Originally posted by Draco69
Green light? Of course it was green light. It was a friggin flashlight. Booster surprised him.And for god's sake the color of the field is YELLOW.
Surprise or no, Booster absorbed and redirected the GL energy. Magneto can generate the color yellow easily...it's part of the EM spectrum. So all of Magneto's attacks will just be yellow, then. Generate a yellow forcefield too (he made his forcefield gray and blue before). Too easy.
Originally posted by demigawd
And yet, I see GL constructs broken, like, every other issue of JLA. 🙄Not impressed.
Oh and there's still a yellow weakness? Uh oh! Bad news for GL
And mags has been beaten many times by the xmen...so what?
Kyle alone got through solaris shields which I think a just a bit more powerful than anything Mags can create and a hell of a lot more diverse.
Mags does not compare. Especially if Hal is bloodluster. Mags would get his ass killed if he tried going against the GL corps on his own.
Originally posted by demigawd
What? So Hal loses to Polaris fair and square and it's PIS, but then Polaris, who isn't paying the slightest bit of attention to Hal, gets overloaded and THAT'S accurate? C'mon now!
Yep. Hal was losing it at that time. He lost to Rainbow Raider once. You need to understand that the effectiveness of the ring is tied to the mental stability of the ringbearer. So if Thor's hammer is tied to his mental stability then if Thor's life was hitting the fan the hammer would have the effectiveness of a Sock Em Bop It.
Originally posted by demigawd
Did Hal have a personal connection to those lives?
Actually YES. Hal knew these people since he first became a GL. The solar systems were one of the first alien worlds he visited. He watched children grow into adults. He romanced with several of the alien women. He claimed it to be his second home.
And Sinestro destroyed them. One by one. Billions upon billions of lifes were on his conscious. Many if not all close and personal friends.
Originally posted by demigawd
No...so it has nothing to do with willpower. Invalid point.
YOU mentioned the Nazi death camps... 😕
Originally posted by demigawd
Magneto KNEW those hundreds of people. They were friends, family. He was left for dead and WILLED himself to life and out of the pits, surrounded by the rotting flesh of everybody he's ever loved. It's not a contest of who had the shitter life, it's a contest of who has the will to overcome it.
Which is kinda nullified by your post and mine. Please. Hal was dropped onto a desolate fragement of a planet, powerless, and watched thousands upon thousands of his friends die around him. Many including GL Corps member. And through that hell, he somehow found the willpower to mentally activate the Oan Battery, hundreds upon hundreds of lightyears away, into recharging his ring.
That's willpower.
Originally posted by demigawd
Magneto OVERCAME that kind of trauma being right in his face. It's easy to overcome the destruction of star systems you don't know - it's all abstract.
Magneto crawled out of deathpit. So what? So did Hal with yellow construct spikes poking out his legs. And somehow found the willpower to do the above.
Originally posted by demigawd
Now when Hal's city was destroyed, he snapped and became corrupted by Parallax. That's not a very will powered thing to do.
First off, Parallax took advantage of the momentary tramua to corrupt him. Hal has been resisting him for YEARS.
And what about Magneto launching a bloody NUKE into a populated area just because Rogue got hit by missile. Will-powered my ass.
Originally posted by demigawd
magneto resisted the combined might of Xavier and Phoenix, and he willed himself to fight off the Phoenix Force's mental attack, which had just previously obliterated Firelord easily.
Impressive. But not as impressive as Hal actually defying GOD from throwing him into Hell or Heaven. His willpower actually proved to be so strong he put himself in Purgatory because he thought he deserved punishment and redemption.
Originally posted by demigawd
Wasn't Hal Spectre at the time of Krona?
Um. No. Krona jumpstarted the whole Infinite Crisis mess back in the 1980s.
Originally posted by demigawd
Magneto, as a child, endured FIVE years of mental and physical torture and never gave up and never revealed the location of the rest of his family (they found them anyway).
Hal, at the hands of the Spectre, endured what was equivalent to several millenia the pains and sorrows of every living being on the planet as penance for his sins. Any other mind would have shattered...not Hal.
