The Official BLEACH series Thread

Originally posted by dadudemon
The key wording here is "able to". Those others aren't nearly strong enough to fight Aizen. Hell, even Ichigo isn't strong enough. I don't know about his Vizard from. But, if his Vizard form actually scaled properly, he'd be stronger than Yamamoto. However, there's continuity errors in Ichigo's powers.

His second Vizard form (that's what I call it...the one where he fought Ulq) should easily destroy any character that has ever been in Bleach, but, that's not how Kubo will sacle it. He will "degrade" that form or a form that is close to it in power, just to keep the story intersting. Just the same as Kubo giving Kenpachi a massive power amp to be of any use.

Aizen still has to reveal his Bankai. Who knows what that is capable of.

Really? I don't remember that being said.

She mentions that "All of Kisuke Urahara's group" as well as "Everyone on Earth who could possibly fight him" have seen the Shikai. That was my point. Unohana obviously knows about the existence of Ichigo's friends, and she mentions Arrancars (alongside Espada; both these groups are not as powerful as Aizen, that is certainly the case with the Arrancars), so power level has nothing to do with my question, or rather, high power level has nothing to do with this.

She also fails to take into account Tosen, though she probably believes that he will not betray Aizen.

(Aizen has yet to reveal his Bankai. For all we know, it might have more HAX abilities). Ichigo might have a fight on his hands if he tries to stop Aizen from releasing his Shikai. Though I have a feeling Aizen will use his Shikai anyway, and Ichigo will somehow overcome it, perhaps with help.

I dunno if I mis-read Uluqiorra's words or if I read a poorly translated version. I'll try to look for it though.

...Is Ichigo supposed to fight him with his eyes closed or something? 😐

Because Ichigo cannot realistically stop Aizen from using his Shikai.

Originally posted by NemeBro
...Is Ichigo supposed to fight him with his eyes closed or something? 😐

Because Ichigo cannot realistically stop Aizen from using his Shikai.

Maybe he'll pull a Naruto and stop him from even being able to draw it 😛

But Tite Kubo is not as bad a writer as Kishimoto (Low standards lawl) so that won't happen. 🙂

Lawl, Ichigo just mind-****ed Mayuri. That was actually kinda badass/clever of him. He seems to have taken a few levels in badass recently I've noticed.

Yammy continues to be nothing short of a joke.

didn't he see his shikai??

didn't he slash Aizen only to find out it was an illusion?

or do you have to see him release it?

No Aizen was just that leet when he pwned Ichigo, it was no illusion.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lawl, Ichigo just mind-****ed Mayuri. That was actually kinda badass/clever of him. He seems to have taken a few levels in badass recently I've noticed.

Yammy continues to be nothing short of a joke.

It seems that Kisuke is Mayuri's trigger. Now if only Uryuu would figure that out hmm

Originally posted by stickman618
didn't he see his shikai??

didn't he slash Aizen only to find out it was an illusion?

or do you have to see him release it?

Aizen releases his Shikai. Whoever sees it is basically f***ed. Every single time Aizen releases his shikai after the initial one, that person will be trapped in an illusion of Aizen's choice.

So far, Aizen has only used it to make his enemies attack a fake Aizen (in battle), and yet, he could do so much more with it.

Ichigo will most likely get caught. Then he'll go hollow mode and break out of the illusion, or he'll have help. Meh. It'd be stupid if Aizen falls without revealing his Shikai, even though he's frighteningly strong without it.

that's why i think Tosen will betray him and strike the final blow

On an un-related note, I hope that Uryu could somehow attain Final Form again. It says that human bodies cannot hold that much power for that long, though perhaps if he were somehow able to use his soul (similar to the Shinigami) he could attain Final Form without having to risk losing his Quincy Powers.

And I just realized, Final Form is stupendously powerful. Someone who uses this form holds 'dominance' over spiritrons/reishi (all spiritual objects are composed of this including Shinigami).
So that is basically like a form of Matter Manipulation. Using this, he could tear apart anything connected to the Spiritual Plane, including Shinigami (even Captain Level opponents) with ease.

Originally posted by stickman618
that's why i think Tosen will betray him and strike the final blow

Hopefully. That is better than Ichigo delivering the final strike, but at the same time, it would seem anti-climatic; unless Tousen fights Aizen for a long time, though that would be easier said than done.

all I kno is Kenny is owning Yammy

Just a little Bleach-related clip vid I made
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Originally posted by Kris Blaze
What dadudemon said.

