Originally posted by Creshosk
I rather doubt that humans are born with the literary skills they implement later in life, but thats a discussion of another color.
yes but they are posessed of genetic intelligence in the parts of the brain which is concerned with speech handling, which lets youngsters instantly grasp onto the varying vibrations that we call sound.and which helps them to later make out meningful sentences instead of blabber.
Originally posted by leonheartmmBut that's not the skills themselves. Those come from learning how to use what we ARE born with.
yes but they are posessed of genetic intelligence in the parts of the brain which is concerned with speech handling, which lets youngsters instantly grasp onto the varying vibrations that we call sound.and which helps them to later make out meningful sentences instead of blabber.
Originally posted by leonheartmmWell take a computer for example, it has massive potential to do alot. But until you learn how to do those things you'll never be able to maximize that potential.
call them whatever you will.
Like using the English langauge well, everyone has the potential. but obviously you have to lern how to use it, if the skills were inborne then evferybody on earth could speak any language from birth.
unfortunately, thats not true, computer only has potential for CALCULATING, and despite what computer programmers and manufacturers say, no even the fastest computers on earth can measure the amount of data processing that goes on in the brain, for one thing its really complex, with almost infinitely more loops and variations than even most bilogists realize, the reason why simple computing is harder is because numbers and equations arent really dealt the same way as they are in a computer, if you were to actually map out a code or equation to describe the brain, unfortunately you will die LOOOOOOOOOOOOONGGG before you even have an idea of how vast the brain is, its the same as giving a simple 2+2 to solve to a parallel processing supercomputer with a super hard drive and memory storage, you just see how long it takes for it to solve it, when actually it will do the highly complex weather calculations rather fast{thats not an accurate example but one that gives u n idea.}
Originally posted by Creshosk
And unavoidable. Since he doesn't control it anymore he doesn't count for much in this discussion I'm affraid.Even though Stan lee doesn't fully control it, and therefore its subject to being changed to something different?
I don't think for example that Stan Lee or Steve Ditko envisioned Spiderman being able to communicate with insects.
So you don't want to listen to the ones who do hold the control?
The way things were is not the way things are now.
Actually I disagree totally. Stan Lee is the Universes creator so if he says it has a God in the traditional sense it does. Just becuas you and I have not seen him does not mean his not present.
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Originally posted by leonheartmm
hmmm, my bad, but did it ever occur to u that i wouldnt shoot my mouth off and say that there was no mention of toaa or pheonix positively being the creater of the multiverse and having the power of TOAA,, WITHOUT READING THE DAMN COMICS?! lol, im not that stupid, it is precisely because i have read the comics that im saying that all your doing is making ridiculous interpretations of a few sentences while avoiding all the proof to the contrary, there was no mention of toaa, or the multiverse, only of CREATION,which has been repeated many times from the simplest of abstracts to the living tribunal to the infinite being and the beyonders, onto the heart of the universe AND finally to TOAA who incidently hasnt EVER ben mentioned directly by name in the marvel universe, so then tell me, how likely is it that the pheonix got the powers of creation nearly EQUAL to TOAA and not equal to eternity? or perhaps even the tribunal?
Phoenix is linked to the supreme being. All references link her to god. If TOAA is not the supreme being then i dont know who is. The only point your argument relies on is that the words TOAA are not stated. However instead Phoenix is linked to god so that is irrelevant as it is the assumption that TOAA is Marvels god. If TOAA is not god then that only speaks better for Phoenix does it not? 🙄
As for the creator of the multiverse creation refers to everything outside of heaven/the white hot room. However Eternity said that phoenix is the natural beginning and end of a universe. It was Eternitys words that phoenixs role is the natural order of a universe. Wouldnt that suggest to you that the process hapens in all universes.
The creation process was shown in Xmen Forever to ultimately affect LT. That in itself tells you that it is a multiversal process that the phoenix power is responsible for.
In the white hot room the phoenixes have access to and survey the entire multiverse. The white hot room after all believe it or not is the M'kraan crystal apparrently. The nexus of all realities. Hence the avatars connection to the crystal.
