Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Um...I think he is able to trade punches with Superman for minute or so, but eventually Superman would win. Namor has nearly instant healing factor on sea, though. But Superman is just stronger and faster, and since he fly's throught the use of self-telekinesis, he probably can manouver well in the water. But he can't use the freezing breath, though. And water is Namor's turf...I don't know, maybe Namor can win 2/10.
"Superman wins all the time. Namor could beat Hulk in the water because he was stronger than hulks base level",
Savage Hulk wasent operating at calm levels even underwater. Namor on water punks because he can mantain his full strenght all the time.
"hulks manouevrability compared to Namor is poor especially in water."
Every character not water based has more movements problems underwaters than the water ones. Theres always an edge.
"Supermans strength is immense and is far in excess of the low level class 100 that is Namor"
Namor isent a low class 100. And definatly not underwater.
Originally posted by olympian
"Superman wins all the time. Namor could beat Hulk in the water because he was stronger than hulks base level",Savage Hulk wasent operating at calm levels even underwater. Namor on water punks because he can mantain his full strenght all the time.
"hulks manouevrability compared to Namor is poor especially in water."
Every character not water based has more movements problems underwaters than the water ones. Theres always an edge.
"Supermans strength is immense and is far in excess of the low level class 100 that is Namor"
Namor isent a low class 100. And definatly not underwater.
Ive already dealt with this issue over in comic book movies so i shouldnt have to repeat myself. Namor is a low class 100. That is shown by his most recent bio.
He has some good feats and can certainly lift more than the 100 tons his bio suggests however he is given a rating of 6 whereas other class 100's like Hulk, Thanos and King Thor are given 7's. They are high class 100's, Namor most certainly is not. He can not match them for raw power. He certainly has the strength to engage them h2h and in some circumstances because of his additional abilities defeat some high class 100's however he is not on their level in terms of strength according to Marvel.
No matter how messed up their class system is, with people being able to lift far in excess of what their bios state, you always know where someone stands in the hierarchy when they are allocated a lower rating than others. Namor has a 6 rating for strength, aong with colossus and Thing, while King Thor, Thanos, Hulk, Juggernaut and so on get 7's. END OF.
Because we all know that Handbooks are always right...just look at bios of Dr. Ock, Beast, old school Namor...the creators of characters haven't written the handbooks, and therefore they can be wrong and make mistakes, because there isn't person name "Marvel", there is one guy who writes the profile and can make mistakes. End of.
Namor and Hulk both smashed each other with full force. There is no limit to the angered Hulk's strength, he wasn't at "base level" (Besides, Hulk has done pretty awesome feats when calm). Namor survived awake, Hulk didn't. Now the question is, did Namor hit him harder, therefore being as strong, or is Namor more durable? (As in, water)
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Because we all know that Handbooks are always right...just look at bios of Dr. Ock, Beast, old school Namor...the creators of characters haven't written the handbooks, and therefore they can be wrong and make mistakes, because there isn't person name "Marvel", there is one guy who writes the profile and can make mistakes. End of.Namor and Hulk both smashed each other with full force. There is no limit to the angered Hulk's strength, he wasn't at "base level" (Besides, Hulk has done pretty awesome feats when calm). Namor survived awake, Hulk didn't. Now the question is, did Namor hit him harder, therefore being as strong, or is Namor more durable? (As in, water)
That doesnt counter my post at all DC. You go by Handbooks and regard them as the gospel truth when it suits your purposes i.e supporting a Namor argument but now that im showing you that they show that he's not a high class 100 you dont want to hear it. Well im sorry it just doesnt work like that. As ive said the class system is messed up it doesnt give an accurate assessment in all cases of what a character can lift however they do let us know the hierarchy of the characters. How strong they compare with each other according to Marvel. Namor is 6 along with colossus and Thing. Hulk, Thanos and so on are 7. END OF.
Supes wins both in and out of water. In water Supes is still faster and stronger than Namor who is low class 100 and has a swimming speed of 60 mph. Supes can hold his breath long enough to fly across the universe. Namor doesnt have him at a major enough disadvantage. Namor is outclassed he isnt high tier enough. Accept it.
"Ive already dealt with this issue over in comic book movies so i shouldnt have to repeat myself. Namor is a low class 100. That is shown by his most recent bio"
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"No matter how messed up their class system is, with people being able to lift far in excess of what their bios state, you always know where someone stands in the hierarchy when they are allocated a lower rating than others. Namor has a 6 rating for strength, aong with colossus and Thing, while King Thor, Thanos, Hulk, Juggernaut and so on get 7's. END OF."
With all due respect. No. The fact in water he wins against savage Hulk by keeping his full strenght doesnt equalize being low class 100. Even in land until he starts to weaken he does more than hold its own. Against immortal Hercules the same, Abomination its another. He is middle to - top tier. Either its acceptable, but not low. Thats Superboy and the like.
There are some top tiers slighty stronger than Submariner, but thats it.
And i dont go by bios or handbooks. If someone goes, then fine, but they practically never showcase what actually happens in the comics. They are in my opinion crap. Pure and simple. Even the new system has innacuracies already.
Superman - might - pull a majority, hes just doesnt have the edge in this kind of particular battle. Not that he loses strenght. Its just he wont take advantage of the envyorment as Namor will. This 10/10 take ive read by some other posters its utterly ridiculous.
Originally posted by olympian
"Ive already dealt with this issue over in comic book movies so i shouldnt have to repeat myself. Namor is a low class 100. That is shown by his most recent bio""No matter how messed up their class system is, with people being able to lift far in excess of what their bios state, you always know where someone stands in the hierarchy when they are allocated a lower rating than others. Namor has a 6 rating for strength, aong with colossus and Thing, while King Thor, Thanos, Hulk, Juggernaut and so on get 7's. END OF."
With all due respect. No. The fact in water he wins against savage Hulk by keeping his full strenght doesnt equalize being low class 100. Even in land until he starts to weaken he does more than hold its own. Against immortal Hercules the same, Abomination its another. He is middle to - top tier. There are some top tiers slighty stronger, but thats it.
And i dont go by bios or handbooks. If someone goes then fine, but they never showcase what actually happens in the comics. They are in my opinion crap. Pure and simple. Even the new system has innacurancies already.
Superman - might - pull a majority, hes just doesnt have the edge in this kind of battle. This 10/10 take ive read by some other posters its utterly ridiculous.
Handbooks are there as a guideline. Marvel has always said this. They give an idea of what characters are at least capable of. Despite the inaccuracies the handbooks at the very least give us an idea of the hierarchy of th eheroes and how Marvel intends the characters to compare power wise. In terms of strength Namor is simply outclassed by the likes of Hulk, Superman and so on, theres no debating that, thats why he is a level 6. He has the warrior skills and abilities to engage high class 100's hand to hand and in some cases defeat them ( Hulk underwater) however there is no denying the fact that he is not a high class 100.
Superman is not really disadvantaged underwater. He's considerably stronger than Namor, he's considerably faster underwater, he can hold his breath long enough to take him out.
Fighting at the best of his ability Supes could K.O Namor within a minute. He is clearly outclassed. Those with a neutral mindset can easily see that.