Originally posted by james2099
Hulk beat thor into the ground when thor threw his hammer away.... Hyperion was beating thor and was going to win when thor lost his hammer.... Wonderman was beating his azz.... Gladiator and superman KOED him when he lost his hammer... Count N could hav killed him... need more???
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You mean the time when Hulk jumped Thor and surprised him, landed on a shocked Thor's faced directly, and landed undefended blows repeatedly to Thor's face, while enraged and all he managed was a single drop of blood of damage, and Thor was already up before Hulk could get out of the creator his landing created? What exactly does that prove besides the Hulk failed to put down Thor even with shock and momentum on his side?
Are you referring to the issue, when Thor tossed his hammer away, and was unable to get it back? Lol.
This was the same time when Thor was in free fall, and Hyperion was more maneuverable than Thor, landed unrepeated blows on Thor for an entire two pages (It was an apparently long free fall.), as he could reach Thor as he stated, and he didn't even manage to harm Thor in the slightest, who was perfectly fine when Mjolnir returned. This is the same Hyperion, who two issues before this, was put down for 3 pages, with a single hit from Thor, and even with help from the Power Princess, could not overpower Thor at all, and Thor wasn't even serious.
What does this prove? That a pissed of Hyperion can not harm Thor at all, and Thor is another league. Exactly what was your point?
When was Wonder Man able to beat Thor's ass? Ever?
Gladiator never knocked out Thor. He knocked out Jake Olsen. Oh shit, he knocked out a human. Gladiator knocked Thor into the air with an uppercut, and Thor landed as Jake and was severely injured. When the knocked out Jake touched the hammer next, he transformed into unhurt Thor who beat Gladiator's ass, and Gladiator admitted he was too strong/powerful. Not to mention this was a Gladiator from the future who was preparing for this encounter etc.
What does this prove? That Thor is superior to Gladiator?
And that's on top of the fact that the plot had Gladiator kick Mjolnir out of Thor's hands that contradict's the enchantment, and Thor for some reason had apparently forgotten that he can recall Mjolnir by willing it, but whatever.
That Superman shit? Crossover where Busiek was willing to bend over backwards for DC. Shit, in the last crossover attempt, they were willing to let Captain America lose to Batman rather than let Thor lose to Superman as I recall but DC wouldn't have Superman loosing as I recall.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHulk dared thor to throw away his hammer. Thor did it... Went down on record by marvel that hulk beat his ass.. Thor wanted to fight some more and said he would throw the hammer away again... he threw it at hulk..ha ha. In that issue, thors last ditch effort caused hulk to knock hell out of thor. Wonderman was beating thors ass when death was caught by some other being... Wonderman even admitted to one of thors foe that when he fought thor, he (wonderman) was stronger. Thor could not call his hammer back when he fought gladiator because he was KOED as thor... hyperion has almost beaten thor a few times, and only lose because of thors hammer.. Without his hammer, thor gets beaten by gladiator, hulk, hyperion, superman and a lot others... Thor has never, and never will beat any of them with his fists... BUT THEY ALL HAVE EITHER ONE-SHOTTED HIS ASS OR KNOCKED HIM SILLY. The reason thor win is because he has a ultra powerful weapon to hit them with or blast them with... and he is the hero.. the one that starts off losing then make a comeback to please fans.... guess what happened when thor the hero met superman the hero??... Who took a nap?
slyYou mean the time when Hulk jumped Thor and surprised him, landed on a shocked Thor's faced directly, and landed undefended blows repeatedly to Thor's face, while enraged and all he managed was a single drop of blood of damage, and Thor was already up before Hulk could get out of the creator his landing created? What exactly does that prove besides the Hulk failed to put down Thor even with shock and momentum on his side?
Are you referring to the issue, when Thor tossed his hammer away, and was unable to get it back? Lol.