The only avatars of the 616 universe are Jean and Quentin Quire In the white hot room Jean came across a multitude of avatars of different races which tells you that they are from other universes. The process occurs multiversally. The phoenix power derived from the Crown (home of the consciousness of god) is responsible for the creation of the multiverse.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix is linked to the supreme being. All references link her to god. If TOAA is not the supreme being then i dont know who is. The only point your argument relies on is that the words TOAA are not stated. However instead Phoenix is linked to god so that is irrelevant as it is the assumption that TOAA is Marvels god. If TOAA is not god then that only speaks better for Phoenix does it not? 🙄As for the creator of the multiverse creation refers to everything outside of heaven/the white hot room. However Eternity said that phoenix is the natural beginning and end of a universe. It was Eternitys words that phoenixs role is the natural order of a universe. Wouldnt that suggest to you that the process hapens in all universes.
The creation process was shown in Xmen Forever to ultimately affect LT. That in itself tells you that it is a multiversal process that the phoenix power is responsible for.
In the white hot room the phoenixes have access to and survey the entire multiverse. The white hot room after all believe it or not is the M'kraan crystal apparrently. The nexus of all realities. Hence the avatars connection to the crystal.
The only avatars of the 616 universe are Jean and Quentin Quire In the white hot room Jean came across a multitude of avatars of different races which tells you that they are from other universes. The process occurs multiversally. The phoenix power derived from the Crown (home of the consciousness of god) is responsible for the creation of the multiverse.
An essay 😂 tosh 🙂
"It was Eternitys words that phoenixs role is the natural order of a universe. Wouldnt that suggest to you that the process hapens in all universes."
were they now, ive never heard them but i will take ur word for it, however you have unintentionally mentioned the biggest flaw in ur own debate, if indeed it is true that the pheonix is the creater of a UNIVERSE as eternity said so, and that it is logical to believe that just like eternity and death, there is a phenix IN EVERY UNIVERSE, than THAT MAKES THE PHEONIX NUTHING MORE THAN A VERY POWERFUL UNIVERSAL ENTITIES, and NOT MULTIVERSAL, just like the abstracts who are universal but have counterparts in every universe, so now everything fits in, the pheonix is the creater and destroyer of a single universe, nuthing more, nuthing less, {and this actually matches up with the factual data} and is a universal entity which is probably on entropy power level below the infinite gauntlett, {she could be slightly higher but i doubt it, seeing as she is only as powerful or slightly more than entropy now that all the pieces fix} so that also means that she is quite a bit below the tribunal and the heart of the universe AND IS DEFINATELY NOT gettin its power from toaa. so there you go. your whole old argument goes down the drain im afraid.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
unfortunately, thats not true, computer only has potential for CALCULATING, and despite what computer programmers and manufacturers say, no even the fastest computers on earth can measure the amount of data processing that goes on in the brain, for one thing its really complex, with almost infinitely more loops and variations than even most bilogists realize, the reason why simple computing is harder is because numbers and equations arent really dealt the same way as they are in a computer, if you were to actually map out a code or equation to describe the brain, unfortunately you will die LOOOOOOOOOOOOONGGG before you even have an idea of how vast the brain is, its the same as giving a simple 2+2 to solve to a parallel processing supercomputer with a super hard drive and memory storage, you just see how long it takes for it to solve it, when actually it will do the highly complex weather calculations rather fast{thats not an accurate example but one that gives u n idea.}
So a person cannot create great art using a computer? hmm. . .
Originally posted by WhirlysplattI've seen Stan Lee. But I also know he's not in charge anymore. Which means it's no longer his universe, so sadly his views are no longer admissible to the discussion.
Actually I disagree totally. Stan Lee is the Universes creator so if he says it has a God in the traditional sense it does. Just becuas you and I have not seen him does not mean his not present.🙂
Originally posted by Creshosk
I've seen Stan Lee. But I also know he's not in charge anymore. Which means it's no longer his universe, so sadly his views are no longer admissible to the discussion.
The Universe will always be his "creation" 🙂 Regardless of who "owns" or writes Marvel. He is its sole living creator 🙂 Therefore if he says it has a real God it does 🙂 Unlike GS or Phoenix he is the creator force.