Feminism has gone too far.

Started by bilb8 pages

Originally posted by Ushgarak
It is certainly a touchy subject...

Fact is, after 100 years of professional female chess play, in an area where physicality is irrelevant and where psychological ability is an intrinsic part of the top level game...

... the whole world has still failed to produce anything but the tiniest fraction of female Grandmasters compared to male. In fact, the first ever female Grandmaster was only in the last 20 years.

I am sure various attitudes to the kind of things women were expected to do in their spare time has a lot to do with this- can't see the Russians putting the women into intesne chess training as they did the men in the Stalin era- but the situation is virtually the same in the modern day, with fully equal opportunities in western countries.

With the physical element removed, this is an interesting definition of some more concealed but still highly relevant fundamental differences between man and woman.

wow that is the most thinly veiled 'chicks are just stupid' comment i have ever read.. perhaps the CHESS thing has a thing or two to do with how girls & boys are treared differently in classrooms... i'm not big on statistics (as they can be skewed to fit whatever argument you happen to be making IMO) but i have read some very interesting studies suggesting that when it comes to math, science, & the like.. girls almost always overlooked in the classroom when compared to how the boys are treated.. the implication from a VERY early age is that these arent subjects that females SHOULD be good at so they arent taught or fostered with the same enthusiasm for girls as it is for boys... so basically from elementary school on an anti - logical (if you will) mindset is taught to be proper for girls.. its crap but is there nonetheless

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, I am not talking aboot only Female Sports..I am saying if Females are allowed to play in the Male leagues..it would be unfair if they would still have seperate Leagues too...that's not equal......thats an advantage towards Women .....so it could either be seperate but equal (not really equal but fair) or just equal all the way (not reall that fair cause females don''t have the same physical level)

I said pretty much the exact same thing in my post on page 2.

As for the chess debate, chess is a war game, war is something men are better at, not because they're more intelligent, but because they have a better mind for strategizing. Down through the centuries war has always been a man thing, not that there are no women who are good at it, just that women were usually at home taking care of the children and the old people, because if all of the women had gone to war as well as the men, you'd have infants and invalids left back home who'd all die from starvation.

Plus men have a mind for war, it's something that has been taught for generations. There have been some truly excellent female warriors such as the Amazon's but when it comes down to all the great battles in history 99 percent of them were masterminded by men. Men fight, women love. It is probably that compassion which keeps women out of war. It is easier for a man to kill another human being in the name of war than it is for a woman. Women have too much compassion, they might stop and question why, and while they're questioning it, get stabbed in the back by their opponent whom they were debating not killing.

My point here is simply that men and women are equal intellectually, just different, they use their minds in different ways. It has even been scientifically proven that men and women use entirely different parts of their brains when thinking about the same exact things.

As for physically, yes, women are weaker than men on the whole. There are some women who are stronger or faster than some men, but not even the very strongest woman can compete against the very strongest man and have even the smallest chance of beating him in a contact sport of any kind. Now sports like racing are entirely different, but most women don't have that urge to be speed demons like men. There are plenty of women who have the ability to race cars, but what they lack is the desire to do so.

So in short, sports where physical strength is not a HUGE factor there should simply be one league for both men and women, like horse racing. You don't see many female jockeys because until now they weren't really allowed to do so, at one point it was actually against the law for a woman to be a jockey in a professional horse race, but her physical strength would not put her at a great disadvantage. However, sports such as football, basketball, and baseball should remain segregated as these games focus largely on the physical prowess of the players, thus putting women at a great disadvantage. If they wish for the leagues to be merged, then so be it, but there should no longer be a women's league either, because then they would have two leagues while men were only allowed to compete in one. Then the men would revolt and the battle of the sexes would start all over again. Personally I think people just need to accept equality and move on, it is the older generations who are keeping this battle alive, not the younger.

This dead horse has been beat to the most rediculous extent, if men and women can't even get along, how can different races get along? How can different religions co-exist? If we are to achieve peace in this world we must learn to accept those around us and get over whatever issues we have with things. Women have achieved equality, they have the right to vote, right to work on any job, and the right to compete in any sport, even if it is in their own league. America no longer needs feminists, equality has been achieved, as it has in many countries in Europe, it's time to drop it and move on. Sure people are going to discriminate against women sometimes because they are prejudice, but they're the last of a dying breed, go back a generation or two from yourself and you'll be surprised how closed-minded the people who came before you really were. And one day your kids and grandkids will look at you and think of you as closed-minded. Step into the future. There's no longer a need for this debate, and feminists need to drop it. It is not essential to anyone's equality that some woman go out on a football field and get splattered all over the grass when she gets hit by some 350 pound quarterback. This is beyond rediculous, it's time feminists move to a country where they're needed and work there to get women the right to vote and the right to work. When the debate turns to sports it has reached the edge of sensibility.

It's simply rediculous to me that debates like this even happen. It's time for feminists to stop before they give a new generation of men a reason to hate women.