This was the same time when Thor was in free fall, and Hyperion was more maneuverable than Thor, landed unrepeated blows on Thor for an entire two pages (It was an apparently long free fall.), as he could reach Thor as he stated, and he didn't even manage to harm Thor in the slightest, who was perfectly fine when Mjolnir returned. This is the same Hyperion, who two issues before this, was put down for 3 pages, with a single hit from Thor, and even with help from the Power Princess, could not overpower Thor at all, and Thor wasn't even serious.
What does this prove? That a pissed of Hyperion can not harm Thor at all, and Thor is another league. Exactly what was your point?
When was Wonder Man able to beat Thor's ass? Ever?
Gladiator never knocked out Thor. He knocked out Jake Olsen. Oh shit, he knocked out a human. Gladiator knocked Thor into the air with an uppercut, and Thor landed as Jake and was severely injured. When the knocked out Jake touched the hammer next, he transformed into unhurt Thor who beat Gladiator's ass, and Gladiator admitted he was too strong/powerful. Not to mention this was a Gladiator from the future who was preparing for this encounter etc.
What does this prove? That Thor is superior to Gladiator?
And that's on top of the fact that the plot had Gladiator kick Mjolnir out of Thor's hands that contradict's the enchantment, and Thor for some reason had apparently forgotten that he can recall Mjolnir by willing it, but whatever.
That Superman shit? Crossover where Busiek was willing to bend over backwards for DC. Shit, in the last crossover attempt, they were willing to let Captain America lose to Batman rather than let Thor lose to Superman as I recall but DC wouldn't have Superman loosing as I recall.
Originally posted by Kris BlazeBecause if the didn't use his hammer he would have gotten his ass kicked all those times.
Not weaker PHYSICALLY. Anybody's who read more than 1 avengers comic knows that Thor needs Mjolnir to fly. This is basic, it doesn't bring any more to the discussion. Rage's point is that the hammer doesn't give Thor any kind of physical boost.You're missing a lot of things here.
- It was not settled, seeing as Hulk fled and Thor was ready to go on fighting. One part runs and the other wants to continue fighting, that's hardly a victory for the part that flees. This is obvious to anybody.
- Because it's there! There's no logical reason why Thor would let Mjolnir lie.
- How can Thor be in the air for 60 seconds? Why didn't Mjolnir return to his hand? Once again, Gladiator from the future, Thor beat him up in the end, Gladiator admitted that he had failed. AND IT WAS NOT THIS GLADIATOR. So how is this relevant?
- So how does that have any bearing on Thor WITHOUT his hammer? He was knocked out with it.
- Yes? And?
- What the hell are you talking about son? When did I claim that Thor one-shotted anybody? Are you deluded? You're making shit up. I know you're like 12, but still, try to keep up here. Rage claimed that the hammer did not give Thor any kind of physical boost, which IT CLEARLY DOESN'T. Your stupid ass responded by saying that Thor got knocked out by a couple of guys when he had his hammer, and that he used his hammer to beat some of them?
What the fuuuuuuuck does this have to do with anything? Thor won by shrinking Hyperion. He won by using not only physical force, but lightning against Gladiator. He won by throwing his hammer at Wonderman. So how the shit is any of this testament to the hammer amping up Thor physically? IT IS NOT!
Originally posted by xJLxKing
If I hit you with a hammer and then my fist. Which do you think would hurt more? Perhaps it wont boost in base strength, but his damage will increase dramatically.
That is one of the reasons why it proves that Thor is weaker than Superman and other such characters. With natural fists, Superman and others can hit as hard as Thor can with the hammer. But since the hammer is magical and can move at Thor's command it could easily supply more momentum to the strike.
Originally posted by h1a8I could not have said it better myself..... Did you see the look on thors face when hulk told him to put down the hammer and fight him or how thor looked when superman caught the hammer? What about the time captain america picked up the hammer and threw it to thor to save his ass from getting killed by a pile of what appeared to be weaklings?
Because if the didn't use his hammer he would have gotten his ass kicked all those times.
