If God created the universe, who created God?

Started by Shakyamunison11 pages

Originally posted by Fëanor
The christian-judeo/muslim concept of God does not exist. He/She/It is a concept created by man to explain things that could not be explained before the advent of scientific research. And even with scientific research, we have yet to breach the birth canal of knowledge to fully understand what thoughts, ideas, or knowledge we do have.

And our belief in God is a thought ingrained into our minds from those that wish to control the masses throughout the ages. So the beginning of God is that spark of imagination from some person who first thought it.

I mostly agree, but I have read studies done about religion in communist countries. It seems that regardless of how isolated a community is, and how nonreligious it is keep, the people will make up religions. This information suggests that there is something in our makeup that leads naturally to the formation of religions. I believe that in many ways the UFO cult is this mechanism at work. This does not support any idea about rather there is a god or not, just that religion is part of the human animal makeup.

The God I talk about does not need, and is everything, good and evil.

There is nosuch thing as 'the' universe because theres a universe inside every brain, eachwith a different perception. The electrical path of a single thought can now be tracked by the latest scanning technology, and what we believe dictates which path is taken.

the objective world does not exist, at least not in the
way we are accustomed to believing. What is 'out there' is a vast ocean of waves and frequencies and reality looks concrete to us only because our brains are able to take this holographic blur and convert it into sticks and stones and other familiar objects that make up our world ...
'... In other words, the smoothness of a piece of fine china and the feel of beach sand beneath our feet are really just elaborate versions of the phantom limb syndrome [when amputees "feel" a limb long after it has been removed]. 'According to Pribram, this does not mean there aren't china cups and grains of beach sand out there. It simply means that a china cup has two very different aspects to its reality. When it is filtered through the lens of our brains it manifests as a cup. But if we could get rid of our lenses, we'd experience it as an interference pattern. Which is real
and which is illusion? "Both are real to me," says Pribram, "or, if you want to say, neither of them are real."'

We cannot perceive, even with technology, at least 95 per cent of the mass in the universe known as dark energy and matter, and what we 'see' with our eyes is a minuscule fraction of what exists.

• 95 per cent of the brain's activity does not relate to the waking state or 'physical reality'.
• Scientists call some 95 to 97 per cent of DNA 'junk DNA' because they don't know what it does.
Now, the figures may be approximate, but do you think it could just be that this 95 per cent or so of 'junk' DNA, and 95 per cent of brain activity not involved with the wakrng state, could relate to the 95 per cent (plus) of energy/matter that we can't perceive? And that it could be connecting us to levels of awareness that operate outside the realm of visible electromagnetic light,

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it's all an illusion It is an apparent contradiction that the earth and the cosmos was supposed to have been created by a loving God and yet what we call Nature is a bloody battle-ground in which one animal's survival is dependent on another's, often grotesque, demise.

The 'universe' was a figment of our conditioned imagination, it was only part of our reality because we believed it was. The universe was also far smaller than people perceived even within our illusion of space and distance. 'Look at the sky in a planetarium and it seems so vast, yet it only goes as high as the ceiling.'

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is no beginning, time is an illusion.

in some respects that could be true🙂

Originally posted by Deano
it's all an illusion It is an apparent contradiction that the earth and the cosmos was supposed to have been created by a loving God and yet what we call Nature is a bloody battle-ground in which one animal's survival is dependent on another's, often grotesque, demise.

The 'universe' was a figment of our conditioned imagination, it was only part of our reality because we believed it was. The universe was also far smaller than people perceived even within our illusion of space and distance. 'Look at the sky in a planetarium and it seems so vast, yet it only goes as high as the ceiling.'

You are a little off base. The world we understand is an illusion, but there is a real world. If you think the real word does not exist, then you do not exist.

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i just bought the idea forward, as i find it all very interesting

perhaps you should read more into it😄

Originally posted by Deano
i just bought the idea forward, as i find it all very interesting

perhaps you should read more into it😄

What are you talking about? What do you mean by "perhaps you should read more into it"?

read more into the subject

btw saying ''If you think the real word does not exist, then you do not exist.''

your a bit off, the concept is thatall matter is merely energy condensed into a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively

i reccommend ' the ancient secret of the flower of life'

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infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion

Originally posted by Deano
read more into the subject

btw saying ''If you think the real word does not exist, then you do not exist.''

your a bit off, the concept is thatall matter is merely energy condensed into a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively

i reccommend ' the ancient secret of the flower of life'

and

infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion

I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about Buddhism. What you are saying is close to Buddhism, but a few of the points are wrong. What is energy? Energy is an illusion, a projection of the real world.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I am fully lined up on reading material for about 2 to 3 years. There is a lot of books on Buddhism that I need to find the time to read, and that is of higher importance to me right now. If you would like to read about buddhism, I can recommend a few good books. 🙂

cool
yeh its close to buddhism, in terms of the chakras etc, but the books i mentioned stray from the religion aspect quite a bit.
they are great books and ive got them on ebook if you want them, i can send them you.

what books would you reccomend?

Originally posted by Deano
cool
yeh its close to buddhism, in terms of the chakras etc, but the books i mentioned stray from the religion aspect quite a bit.
they are great books and ive got them on ebook if you want them, i can send them you.

what books would you reccomend?

Here is a good book to start;

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0967469783/102-7864481-8704125?v=glance

Here is another one;

http://www.holisticshop.co.uk/itemdetl.php?itemprcd=CAUS_R_BUDD

Everything is alive...that the bases of what been found in sub atomic particles...and everything could be some sort of illusion, because our brains can only pick up what we perceive in a more condensed form and only the dimensions that we can also perceive....I do believe that Love is the only thing that is truly real or important.....I have to say Deano...I do agree with much of what you've said, and I have read material about
Pribram.

There two things that always made sense to me 1 God did not make us in his imagine we made him in ours. and A quote I am like God, and God like me. I am as large as God, He is as small as I. He cannot above me, nor I beneath Him be

^ I like that....

It's simple: humans created God out of lack for a better creator for the universe. I think it takes more than just a God to create a universe...you need a lot of imagination...like humans.

I think it takes more than just a God to create a universe...you need a lot of imagination...like humans.
so mans imagination created the universe

yes. without imagination the universe would have been pretty boring.

who created God? this guy did 😄

Nobody created God - nothing can be created - God is just a thought in the minds of many unimaginative humans