Manhunter's fire phobia is just that, fear.
It doesn't really harm him, it just messes his head up. But they gave him a new weakness here recently, magic.
I was reading on CBRF and they were talking about his new weakness, Gail Simone or whatever her name is was going in detail on how it works against him.
Pretty neat, cuz someone like MM needs a weakness or he'd be unstoppable.
Well i wouldnt quite count that as a weakness. If you think about it on a more technical scale, EVERYONE has a weakness to magic. Except those who actually do it to a certain level.
But fire is too lame of a weakness. Almost as lame as yellow. Im glad they changed both. But MM does need something besides fire.
Originally posted by long pig
Superman team wins.Yes there is still a yellow weakness, but they can overcome it with a good bit of willpower.
Even still, it blinded a GL and really ****ed them up.Manhunter is still vulnerable to fire, don't let people tell you wrong.
But as for this fight, Magneto isn't on Kyle's league and Thor/Superman could go either way, same for Fate/Strange.
🙁 Magneto is kinda the weak link.......🙁
MAGNETO PRIME LIVES!
That doesn't make any sense. So if GL had his forcefield up and I ran up behind him with a yellow hammer, would I or would I not hit him, knowing that he doesn't know I'm running up on him with a yellow hammer?
Magneto isn't in Kyle's league??? Polaris beat the entire JLA, INCLUDING GL. Are you kidding me? Magneto crushes Kyle. A scan was posted of Polaris beating Hal fair and square after a lengthy fight. Magneto is a lot more powerful than Polaris, and Polaris today is more powerful than Polaris then. Magneto owns Kyle and rapes Hal.
As for this whole, "sometimes a weakness in specific circumstances" mess that both MM and GL have, it's lame. Either you're vulnerable or you're not. Dang DC.
Originally posted by demigawd
That doesn't make any sense. So if GL had his forcefield up and I ran up behind him with a yellow hammer, would I or would I not hit him, knowing that he doesn't know I'm running up on him with a yellow hammer?Magneto isn't in Kyle's league??? Polaris beat the entire JLA, INCLUDING GL. Are you kidding me? Magneto crushes Kyle. A scan was posted of Polaris beating Hal fair and square after a lengthy fight. Magneto is a lot more powerful than Polaris, and Polaris today is more powerful than Polaris then. Magneto owns Kyle and rapes Hal.
As for this whole, "sometimes a weakness in specific circumstances" mess that both MM and GL have, it's lame. Either you're vulnerable or you're not. Dang DC.
Originally posted by demigawd
Yeah, but what i'm asking is...if you run up behind a shielded GL with a yellow plastic bat, knowing that they don't know you're behind them, and thus making it not a factor of will but a factor of, "will it penetrate?"...will it penetrate or not?
I would say yes it would, since they need to overcome, meaning they need to at least acknowledge it’s presence to over come it.
Originally posted by demigawd
That doesn't make any sense. So if GL had his forcefield up and I ran up behind him with a yellow hammer, would I or would I not hit him, knowing that he doesn't know I'm running up on him with a yellow hammer?Magneto isn't in Kyle's league??? Polaris beat the entire JLA, INCLUDING GL. Are you kidding me? Magneto crushes Kyle. A scan was posted of Polaris beating Hal fair and square after a lengthy fight. Magneto is a lot more powerful than Polaris, and Polaris today is more powerful than Polaris then. Magneto owns Kyle and rapes Hal.
As for this whole, "sometimes a weakness in specific circumstances" mess that both MM and GL have, it's lame. Either you're vulnerable or you're not. Dang DC.
Could Mags do this in any way shape of form? Even before Supes got there, he was holding the force of a supernova.
That's nice. Kyle still gets his constructs shattered every other issue. Magneto's shields have never been broken, even against the might of people like Galactus and Phoenix.
So...it sounds as though there is still the yellow weakness. But GL has to concentrate on overcoming it. So Magneto couldn't surround GL with yellow light and expect him to go down, BUT, it that weakness could still be exploited if Magneto impales GL with a yellow spear out of nowhere. Magneto is the master of colors...this fight just gets easier and easier for him. And I haven't even started with the OTHER powers Magneto has...
Originally posted by demigawd
That's nice. Kyle still gets his constructs shattered every other issue. Magneto's shields have never been broken, even against the might of people like Galactus and Phoenix.So...it sounds as though there is still the yellow weakness. But GL has to concentrate on overcoming it. So Magneto couldn't surround GL with yellow light and expect him to go down, BUT, it that weakness could still be exploited if Magneto impales GL with a yellow spear out of nowhere. Magneto is the master of colors...this fight just gets easier and easier for him. And I haven't even started with the OTHER powers Magneto has...
Thats ridiculous. If Galactus or Phoenix truly wanted mags dead, they would break through his shields without effort. Either mags is very strong or those 2 are very very weak.
Also, we are not talking about "every other issue" with PIS. What Kyle and Hal have done tops anything I have seen Mags do.
Can mags get knocked through a planet unharmed?
Solaris had shields against EVERYTHING, he's way way above mags, and kyle got through his field. Don't tell me mags will hold back hal if he wants to get in.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Thats ridiculous. If Galactus or Phoenix truly wanted mags dead, they would break through his shields without effort. Either mags is very strong or those 2 are very very weak.
I'd go for the former, which means that you're underestimating Mags. they tried and failed. So he's got a pretty damn good shield.
Also, we are not talking about "every other issue" with PIS. What Kyle and Hal have done tops anything I have seen Mags do.
Can mags get knocked through a planet unharmed?
Impossible to say. Mags has never had a battle in space. He tends to keep his terrorism domestic. But if his field can hold up against two of the most powerful forces in the universe, what's a little planet going to do?