Originally posted by demigawd
Fighting and winning are two different things. He lost Coast City, he lost the fight with Parallax. He got weak and gave in.
He WAS winning...until Coast City. By then Parallax got a huge powerboost and exploited the weak moment. He didn't give in. The Parallax demon took over his friggin soul. And Hal overcame it.
By the way, Hal had to deal with the Spectre AND the Parallax demon in Purgatory. Hardcore.
Originally posted by demigawd
He was being powered by Parallax by then and had, like, a million GL rings.
Um. No. That wasn't when he was Parallax. Hal has defied the Guardians COUNTLESS times. It was just another row with them. Hal got fired after he did this.
Originally posted by demigawd
What? So Hal loses to Polaris fair and square and it's PIS, but then Polaris, who isn't paying the slightest bit of attention to Hal, gets overloaded and THAT'S accurate? C'mon now!
Loses to Polaris? Polaris gave him a blast then ran away. Hal caught up to him and beat him. When he was overloading him with the energy, Polaris couldnt do anything about it.
Originally posted by demigawd
Now when Hal's city was destroyed, he snapped and became corrupted by Parallax. That's not a very will powered thing to do.
First off, Parallax was already eating away at his sould without him realizing it. When his citry was destroyed, he recreated it all by willpower. Thats well over the hundreds of people Magneto knew. Then when he ran out of power, he took out the heavy hitters of the Corps, defeated Sinestro in h2h, then obliterated Kilowog. And in the end it was him who had the willpower to fight off Parallax even when Spectre was powerless against him.
Originally posted by demigawd
magneto resisted the combined might of Xavier and Phoenix, and he willed himself to fight off the Phoenix Force's mental attack, which had just previously obliterated Firelord easily.
Id like to see proof of that one.
Mags WOULD get killed if he tried going against the GL Corps on his own. Luckily, he's not. He's just fighting Hal.
Magneto's shields have held up against some of the most powerful forces in the marvel universe. By the time Kyle figured out some way around it, he'd be dead.
I didn't see Hal do anything in his LOSS to Polaris that showed how he'd counteract the effects of EM on his body. Largely because Polaris wasn't smart enough to figure that out. Not so with Magneto.
And as I hear it, Polaris owned GL along with the rest of the League during the Emperor Joker storyline.
Originally posted by demigawd
Surprise or no, Booster absorbed and redirected the GL energy. Magneto can generate the color yellow easily...it's part of the EM spectrum. So all of Magneto's attacks will just be yellow, then. Generate a yellow forcefield too (he made his forcefield gray and blue before). Too easy.
Once again, the forcefield was YELLOW. ANYTHING yellow can absorb and redirect the GL energy. Hell Jubilee's raincoat could do the same.
Too bad Magneto has no idea that GL rings are weak to the color yellow.
It has nothing to with the EM spectrum in terms of light it has to do with this crazy cosmic color hierahcy much like the Infinity Gems.
Blue= Oan's Mental energy
Yellow= Parallax's Fear
Green=Source's Essence
Originally posted by Draco69
Yep. Hal was losing it at that time. He lost to Rainbow Raider once. You need to understand that the effectiveness of the ring is tied to the mental stability of the ringbearer. So if Thor's hammer is tied to his mental stability then if Thor's life was hitting the fan the hammer would have the effectiveness of a Sock Em Bop It.
And since when is Polaris the paragon of stability? The guy has multiple personality disorder! And we have no idea what distracting things Polaris was going through at the time. Maybe he lost he pet cat. You can't just disregard the results of a fight because Hal had some stress. He IS Mr. Willpower, according to your colleague. He should have had the will to press ahead and beat Polaris, knowing the universe was at stake. He didn't.
YOU mentioned the Nazi death camps... 😕
I didn't mention the Nazi death camps to prove his life was crappier. He mentioned he Nazi death camps because that was where he willed himself back to life and dug himself out of a lime pit surrounded by his family and friends. 100% of everybody he's ever known. That's actually more signficant than Hal losing a planet. When you're a kid, your town IS your universe. It's your multiverse.