Originally posted by james2099
I could not have said it better myself..... Did you see the look on thors face when hulk told him to put down the hammer and fight him or how thor looked when superman caught the hammer? What about the time captain america picked up the hammer and threw it to thor to save his ass from getting killed by a pile of what appeared to be weaklings?
having to pick up thor hammer to give it to him PIS the hammer would return upon Thors command. Thor without his hammer is just as durable and can take on top tier with little problem. "post some scans of this to prove your case context is important"
One arm no odinpower,no Mjolnir and one eye
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thorvseverybody7.jpg
How about this one Thor admits he had problems with mjolnir when fighting this guy before guess what no problem now.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/BetaThor2.jpg
Again no odinpower or mjolnir now stop trolling and move on.
Originally posted by DarkOdinhttp://img147.imageshack.us/i/71515714dx8.jpg/... This is what happens when the hammer is taken out of play... WW, CM, Black Adam and Orion have taken harder punches from superman and still got up and fought back... Thor is not in their range at all without his hammer.
having to pick up thor hammer to give it to him PIS the hammer would return upon Thors command. Thor without his hammer is just as durable and can take on top tier with little problem. "post some scans of this to prove your case context is important"One arm no odinpower,no Mjolnir and one eye
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thorvseverybody7.jpg
How about this one Thor admits he had problems with mjolnir when fighting this guy before guess what no problem now.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/BetaThor2.jpg
Again no odinpower or mjolnir now stop trolling and move on.
Originally posted by james2099
http://img147.imageshack.us/i/71515714dx8.jpg/... This is what happens when the hammer is taken out of play... WW, CM, Black Adam and Orion have taken harder punches from superman and still got up and fought back... Thor is not in their range at all without his hammer.
😆 ONe the hammer was in Thors hand when supes punched him superman only stopped the hammer which was in Thor hands.
Two crossover's are non cannon good job 👆
Three it is bad enough your thought Clor was the real Thor now this.
Four after this post you earned the ignore list
Originally posted by DarkOdin5. Do you really think i care what you do????? I will still go fishing on my boat, drive one of my 3 cars and lock the door on my brick home even if every person on KMC ignore me. It is a well known fact that thor needs his hammer to have a chance against people like gladiator, hulk, superman and even wonderman who all..ON RECORD.... have koed thor with their fists.... and the known part is...... THEY ALL NULIFIED THE HAMMER BEFORE THOR WAS KOED.... but PLEASE ignore me..PLEASE.
😆 ONe the hammer was in Thors hand when supes punched him superman only stopped the hammer which was in Thor hands.Two crossover's are non cannon good job 👆
Three it is bad enough your thought Clor was the real Thor now this.
Four after this post you earned the ignore list
Originally posted by james2099 Hulk dared thor to throw away his hammer. Thor did it... Went down on record by marvel that hulk beat his ass.. Thor wanted to fight some more and said he would throw the hammer away again... he threw it at hulk..ha ha.
So I take it you didn’t actually read the comic at all did you?
Hulk had to resort to holding an innocent woman hostage when Thor knocked him on his ass for a period of time with a blow. Thor then throws the hammer away, and keeps it away.
When did Hulk beat his ass? What the hell are you talking about? The best his ever managed to do is down Thor. Big whoop. Thor put Hulk down longer with a single blow, longer than the Hulk’s repeated assault of undefended blows did to Thor. Thor got right back up, and was ready to fight again as you said it.
What do you mean he threw it at Hulk? Hulk pisses himself as Mjolnir returns. Thor says I need no hammer, and he tosses it to the side, ready to continue their bout. Hulk jumps away, saying he doesn’t want to fight because he isn’t angry anymore.
Originally posted by james2099 In that issue, thors last ditch effort caused hulk to knock hell out of thor.
How about you stop running your mouth and actually read some comics? The Hulk has never knocked Thor out. Ever. If he ever has, care to show me a scan of it? Or even an issue reference? Either will do.
