Originally posted by h1a8wat
Think about it. Everytime Thor is fighting with possession of the hammer he is powerful. But without the hammer he is the weakest thing alive. Steve Rogers could probably beat him without Mjolnir.I'm telling you Mjolnir gives Thor multiple times the power, strength, and durability.
I honestly can't decide. Both have extreme durability. Both have planet busting power. Both have long range attacks but are highly proficient in h2h. I'll give Gladiator the edge in speed and BRB the edge in versatility.
Hm. I think due to the fact that BRB doesn't have a lame weakness (confidence-based powers), he edges out Gladiator and wins it 6/10.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I honestly can't decide. Both have extreme durability. Both have planet busting power. Both have long range attacks but are highly proficient in h2h. I'll give Gladiator the edge in speed and BRB the edge in versatility.Hm. I think due to the fact that BRB doesn't have a lame weakness (confidence-based powers), he edges out Gladiator and wins it 6/10.
What long range attacks does Gladiator?
Is heat vision supposed to work on someone who can stand in the sun? And in BRB's case, his android physique is actually empowered by heat, as we saw when he recovered from his battle against Thor.
Originally posted by h1a8
Think about it. Everytime Thor is fighting with possession of the hammer he is powerful. But without the hammer he is the weakest thing alive. Steve Rogers could probably beat him without Mjolnir.I'm telling you Mjolnir gives Thor multiple times the power, strength, and durability.
well duh! obviously, thor without out the hammer is either blake, olsen or masterson... with mjolnir, they become thor and become many many many many many x 10 raised to the gazillion billion trillion million whatever multiple times stronger, faster and more durable. 😛
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
What long range attacks does Gladiator?Is heat vision supposed to work on someone who can stand in the sun? And in BRB's case, his android physique is actually empowered by heat, as we saw when he recovered from his battle against Thor.
Those are good points. However, I think that Gladiator's eye beams are far hotter than stars so I'm sure they can affect BRB IF they get thru his energy defenses. I agree, tho. I'll have to give the edge of long range combat to BRB due to the variety of long range attacks that BRB has (lightning, hammer throw, energy blast from the hammer itself, etc.) and the fact that BRB has an easy way to negate Gladiator's eye beams (via energy absorption). I really don't see them engaging in long range combat for any good duration, however.
With that maybe I'll give BRB 6.5/10 against Gladiator tops.
Originally posted by h1a8
Think about it. Everytime Thor is fighting with possession of the hammer he is powerful. But without the hammer he is the weakest thing alive. Steve Rogers could probably beat him without Mjolnir.I'm telling you Mjolnir gives Thor multiple times the power, strength, and durability.
facepalm
Are you joking or just completely ignorant of Thor?
Neither the Hulk, Hercules, and so on have managed to put Thor down in a brawl, without Mjolnir. Clearly his so weak.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalmAre you joking or just completely ignorant of Thor?
Neither the Hulk, Hercules, and so on have managed to put Thor down in a brawl, without Mjolnir. Clearly his so weak.
Thor had his hammer on his being in most (if not all) of those times. He even had it in his freaking hand one time wrestling with Hulk.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor had his hammer on his being in most (if not all) of those times. He even had it in his freaking hand one time wrestling with Hulk.
He doesn't use his hammer in almost every single one of his battles with Hulk, Hercules etc.
Him having his hammer on his being such as his belt etc. does what exactly?
Your point? He had Mjolnir in hand while stalemating Hulk. What does that change?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He doesn't use his hammer in almost every single one of his battles with Hulk, Hercules etc.Him having his hammer on his being such as his belt etc. does what exactly?
Your point? He had Mjolnir in hand while stalemating Hulk. What does that change?
The hammer gives him extra power and durability. It must be in his hand or on his person to do so.
Originally posted by h1a8
The hammer gives him extra power and durability. It must be in his hand or on his person to do so.
Where the hell are you getting this idea from? You have absolutely no proof to back this up. At this point your trolling.
Originally posted by h1a8
That was earlier. Later he didn't have that limitation anymore. But my point is that when Thor doesn't have Mjolnir [b]within 60 seconds he is still Thor but much weaker. [/B]
His had his limitation all the way up to Volume 2. It's been present for basically all of his career.
Where are you getting this idea from that, physically, "Thor with Mjolnir > Thor without Mjolnir"? Completely baseless.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Where the hell are you getting this idea from? You have absolutely no proof to back this up. At this point your trolling.His had his limitation all the way up to Volume 2. It's been present for basically all of his career.
Where are you getting this idea from that, physically, "Thor with Mjolnir > Thor without Mjolnir"? Completely baseless.
Either I must be delusional or you are lying through your teeth (I mean keyboard). And the former is highly unlikely.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHulk beat thor into the ground when thor threw his hammer away.... Hyperion was beating thor and was going to win when thor lost his hammer.... Wonderman was beating his azz.... Gladiator and superman KOED him when he lost his hammer... Count N could hav killed him... need more???
facepalmAre you joking or just completely ignorant of Thor?
