Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Namor beats the Hulk and so on through the use of his abilities as well as his strength. Namor doesnt stand on the ground and win a fight with the hulk because he's in the same strength league. Namor is a far better fighter, he is far more manouevrable and he is smarter. Therefore he can engage a powerhouse like the hulk and be successful in some cases, however he is not on the same level strength wise hence his lower rating. This is ludicrous DC i know you love Namor but you risk losing your credibility saying he can match the full strength of the hulk.The handbooks are given Marvels blessings and are sanctioned by them. It is made clear that they ar emerely guidelines. In terms of numbers they are not 100% accurate however they convey the characters standing in the hierarchy just fine. Namor is level 6, Hulk, Thanos , King Thor are level 7. Deal with it
No one can match the full strength of Hulk. It is limitless. Superman can't. Thanos can't. Thor can't. But Namor is hanging on the same league.
Two guys hit eachother. One survives the punch conscious, another unconscious. Did the other guy win because of his smartness or his maneuverability? Or better fighting skills? They punch eachother in the face as hard as they can, fighting skills aren't needed on that. So if the other guy is stronger, then guy who survived was more durable, or they tie in durability, and other guy was stronger.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
No one can match the full strength of Hulk. It is limitless. Superman can't. Thanos can't. Thor can't. But Namor is hanging on the same league.Two guys hit eachother. One survives the punch conscious, another unconscious. Did the other guy win because of his smartness or his maneuverability? Or better fighting skills? They punch eachother in the face as hard as they can, fighting skills aren't needed on that. So if the other guy is stronger, then guy who survived was more durable, or they tie in durability, and other guy was stronger.
Dont try and change it up now DC. It is the assumption of these forums that the characters are fighting to their best abilities and at full power. When i mentioned Hulk in this thread i said that Namor couldnt match his raw strength you repeatedly said that he could. That was my only point. Yet being the Namor fan you are you refused to concede on that one point. Its only now that you seem to have realised how silly and fanboy-like your previous stance, its only now you're talking the truth. Ive been right from my first post on this thread, its a pity it took you 24hrs to catch up.
As for the scenario you described the Hulk has a varying strength level and varying durability. Both Sabra a class 50 and Storm have had the better of him in battle. Even Wolverine has. So his varying power levels, Namors stable considerable strength, Namors fighting skills and additional abilities all come into play during their fights. Therefore sometimes Namor can win or be on a par with Hulks strength however as i rightly stated yesterday, Namor is not in the same class of strength as the Hulk, Class 7 is for those with immeasureable strength, those who can lift ridiculous amounts. Hulk throwing castles, bracing mountains and so on supports this. Thanos tossing aside multiple class 100's with ease singlehandedly supports this. Namor as strong as he is is not in that class. His strength in comparison is limited. He cant empower himself to godlike levels like those in class 7 can. Thats the point of that class. Namors strength has limits therefore he is level 6.
Originally posted by Juntai
Didn't Superman just stand in a barrage of a Hulk attack and let him keep hitting him and was even having a conversation with himself in his head about how the Hulk kept getting stronger, and then just "OK time to end it" and burried him in one blow?
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Who is this guy ????????? You've got some cool ideas !!!!!!!! 🙂
Anyawy G.S. Olympian, D.C. What do you think of the New Marvel Parameters:
Level 1:
A being who can Lift between 0~60 kg or anything under their own body weight. These people engage in moderate exercise (sometimes any way).
Level 2 :
A being who can lift between their own body weight and twice their own body weight (80~300kg). This can be seen as athletic strength as those placed in this category take part in regular and strenuous exercise. N.B in the marvel universe 800 pounds is taken as the peak human level as any one who can lift over 800 pounds is considered Meta human.
Level 3 :
Beings at this level are considered as having strength that goes beyond the physical limits set by the human body. Usually an external element is involved in the
Level 4 :
Characters at this level are depicted as having a lower form of Super Human Strength. They are often illustrated physically overpowering those at the Enhanced Human level and are shown performing feats that can only be duplicated by machinery or numerous individuals. They are portrayed at a lower level as there are various beings that can physically outmatch them.
