]Nate Grey VS Phoenix[

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and you obviously dont know much about the origin of the marvel multiverse, TOAA created the infinite being and the true beyonders, the infinte being got bored of its loneliness and infinte power and comitted suicide, its energies created the multiverse.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
[quote]Originally posted by Mider
Supposidly the infinity gems were also one single entity who killed himself out of lonlyness

(Ultraforce I#10(fb)) - As told by Diana of the Dark Shoppe to the Black Knight: "Many millennia ago in your universe, there was a god with the power of infinity. Even with control of all that is, the god's loneliness could not be soothed. By his own hand he died. His body shattered into gems, each representing a gift he possessed: Power, Time, Reality, Space, Mind, and Soul. Any person who becomes a gem host gains the infinite power of that gem."

The being that killed himself out of lonliness became the Infinity Gems.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
well unfortunately, toaa and the infinite being, along with the heart of the universe and the true beyonders were never retconned in accordance with the pheonix.

You really dont have a clue do you? 😂

The retcon means that phoenix once again is responsible for creation so any ideas about creation prior to that are out the window and not current continuity. The retcon places ideas over previous ideas. Thats how it works. Since 2002 phoenix is once again declared the force responsible for creation and a connection to the supreme being is once again made so that means those ideas take prominence over what was there before. Just like what happened to the Beyonder. Deal with it.

Test Tube Baby goes down.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You really dont have a clue do you? 😂

The retcon means that phoenix once again is responsible for creation so any ideas about creation prior to that are out the window and not current continuity. The retcon places ideas over previous ideas. Thats how it works. Since 2002 phoenix is once again declared the force responsible for creation and a connection to the supreme being is once again made so that means those ideas take prominence over what was there before. Just like what happened to the Beyonder. Deal with it.

Please Post the Scan I've asked for 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Silly boy. When you post a scan that proves Franklin can create something greater than pocket universes then you'd be on the brink of having a point. Creation is used to describe all that is below/beyond the afterlife/ the white hot room. Adam Warlock may be beyond the 616 universe or the multiverse but he is still within creation im afraid. Good attempt though. Bravo!!

Not everyone has access to a scanner. Ive listed the comics for you. They are easily downloaded. I have done all i am obligated to do. Why dont you put the effort into trying to prove me wrong and check up on those references ive given you? 😱

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! a little more grey matter and even your tiny excuse for a brain would have figured out that i had stated in a previous post that i am arguing with you PRECISELY because i have read the comics and none of them say anything resembling ur claims, just to add to your amazing insolence, you go ahead and say that warlock is inside the bounds of creation while beeing outside the multiverse? even when he wasnt affected by the destruction of the multiverse by thanos with the heart of the universe{oh yea incidently, why didnt JEAN as the avatar of the pheonix and one with the white crown survive the destruction of the multiverse?....something worth pondering over im sure}.

and ofcourse your wrong again in the definition of creation, eternity has been described as the concept of creation, same goes for the cosmic egg, the infinite being and TOAA,{and these were occasions where the WORD was used}, entropy was the force that gave birth to CREATION after entropy and genisvell destroyed the main marvel universe{and jean along with it}

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Please Post the Scan I've asked for 🙂

I can see the answer now:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not everyone has access to a scanner. Ive listed the comics for you. They are easily downloaded. I have done all i am obligated to do. Why dont you put the effort into trying to prove me wrong and check up on those references ive given you? 😱

Hmm. . . 😕

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
I didn't notice a spelling mistake, as everyone on here knows I am dyslexic, what spelling mistake did I pick up 😕

Originally posted by Creshosk
I can see the answer now:

Hmm. . . 😕

Indeed 🙂

Your original post

Originally posted by wannabe
Isn't it fact, that Eternity is personification of universe 616...the universe Phoenix recreated?
Isn't it logical to AT LEAST take it from this, that Phoenixes power of creation is superior to that of Eternity?!

I don't know much about LT, but isn't he something like a regulating force for the omniverse, third only to HOTU and TOAA?
Phoenix is definitly a regulative and creative force with access(the White Hot Room) to the omniverse herself. It even seems, that one is safe from the creation shattering results of "House of M" in the Phoenixforces White Hot Room.
So it's rather safe to say, Phoenix(full powered) is surely on par with LT.
She is taking advise and orders from something superior.
Since the only entities superior to LT(to my knowledge) are HOTU and TOAA and HOTU is not conscious, we can assume, that Phoenix is taking her orders from TOAA.

My reply

The HOTU is an entity hmmmmmmm........is it?