Originally posted by obiwills

It's simply rediculous to me that debates like this even happen. It's time for feminists to stop before they give a new generation of men a reason to hate women.

uuuhh.. everything was cool till this... GIVE you a reason to hate women? Hate to inform you but this 'women are seconday citizens' mindset has been going on for centuries.. debates like this at least provide an avenue for dialougue.. which is still extremely lacking in any real means of change is better than nothing at all

Originally posted by bilb
uuuhh.. everything was cool till this... GIVE you a reason to hate women? Hate to inform you but this 'women are seconday citizens' mindset has been going on for centuries.. debates like this at least provide an avenue for dialougue.. which is still extremely lacking in any real means of change is better than nothing at all

Yeah, but he didn't get a chance to hate them centuries ago. It's so unfair. 😛

Originally posted by bilb
uuuhh.. everything was cool till this... GIVE you a reason to hate women? Hate to inform you but this 'women are seconday citizens' mindset has been going on for centuries.. debates like this at least provide an avenue for dialougue.. which is still extremely lacking in any real means of change is better than nothing at all

Just to point out something to you, I AM a woman. I meant simply this, debating feminism in the world of sports does tick more men off, it gives the new generation of men a reason to look down on women, a reason they didn't even have before. I know for a fact that the men of my generation are not nearly as prejudice towards women as their fathers are. And our grandparents?! Don't even get me started on them. I'm merely saying that as time goes on the battle of the sexes is dying, there's no reason to resurrect it with idiotic issues like women playing football against men as physically they simply can't compete.

Let's not overlook the fact that women are shit at football compared to men.

Let's also not overlook the fact that men are physically superior. Biologically.

-AC

well...the war of sexes has died off for quite some time....ofcourse there are the regular taunts and some fixed opinions..but those are genetically established 🙂....
it's impossible to generally hate women...especially by men. not nowadays anyway

ok, my bad.. but thats exactly why i had to change my av & sig.. everyone thought i was a guy for the longest time 😛 BUT while i do think its silly for women to want to play football & the like I do think it can be a good thing to discuss the topic.. & i really dont care if it pisses off the guys.. as thats not my main concern in life 😛

(btw nice sig obiwills 😛)

That'S nice...so Guys should care if it pisses women off but the other way aroung not.......double standard...I think its tie for maleinis......big time

And her sig....she has Ewan McGregor half naked as pic.....pretty obvious 😛

Originally posted by bilb
(btw nice sig obiwills 😛)

Thanks 😄 And as Bardock said, my sig does make it kinda obvious I'm a girl... unless I were a gay guy, which isn't entirely impossible of course.

I think most people think I'm a guy because of my opinions on things. lol

And to Bardock42, I'm a girl, and I care about pissing off guys. I care about pissing off girls too though, or anyone for that matter. It just isn't nice to go around intentionally pissing people off. lol

i think those feminists should keep thier mouths full of vagina so we dont have to hear thier rants and thats all there is to it....😄 i spent all day working on that one

Originally posted by obiwills
Thanks 😄 And as Bardock said, my sig does make it kinda obvious I'm a girl... unless I were a gay guy, which isn't entirely impossible of course.

I think most people think I'm a guy because of my opinions on things. lol

And to Bardock42, I'm a girl, and I care about pissing off guys. I care about pissing off girls too though, or anyone for that matter. It just isn't nice to go around intentionally pissing people off. lol


Yes exactly...I don't like doubkle standards....e3ither way....

Originally posted by manjaro
i think those feminists should keep thier mouths full of vagina so we dont have to hear thier rants and thats all there is to it....😄 i spent all day working on that one

Well there are not that many Ranting feminists anyore I guess....but its kind of less necessary now.....

Originally posted by manjaro
i think those feminists should keep thier mouths full of vagina so we dont have to hear thier rants and thats all there is to it....😄 i spent all day working on that one

proud of yourself? great now shoo... go back to the playground

Re: Feminism has gone too far.

Originally posted by markie
Should women be allowed to play football with men?

With men? no. now don't get me wrong I don't mean they CAN'T or SHOULDN'T play with men... but should have their own leauge... It would be too easy to get sexual harrassment charges in it.

Originally posted by manjaro
i think those feminists should keep thier mouths full of vagina so we dont have to hear thier rants and thats all there is to it....😄 i spent all day working on that one

Dude? It took you all day to come up with that?! wallbash

there's a huge difference between games like tennis and golf (which are more skill oriented) and games like football and rugby. in my opinion, the main problem with the inclusion of women in contact sports is that it would change the whole psychology of the game. forget the fact that generally speaking the best female football player couldn't even be drafted 10th pick by the denver broncos. the real problem is that having a lady on the field would put the males at a psychological disadvantage. every male on the field would be playing at fractional capacity, so as not to injure the woman players. this not only makes for an uninteresting spectacle but is vaguely disrespectful towards the sport itself.

and bilb, don't you dare blame the lack of female chess champions on the theoretical ramifications of further theoretical mistreatment. that's weak on so many levels...

Originally posted by hoorayforpeepee

and bilb, don't you dare blame the lack of female chess champions on the theoretical ramifications of further theoretical mistreatment. that's weak on so many levels...

enlighten me then 🙄

look, you want equal rights, then take equal responsibility.

you're basically saying that there aren't as many high level female intellectuals because they didn't get enough attention in elementary school?

that is passing the blame in the lamest way.

Originally posted by hoorayforpeepee
look, you want equal rights, then take equal responsibility.

you're basically saying that there aren't as many high level female intellectuals because they didn't get enough attention in elementary school?

that is passing the blame in the lamest way.

no not at all.. what I mean is that this is a perception problem all the way around.. yes women should take responsibility for themselves but lets not discount the fact that there is & always has been a negative percetion when it comes to women in society

I don't think that is true anymore...at all actually....