Level 5 :
The characters are generally considered by readers and writers as having strength that exceeds fundamental Superhuman level. Although the exact limits of the characters strength are unknown many are likely to be on par with heavy lifting devices. The respective weights involved are therefore still within the boundaries of realism. Although some may be able to perform feats that in a conventional universe are physically impossible. Displays on this level are very irregular.
Level 6 :
In order to be regarded as having Level 6 strength, the character must exhibit power FAR beyond the Fundamental Super human Level. Even in fictional universes these characters are perceived as being immensely strong. Characters have shown that they can surpass the might of modern age technology, and many have illustrated feats that should be physically impossible. Other’s have shown that they can match (and sometimes surpass) these individual’s in combat. Although the upper limits of the person’s strength remains a mystery we can gauge by analysing their respective feats for reliability and accuracy.
Level 7:
These characters are usually illustrated as being far superior to those with level 6 strength. They Consistently exhibit force at an impressive level without showing any form of physical exertion. Many have displayed might that truly dwarfs the standard feats performed at Level 6. E.G. Infrequently demonstrating feats that can only be performed regularly by beings with Cosmic Might.
Immeasurable:
In order to be regarded as having Immeasurable strength, the being in question must have power on a truly incalculable scale. Although the limits of the beings strength have not been measured it is widely agreed (by writers and readers) that their strength is truly immeasurable. Note that such characters rarely exercise their physical strength, but if they chose to there would probably be no limit to what they could lift/move. (Note that ‘power inflation’ can lead to any being having level 10 strength)
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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
No one can match the full strength of Hulk. It is limitless. Superman can't. Thanos can't. Thor can't. But Namor is hanging on the same league.Two guys hit eachother. One survives the punch conscious, another unconscious. Did the other guy win because of his smartness or his maneuverability? Or better fighting skills? They punch eachother in the face as hard as they can, fighting skills aren't needed on that. So if the other guy is stronger, then guy who survived was more durable, or they tie in durability, and other guy was stronger.
An Enhanced Thing Did !!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dont try and change it up now DC. It is the assumption of these forums that the characters are fighting to their best abilities and at full power. When i mentioned Hulk in this thread i said that Namor couldnt match his raw strength you repeatedly said that he could. That was my only point. Yet being the Namor fan you are you refused to concede on that one point. Its only now that you seem to have realised how silly and fanboy-like your previous stance, its only now you're talking the truth. Ive been right from my first post on this thread, its a pity it took you 24hrs to catch up.As for the scenario you described the Hulk has a varying strength level and varying durability. Both Sabra a class 50 and Storm have had the better of him in battle. Even Wolverine has. So his varying power levels, Namors stable considerable strength, Namors fighting skills and additional abilities all come into play during their fights. Therefore sometimes Namor can win or be on a par with Hulks strength however as i rightly stated yesterday, Namor is not in the same class of strength as the Hulk, Class 7 is for those with immeasureable strength, those who can lift ridiculous amounts. Hulk throwing castles, bracing mountains and so on supports this. Thanos tossing aside multiple class 100's with ease singlehandedly supports this. Namor as strong as he is is not in that class. His strength in comparison is limited. He cant empower himself to godlike levels like those in class 7 can. Thats the point of that class. Namors strength has limits therefore he is level 6.
Class 6 means: Superhuman: 75-100 range. Upper limit 100 tons.
Class 7 means Incalculable: In excess of 100 tons. Upper limit not known.
Namor's strength isn't incalculable, but it is in excess of 100 tons. Why isn't he on Class 7 then? You can ask the handbook writers.
Is Hercules stronger then Hulk? Thor? Thanos? Unless their strength is limitless, which I believe is not, why are they in Class 7 not in 6?
I do think Namor Homey could take the fight in the water. If it's in the water, Namor homey should have his trident(not the gum) already. Super Homey, don't fight Smart and in the water, he will get beat up, still close but it's Namor Homeys sea. On land, Super Homey will School Namor Homey. Ya Feel me.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Class 6 means: Superhuman: 75-100 range. Upper limit 100 tons.Class 7 means Incalculable: In excess of 100 tons. Upper limit not known.
