionally, I see what you did there.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Edit: I can see where you coming from. I really can. I myself most often side with the moral relativist side of things, though I still think you're insane with the Mengele talk. But I'm still going to argue against you simply because over the course of the past months I've come to pretty much hate you. So, yeah....

Shit.

Damnit.

I hate you. 😐

That was all I wanted you to say. I agree that Mayuri is a monster but SS does not deem the same as you and I: he's one of the good guys. That's all I wanted from you. That's it. I don't care about anything else, I just wanted to establish that Mayuri is not some sort of "evil character" to most the people in Bleach. to Ishida and his father? Probably he's an ultimate evil. Everyone else? He's a mad scientist.

This is also the longest reply to anything I've ever done anywhere. This is why I say, "Damn you."

Man.

Dadudemon's posts have gotten way too long for me to even consider entering this debate.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Duels to the death are obviously exceptions rather than the rule. IIRC the only one we've even heard about is when Kenpachi challenged the previous captain. Plus theres a reason Squad 11 is regarded as being fvcking crazy by the rest of SS.

I don't know about that. Duels to the death are uncommon, for sure, so I guess we agree there.

That boy said he was afraid of the 11th division, for sure, because hey are a bunch of Nazi SS (pun intended) solidiers.

Generally, I consider Soul Society to be a combination of Nazi, edo-era Japanese, and Italian fascist customs and government system. It's not that great of a system and is really just a shitty place, overall. This could be why someone like Mayuri is tolerated to the point of being one of the major leaders of SS.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Man.

Dadudemon's posts have gotten way too long for me to even consider entering this debate.

Considering I pretty much agree with you, I'd say there's really no debate to be had between us.

You can address this post:

Is Mayuri considered criminally evil by SS or is he a tolerated mad scientist? I don't care about the real world because we ALL agree that he's evil by our own personal measures. Obviously, I think SS deems him just as a mad scientist but not criminally evil (any longer.)

Originally posted by dadudemon

Shit.

Damnit.

I hate you. 😐

I hate you too. ♠ 😍

I'm not replying btw. At this point we're not even arguing about the same thing.

Edit: Horses are not thinking beings. 😐

Edit x 2 combo!:

'Prove that SS knew they were Quincy and Mayuri just didn't have inside information on them being Quincy? '

Ishida's grandfather had been talking with the SS and trying to convince them that Quincies were needed as fast response to Hollows.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I hate you too. ♠ 😍

I'm not replying btw. At this point we're not even arguing about the same thing.

Agreed. I wanted to delete everything I had just typed out when I got to the end of all of those posts when you said you usually argue for moral relativism. I decided to keep it because someone somewhere might care to read all of that bullshit.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Edit: Horses are not thinking beings. 😐

What do you mean "thinking" because, yes, Horses are thinking beings. So are rats. So are most fish. Anything that has a "brain" and can retrieve memories from that brain and act on those memories in conjunction with how their genetics tell them to act (duel influences), then, yes, that organism is a thinking being. Are there other scientific definitions of what constitutes "thinking" because I'm always up for learning something new.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Edit x 2 combo!:

'Prove that SS knew they were Quincy and Mayuri just didn't have inside information on them being Quincy? '

Ishida's grandfather had been talking with the SS and trying to convince them that Quincies were needed as fast response to Hollows.

Serious question: do we know if that "group" referred to in the portion you are talking about...do we know if that is the same group as Ishida, his father, and his Grandfather? Or was it a different group? I say it was a different group excluding "Granpa" because Mayuri got his hands on them and dissected them.

I agree that Soken was in contact with SS thus proving that they were aware of his group (but we already knew that), but that does not prove that SS had become "nice" to them, yet.