The White hot room is in the Crystal which is where I see a paradox coming on with this line of thinking..............Which is hardly suprising where Phoenix is concerned

Basically looking for clarification 😖hifty: 🙂

Originally posted by wannabe
What's your reason for exactly knowing what i want to say(which i assume, cause you seem rather intelligent) and still taking a simple mistake in spelling as a beachhead for a TRY to invalidate otherwise logical resoning?!
❌

Happy to answer your origianl post if you can tell me what your question is 🙂

Originally posted by leonheartmm
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! a little more grey matter and even your tiny excuse for a brain would have figured out that i had stated in a previous post that i am arguing with you PRECISELY because i have read the comics and none of them say anything resembling ur claims, just to add to your amazing insolence, you go ahead and say that warlock is inside the bounds of creation while beeing outside the multiverse? even when he wasnt affected by the destruction of the multiverse by thanos with the heart of the universe{oh yea incidently, why didnt JEAN as the avatar of the pheonix and one with the white crown survive the destruction of the multiverse?....something worth pondering over im sure}.

and ofcourse your wrong again in the definition of creation, eternity has been described as the concept of creation, same goes for the cosmic egg, the infinite being and TOAA,{and these were occasions where the WORD was used}, entropy was the force that gave birth to CREATION after entropy and genisvell destroyed the main marvel universe{and jean along with it}

The fact that you believe Thanos destroyed the multiverse with HOTU shows just how good you are at understanding events in comics. No wonder you cant see what im talking about. That is if you even have read them in the first place 😂 Its common knowledge that he merely absorbed the 616 reality get with it son. You didnt even understand what the term retcon entails 😂

The term creation by definition refers to everythin below/beyond the afterlife/white hot room therefore it can be used to describe both a universe and a multiverse. I know its in a comic book Leon but the words still have the same meaning in the real world 🙄 😆

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""entropy was the force that gave birth to CREATION after entropy and genisvell destroyed the main marvel universe{and jean along with it}""""""""""""""""""""""""

Can noone get the explanation of retcon into this boys head. 😕

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt

The White hot room is in the Crystal which is where I see a paradox coming on with this line of thinking..............Which is hardly suprising where Phoenix is concerned

I belive this still stands:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It is what it is. Whirly despite how messed up you think it might be. Despite the contradictions the concepts bring about. Thats a fault with the writers. Personal thoughts and feelings dont really come into it. Thats all your counters are based on. So they dont hold much weight. 🙁

We just relate whats in the comics. If its messed up its through no fault of our own and of no consequence. Current continuity is what it is.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The fact that you believe Thanos destroyed the multiverse with HOTU shows just how good you are at understanding events in comics. No wonder you cant see what im talking about. That is if you even have read them in the first place 😂 Its common knowledge that he merely absorbed the 616 reality get with it son. You didnt even understand what the term retcon entails 😂

The term creation by definition refers to everythin below/beyond the afterlife/white hot room therefore it can be used to describe both a universe and a multiverse. I know its in a comic book Leon but the words still have the same meaning in the real world 🙄 😆

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""entropy was the force that gave birth to CREATION after entropy and genisvell destroyed the main marvel universe{and jean along with it}""""""""""""""""""""""""

Can noone get the explanation of retcon into this boys head. 😕

how can they, when they cant teach a man to stop crying for his baba?

by your definition there should also be a creator of TOAA. 🙂

and are you denying what thanos did,?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The fact that you believe Thanos destroyed the multiverse with HOTU shows just how good you are at understanding events in comics. No wonder you cant see what im talking about. That is if you even have read them in the first place 😂 Its common knowledge that he merely absorbed the 616 reality get with it son. You didnt even understand what the term retcon entails 😂

The term creation by definition refers to everythin below/beyond the afterlife/white hot room therefore it can be used to describe both a universe and a multiverse. I know its in a comic book Leon but the words still have the same meaning in the real world 🙄 😆

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""entropy was the force that gave birth to CREATION after entropy and genisvell destroyed the main marvel universe{and jean along with it}""""""""""""""""""""""""

Can noone get the explanation of retcon into this boys head. 😕

entropy did what? 😕

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_%28disambiguation%29

Originally posted by leonheartmm
how can they, when they cant teach a man to stop crying for his baba?

by your definition there should also be the creator of TOAA. 🙂

Why the smug smilie i dont know what on earth youre talking about 😂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Why the smug smilie i dont know what on earth youre talking about 😂

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
entropy did what? 😕

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_%28disambiguation%29

I think you need to direct that at Leon if you look at the long line of quotation marks you'll see that was his statement. 🙄

entropy destroyed the universe and killed eternity with genisvell's help, then him apiphany and rick jones stood in the void of nothingness, entropy asked genis vell what it should do next, and genis vell told him to CREATE, and apparently thats all that entropy knew, and had learnt from its father, eternity, so entropy recreated CREATION and thus the universe all over again and became the new eternity in the process.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
entropy destroyed the universe and killed eternity with genisvell's help, then him apiphany and rick jones stood in the void of nothingness, entropy asked genis vell what it should do next, and genis vell told him to CREATE, and apparently thats all that entropy knew, and had learnt from its father, eternity, so entropy recreated CREATION and thus the universe all over again and became the new eternity in the process.

Not his job in current continuity. Someone please get retcon into this boys skull.

Creation by its definition can refer to both the multiverse and the universe so the point youre trying to make is mute. 🙁

Oh the being entropy, I understand now🙂 sorry Leon yes he did 🙂

Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Oh the being entropy, I understand now🙂 sorry Leon yes he did 🙂

Good come back nicely covered 😂