Namor's strength isn't incalculable, but it is in excess of 100 tons. Why isn't he on Class 7 then? You can ask the handbook writers.
Is Hercules stronger then Hulk? Thor? Thanos? Unless their strength is limitless, which I believe is not, why are they in Class 7 not in 6?
Forget the Numerical Valuse attatched to the system. All the system really means is that Level 7 characteers are stronger than Level 6 characters.
Most of the Level 6 characters have lifted over 100 tons
Level 6 :
In order to be regarded as having Level 6 strength, the character must exhibit power FAR beyond the Fundamental Super human Level. Even in fictional universes these characters are perceived as being immensely strong. Characters have shown that they can surpass the might of modern age technology, and many have illustrated feats that should be physically impossible. Other’s have shown that they can match (and sometimes surpass) these individual’s in combat. Although the upper limits of the person’s strength remains a mystery we can gauge by analysing their respective feats for reliability and accuracy.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Class 6 means: Superhuman: 75-100 range. Upper limit 100 tons.Class 7 means Incalculable: In excess of 100 tons. Upper limit not known.
Namor's strength isn't incalculable, but it is in excess of 100 tons. Why isn't he on Class 7 then? You can ask the handbook writers.
Is Hercules stronger then Hulk? Thor? Thanos? Unless their strength is limitless, which I believe is not, why are they in Class 7 not in 6?
DarkC ive already explained this. Why wont you let it penetrate your skull. I'll say this once more. I will not repeat myself. The class 6 range of 75 tons to 100 tons incorporates low class 100's because class 100 by definiton is those who can routinely lift 100 tons. Namors strength being limited prevents him from being in class 7 so he is in level 6 which is fine because that level includes class 100 which aptly describes Namors capabilities. Level 7 is for those who have such immense strength that it cant be accurately measured, for those who have virtually limitless strength. That includes Thor, Thanos and Hercules to name a few. Being able to lift in excess of 100 tons also makes those people class 100 but we deem them as high class 100 to differentiate them from those who arent on their level, those who dont have virtually unlimited strength which is hard to gauge.
Originally posted by PimpXMaster
I do think Namor Homey could take the fight in the water. If it's in the water, Namor homey should have his trident(not the gum) already. Super Homey, don't fight Smart and in the water, he will get beat up, still close but it's Namor Homeys sea. On land, Super Homey will School Namor Homey. Ya Feel me.
Well not really to be honest Pimp. In the water supes is still ridiculously faster and stronger than Namor. Please bear in mind Namor swims at 60 mph. Supes in Marvel would be a level 7. Also remember that Supes can hold his breath long enough to fly across the universe. Supes is in no real disadvantage in the sea. Namor may retain his strength but its nothing compared to Supes'. Namor may be adapted to the water and may be able to swim at 60mph but Supes flies through self tk and would have no problem outpacing Namor ridiculously. namors only real advantage is that he can breathe in the water. But as aforementioned that just doesnt cut it in this match up,
Supes wins.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
DarkC ive already explained this. Why wont you let it penetrate your skull. I'll say this once more. I will not repeat myself. The class 6 range of 75 tons to 100 tons incorporates low class 100's because class 100 by definiton is those who can routinely lift 100 tons. Namors strength being limited prevents him from being in class 7 so he is in level 6 which is fine because that level includes class 100 which aptly describes Namors capabilities. Level 7 is for those who have such immense strength that it cant be accurately measured, for those who have virtually limitless strength. That includes Thor, Thanos and Hercules to name a few. Being able to lift in excess of 100 tons also makes those people class 100 but we deem them as high class 100 to differentiate them from those who arent on their level, those who dont have virtually unlimited strength which is hard to gauge.
I'm sorry, but doesn't the handbook clearly state that 6 means 75-100? That the upper limit is 100. And the 7 means that the character can lift more then 100? All I am saying, that it contradicts himself, if 6 in fact is for those that can lift more then 100 too...
Anyway, we shouldn't go by handbooks, we should go by comics.
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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And I put my faith on Marvel too, as in writers of the comics. You put your faith to some random guy who writes a handbook entry.
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