Solaris had shields against EVERYTHING, he's way way above mags, and kyle got through his field. Don't tell me mags will hold back hal if he wants to get in.
How can you say his shields are way, way above Mags when Mags hasn't been broken and his has? That's like saying, "Solaris has invincible shields! They're completely impervious to any damage whatsoever! Nothing can ever break through them! And Kyle broke it!"
well then, if Kyle broke it, it's unbreakable, is it?
So while Kyle or Hal or whatever other GL you're throwing at Mags tries to "figure out" some way around his shields, they get impaled from behind by a large metal pole, or find their bodies turned against him, or find their minds switched off, or find themselves battling a black hole, or ALL OF THE ABOVE. Magneto isn't Polaris - he's not just going to run around shooting magnetic energy at Hal like Polaris did (even though Polaris was pretty successful at doing just that). This is a whole new level of strategy. Hal is out of his depth.
Originally posted by demigawd
I'd go for the former, which means that you're underestimating Mags. they tried and failed. So he's got a pretty damn good shield.Impossible to say. Mags has never had a battle in space. He tends to keep his terrorism domestic. But if his field can hold up against two of the most powerful forces in the universe, what's a little planet going to do?
How can you say his shields are way, way above Mags when Mags hasn't been broken and his has? That's like saying, "Solaris has invincible shields! They're completely impervious to any damage whatsoever! Nothing can ever break through them! And Kyle broke it!"
well then, if Kyle broke it, it's unbreakable, is it?
So while Kyle or Hal or whatever other GL you're throwing at Mags tries to "figure out" some way around his shields, they get impaled from behind by a large metal pole, or find their bodies turned against him, or find their minds switched off, or find themselves battling a black hole, or ALL OF THE ABOVE. Magneto isn't Polaris - he's not just going to run around shooting magnetic energy at Hal like Polaris did (even though Polaris was pretty successful at doing just that). This is a whole new level of strategy. Hal is out of his depth.
I dont have the patience to sit and quote everything seperately so I hope you understand what I write.
1st...do you honestly believe that Mags shields could really stop Galactus or Phoenix from getting in and destroying him if they really wanted?
2nd - The "little planet" (actually a sun) has all of magnetos power and much much more.
3rd - I didnt say Kyle broke it..he didnt, he used the ring to get through. Everyone else was attacking Solaris at full power and nobody else could do a thing to his shield. Do you think Mags shields are truly that strong? Can he hold up to hundreds of superheroes of varying powers and abilities simulataneously? These were 853rd century heroes too...ridiculously overpowered heroes.
4th - The black hole thing is useless....its what Kyle was going to use against solaris, but Solaris had a defense for that too...
Hal is supposed to be much stronger than this. Mags has impressive control, but the ring lets you do virtually ANYTHING as long as you have the willpower. There is no comparison dude.
All I'm saying is, we don't know the upper limit of Magneto's forcefield because it's never been found. Could Galactus or Phoenix have kept blasting and eventually gotten through? Maybe...but would it have taken one shot? two? 10? 1000? It's unknown. Either way, they operate at a higher offensive level than any GL, so it throws the idea that they could simply overpower Magneto's forcefield out the window.
How did Kyle use the ring to get through? What happened?
Besides, Kyle got through the forcefield of a being who was busy fighting dozens of heroes. that's a big difference from a Solaris who is only fighting Kyle. think Kyle could do it to a Solaris when nobody else is around and Solaris has nothing to do BUT kill Kyle? Nope. So the example means nothing.
Magneto isn't opening a black hole against Solaris, he's opening it against Green Lantern. And while GL *could* survive this, he's going to require all his effort and concentration to do so. Magneto has lots of other things he can do to distract him, mainly involving the color yellow. Magneto just has too many weapons for any one GL to deal with at one time.
Originally posted by demigawd
All I'm saying is, we don't know the upper limit of Magneto's forcefield because it's never been found. Could Galactus or Phoenix have kept blasting and eventually gotten through? Maybe...but would it have taken one shot? two? 10? 1000? It's unknown. Either way, they operate at a higher offensive level than any GL, so it throws the idea that they could simply overpower Magneto's forcefield out the window.How did Kyle use the ring to get through? What happened?
Besides, Kyle got through the forcefield of a being who was busy fighting dozens of heroes. that's a big difference from a Solaris who is only fighting Kyle. think Kyle could do it to a Solaris when nobody else is around and Solaris has nothing to do BUT kill Kyle? Nope. So the example means nothing.
Magneto isn't opening a black hole against Solaris, he's opening it against Green Lantern. And while GL *could* survive this, he's going to require all his effort and concentration to do so. Magneto has lots of other things he can do to distract him, mainly involving the color yellow. Magneto just has too many weapons for any one GL to deal with at one time.
I said Kyle was going to open a black hole against solaris. You misunderstood that. The black hole thing is worthless since a GL can do it too.
Kyle just got through somehow... I cant explain it. Comicbook logic I guess. He got through though. Nobody else could do jack to get in or do anything to it. Mags should be a cakewalk.
There is no "maybe" about Galactus and Phoenix. If they want, they will get through, or just turn him into a pile of rocks. (Kg's favorite example)
Either the author was stupid, or it was a hell of bad PIS to make Mags look good.
Funny how you dismiss Magneto withstanding Galactus and Phoenix attacks as PIS but then you hold up Kyle getting through Solaris as being valid despite there being no explanation for it whatsoever, lol.
Unlike Kyle inexplicably getting around forcefields for no reason at all, Magneto withstanding an attack from Galactus or Phoenix isn't PIS. Magneto withstood an attack from Galactus TWICE. It means he can always block at least one shot from Galactus. How many more he can survive is unknown, but my point is...if he can take that, he can take whatever GL dishes out, unless you're saying GL hits like Galactus now, lol.