Ichigo basically become a top-captain at the end of the Soul Society. Grimmjaw was supposedly so strong that Ichigo w/bankai couldn't even cut him. Then wham bam, all the Captains are at least as strong as Grimmjaw. ****ing stupid.

Originally posted by danteiscool
Kubo had to do something to keep them from being slaughtered man.

Yup. You guys know.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
She mentions that "All of Kisuke Urahara's group" as well as "Everyone on Earth who could possibly fight him" have seen the Shikai. That was my point. Unohana obviously knows about the existence of Ichigo's friends, and she mentions Arrancars (alongside Espada; both these groups are not as powerful as Aizen, that is certainly the case with the Arrancars), so power level has nothing to do with my question, or rather, high power level has nothing to do with this.

She also fails to take into account Tosen, though she probably believes that he will not betray Aizen.

(Aizen has yet to reveal his Bankai. For all we know, it might have more HAX abilities). Ichigo might have a fight on his hands if he tries to stop Aizen from releasing his Shikai. Though I have a feeling Aizen will use his Shikai anyway, and Ichigo will somehow overcome it, perhaps with help.

I dunno if I mis-read Uluqiorra's words or if I read a poorly translated version. I'll try to look for it though.

She also mentions that Ichigo has captain class spirit power (reiryoku). There are others that have not seen it, but are not captain class in power. That was really my point.

Ichigo is fulfills both traits:

1. "Strong enough" to fight Aizen.

2. Has not seen his Shikai.

Originally posted by Luminatus
Just a little Bleach-related clip vid I made
YouTube video

Wow. I don't believe I'm saying this, but, the Japanese voice acting for bleach is better than the English dub.

Also, Kukaku is just a man better. They should just call her "mistress."

Your point makes sense, I was never arguing against that. What I am ranting about is the fact that she thinks that Uryuu and the others have seen his Shikai. Which was tied to my original question.

Then there's the part where she forgets about Tousen. It strikes me as odd, as she was the one who first realized that Tousen was working for Aizen.

~ Just to clarify, as I may be assuming too much, who falls under 'Kisuke Urahara's group'? I'm assuming that Sado, Orihime and Uryuu are in that group.
Besides, if Uryu were to attain Final Form as a permanent amp akin to Bankai, he could WTF pwn any opponent.

Originally posted by yungz22
all I kno is Kenny is owning Yammy

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Your point makes sense, I was never arguing against that. What I am ranting about is the fact that she thinks that Uryuu and the others have seen his Shikai. Which was tied to my original question.

Then there's the part where she forgets about Tousen. It strikes me as odd, as she was the one who first realized that Tousen was working for Aizen.

~ Just to clarify, as I may be assuming too much, who falls under 'Kisuke Urahara's group'? I'm assuming that Sado, Orihime and Uryuu are in that group.
Besides, if Uryu were to attain Final Form as a permanent amp akin to Bankai, he could WTF pwn any opponent.

Maybe she knows something we don't?

Maybe right after Ichigo was cut and nearly dieded, he busted out his shikai.

Also, maybe they are a non-factor as none of Ichigo's friends are strong enough to fight Aizen.

Maybe her criteria was my two points.

Being strong enough to fight with Aizen AND not having seen his Shikai.

Also, I think you're over-estimating the Quincy's final form. He can't pull in the "spirit particles" fast enough to stop such violent explosions as seen by that hallow form that fought 2nd form Ulq. Also, wouldn't his storage thingie run out of space against someone as monstrous as Kenpachi? Kenpachi has so much that it leaks out and half is captured by his patch...or something. Kenpachi could just pull a Revenge of Cooler type of scenario where the 2 super saiyans overloaded his energy capacity. His little quincy bow thingie wouuld have to have a finite limit or else it would create a black hole.

Think of it this way: Susanoo does not have infiinite protection. There is a limit. We saw a rib crack on a form that wasn't fully complete. We can't say that susanoo can withstand an infinite amount of blunt force, as that would be incorrect. Same with the Quincy's storage of spirit energy: it will have a limit. If he didn't use his energy, he'd eventually explode.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Wow. I don't believe I'm saying this, but, the Japanese voice acting for bleach is better than the English dub.

Also, Kukaku is just a man better. They should just call her "mistress."

Humbug. Johnny Yung Bosch cannot be beat. Especially as Hichigo.
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Though my personal favorite English VA is Tony Oliver as Ulquiorra.
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Originally posted by King Kandy
He is such a joke. He has no durability at all, any time anyone cuts him it's like, there goes an arm, there goes a leg, I mean what is he made of, butter? He has no regeneration either so he will just end up getting carved like a turkey. I hope to god he has something better than this.