Which is kinda nullified by your post and mine. Please. Hal was dropped onto a desolate fragement of a planet, powerless, and watched thousands upon thousands of his friends die around him. Many including GL Corps member. And through that hell, he somehow found the willpower to mentally activate the Oan Battery, hundreds upon hundreds of lightyears away, into recharging his ring.That's willpower.
That's motivation, lol. It wasn't through that hell that he found the willpower, it was BECAUSE of that hell that he found the willpower.
Magneto crawled out of deathpit. So what? So did Hal with yellow construct spikes poking out his legs. And somehow found the willpower to do the above.
Having body parts of family members attached to you is slightly more traumatic than having yellow constructs poking you. Just slightly.
First off, Parallax took advantage of the momentary tramua to corrupt him. Hal has been resisting him for YEARS.
I'm not up on my GL, but wasn't Parallax trying to influence ALL of the GL's? Which is why you can't know fear, because then Parallax will get you? so doesn't that make Hal the *first* to crack?
And what about Magneto launching a bloody NUKE into a populated area just because Rogue got hit by missile. Will-powered my ass.
He controlled the nuke's explosion, actually. Nobody died but the pilot who launched it at him.
Impressive. But not as impressive as Hal actually defying GOD from throwing him into Hell or Heaven. His willpower actually proved to be so strong he put himself in Purgatory because he thought he deserved punishment and redemption.
Bah, that's the best he could do? Magneto thought, "screw this heaven and hell crap" and just brought himself back to life.
Hal, at the hands of the Spectre, endured what was equivalent to several millenia the pains and sorrows of every living being on the planet as penance for his sins. Any other mind would have shattered...not Hal.
The Spectre has had other identities before. They didn't shatter.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Loses to Polaris? Polaris gave him a blast then ran away. Hal caught up to him and beat him. When he was overloading him with the energy, Polaris couldnt do anything about it.
Polaris knocked Hal out and then left because he had other things to do. That's a loss. Hal beat him because Polaris was in the middle of something else. I want to see Polaris hitting Hal with everything he has and Hal countering it and beating Polaris the way Polaris did to him. Until then, it's pretty open and shut that Magneto would win.
Id like to see proof of that one.
Final issue of Fatal Attractions. Phoenix and Xavier combined to mentally assault Magneto, who fought them off while still fighting the rest of the X-men. He only lost because he was holding back, as Wolverine observed.
UXM #150. Magneto fights off Phoenix Force.
Originally posted by demigawd
And yet...he did. PIS again?
Over billions of years, the Manhunters spoke a variety of oaths
"No Evil Escapes the Manhunters!"
"Death to the Green Lantern Corps!"
"No Man Escapes the Manhunters!"
"The Manhunters are a Myth!"
Kgkg can you prove that in the scan it was indeed Booster Gold and NOT a Manhunter? Do you have that comic?
Masters of disguise as well as fending off GL attacks.
Superman team wins.
Yes there is still a yellow weakness, but they can overcome it with a good bit of willpower.
Even still, it blinded a GL and really ****ed them up.
Manhunter is still vulnerable to fire, don't let people tell you wrong.
But as for this fight, Magneto isn't on Kyle's league and Thor/Superman could go either way, same for Fate/Strange.
🙁 Magneto is kinda the weak link.......🙁
MAGNETO PRIME LIVES!
Originally posted by demigawd
Wait...now I'm hearing this again. Is there or is there not a yellow weakness? Someone just last page said there still is.Or is this one of those "Martian Manhunter doesn't fear fire, unless it's certain types of fire" things where it's really just left to the writer?
Because Parallax is back in the main power battery, the yellow impurity is back. HOWEVER, Guy, Hal, Kyle, Jogn, Kilowog faced fear(parallax) and overcame it. GL: Rebirth.
Now if and when new members of the Corps are recruited, they have to be taught to overcome fear thus beating the impurity.
GL Rebirth #5 Hal to Corps - "Remember fear and you can shake off Parallax."
GL #1 - John - "It would have worked back in the day. The impurity is back in the power battery again, but we know its name now. And we know how to beat it."
Hal - "Feel fear. Overcome it."
John - "Not a problem."
Rebirth explains alot. Great series.