Neither the Hulk, Hercules, and so on have managed to put Thor down in a brawl, without Mjolnir. Clearly his so weak.
Originally posted by james2099
Hulk beat thor into the ground when thor threw his hammer away.... Hyperion was beating thor and was going to win when thor lost his hammer.... Wonderman was beating his azz.... Gladiator and superman KOED him when he lost his hammer... Count N could hav killed him... need more???
- Hulk didn't beat Thor any more than Thor beat him.
- How did the fight with Hyperion end, I'm curious 🙂
- Wonderman did not beat him.
- Gladiator from the future KO'D Donald Blake
- That part about Superman isn't right, neither is the bit about Nefaria. Nor do I see how they would apply when trying to determine if Thor is weak. Clearly they're stronger than him without his hammer, how the hell does this address Rage's point?
So 4 lies and 2 stupid claims.
Bravo, you're an idiot!
Originally posted by Kris BlazeLook fool.... When hulk beat his azz it was settled that hulk was the stronger and better.... The wonderman fight ended with thor having to use his HAMMER... gladiator koed thor, who was in the air for almost 60 seconds... superman caught thors hammer and then put him to sleep... The hyperion fight ended with thor having to use his HAMMER....... now how many of the people that i named have been one-shotted by thors fist??????? Now how many of them have one-shotted thors azz with their fists... This is about thor without his hammer.
- Hulk didn't beat Thor any more than Thor beat him.
- How did the fight with Hyperion end, I'm curious 🙂
- Wonderman did not beat him.
- Gladiator from the future KO'D Donald Blake
- That part about Superman isn't right, neither is the bit about Nefaria. Nor do I see how they would apply when trying to determine if Thor is weak. Clearly they're stronger than him without his hammer, how the hell does this address Rage's point?So 4 lies and 2 stupid claims.
Bravo, you're an idiot!
Originally posted by Kris BlazeAnd if Odin had let them both fall into that heats source... They both would have died.
What long range attacks does Gladiator?Is heat vision supposed to work on someone who can stand in the sun? And in BRB's case, his android physique is actually empowered by heat, as we saw when he recovered from his battle against Thor.
It should be clear that without Mjolnir, Thor is weaker. Obviously, anybody using a hammer would be stronger then the guy who isn't wielding a hammer. On top of that, the Hammer allows Thor do so much more. In the recent issue, Thor wasn't able to fly without Mjolnir. SS even asked BRB why he abandoned his Hammer. Obviously, SS knew that it makers BRB that much more deadlier.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
It should be clear that without Mjolnir, Thor is weaker. Obviously, anybody using a hammer would be stronger then the guy who isn't wielding a hammer. On top of that, the Hammer allows Thor do so much more. In the recent issue, Thor wasn't able to fly without Mjolnir. SS even asked BRB why he abandoned his Hammer. Obviously, SS knew that it makers BRB that much more deadlier.
Not weaker PHYSICALLY. Anybody's who read more than 1 avengers comic knows that Thor needs Mjolnir to fly. This is basic, it doesn't bring any more to the discussion. Rage's point is that the hammer doesn't give Thor any kind of physical boost.
Originally posted by james2099
Look fool.... When hulk beat his azz it was settled that hulk was the stronger and better.... The wonderman fight ended with thor having to use his HAMMER... gladiator koed thor, who was in the air for almost 60 seconds... superman caught thors hammer and then put him to sleep... The hyperion fight ended with thor having to use his HAMMER....... now how many of the people that i named have been one-shotted by thors fist??????? Now how many of them have one-shotted thors azz with their fists... This is about thor without his hammer.
You're missing a lot of things here.
- It was not settled, seeing as Hulk fled and Thor was ready to go on fighting. One part runs and the other wants to continue fighting, that's hardly a victory for the part that flees. This is obvious to anybody.
- Because it's there! There's no logical reason why Thor would let Mjolnir lie.
- How can Thor be in the air for 60 seconds? Why didn't Mjolnir return to his hand? Once again, Gladiator from the future, Thor beat him up in the end, Gladiator admitted that he had failed. AND IT WAS NOT THIS GLADIATOR. So how is this relevant?
- So how does that have any bearing on Thor WITHOUT his hammer? He was knocked out with it.
- Yes? And?
- What the hell are you talking about son? When did I claim that Thor one-shotted anybody? Are you deluded? You're making shit up. I know you're like 12, but still, try to keep up here. Rage claimed that the hammer did not give Thor any kind of physical boost, which IT CLEARLY DOESN'T. Your stupid ass responded by saying that Thor got knocked out by a couple of guys when he had his hammer, and that he used his hammer to beat some of them?
What the fuuuuuuuck does this have to do with anything? Thor won by shrinking Hyperion. He won by using not only physical force, but lightning against Gladiator. He won by throwing his hammer at Wonderman. So how the shit is any of this testament to the hammer amping up Thor physically? IT IS NOT!