Originally posted by james2099 Wonderman was beating thors ass when death was caught by some other being...
Beating Thor’s ass? What are you talking about? You mean their original fight? The fight where Thor and Wonder Man attack each other, Thor is able to match Wonder Man’s strength with a “single” arm, and pins him down to the ground easily? Wonder Man throws Thor off, and hits him twice, and Thor is completely unharmed, at all and then goes to knock him out with Mjolnir. What the hell does that prove at all, besides Wonder Man can’t take Thor down, and Thor can match him in strength easily?
Originally posted by james2099 Wonderman even admitted to one of thors foe that when he fought thor, he (wonderman) was stronger.
Oh NO! Wonder Man during his original more arrogant than usual phase, says he thought he was stronger than Thor! What will I as a Thor supporter do? mhmm
It’s not as if, we have plenty of other countless instances, where Wonder Man specifically says that he isn’t on Thor’s level in strength or power, even when technically more powerful than his original level on different occasions. It would even be better, if we had actual showings that show that Thor is on a different level than Wonder Man by say going blow for blow with beings that walk through Wonder Man or tank attacks that put Wonder Man down. Oh wait! We do!
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Originally posted by james2099 Thor could not call his hammer back when he fought gladiator because he was KOED as thor...
Except he wasn’t. Gladiator uppercuts Thor and Thor is sent flying through the air. He then immediately lands in a truck that explodes and sets on fire. Enchantress finds Thor in his human form severely burned and knocked out. When the severely burned and knocked out human form of Thor touches Mjolnir? Guess what happens? He reverts to a completely unharmed Thor that goes on to hand Gladiator his cape.
Originally posted by james2099 hyperion has almost beaten thor a few times, and only lose because of thors hammer..
Almost beaten Thor? How has he almost beaten Thor? The best his ever done against Thor, is when he got advantage over him in regards to him having more air maneuverability, and the number of times he can hit Thor, and even after wailing on him for two pages, he didn’t hurt Thor. At all.
Originally posted by james2099 Without his hammer, thor gets beaten by gladiator, hulk, hyperion, superman and a lot others...
Except, Gladiator has never beaten Thor. The Hulk has never beaten Thor. Hyperion has never beaten Thor, and the only time Superman beat Thor was in a crossover, where DC would not allow Thor to lose Busiek bent over backwards for Marvel. How about you actually go read the comics before debating about them?
Originally posted by james2099 Thor has never, and never will beat any of them with his fists...
His never had to beat them with their fists, and when he has faced opponents with his fists? Guess whose last man standing? Thor. Outside of Hulk and Hercules. Those are always stalemates apparently.
Originally posted by james2099 BUT THEY ALL HAVE EITHER ONE-SHOTTED HIS ASS OR KNOCKED HIM SILLY.
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That’s a blatant lie and has never happened. Ever. None of them have one shotted him, or knocked his ass silly. The only one of them who has actually beaten the actual Thor has been Superman and that was DC wanking.
Originally posted by james2099 The reason thor win is because he has a ultra powerful weapon to hit them with or blast them with... and he is the hero.. the one that starts off losing then make a comeback to please fans.... guess what happened when thor the hero met superman the hero??... Who took a nap?
Lol. His a lot more powerful than them. How fair is that? Someone more powerful beating weaker opponents in a fight.
So……….using your logic, whenever a hero beats someone else, would hold less value because they are the or one of the protagonists of the story? Shit, in your world half of the showings from Superman, Silver Surfer, Thor, Hulk etc. don’t count.
Superman beating Thor? Crossover. Busiek bend over backwards. I’ve already given my thoughts on this.
Originally posted by james2099
t is a well known fact that thor needs his hammer to have a chance against people like gladiator, hulk, superman and even wonderman who all..ON RECORD.... have koed thor with their fists.... and the known part is...... THEY ALL NULIFIED THE HAMMER BEFORE THOR WAS KOED.... but PLEASE ignore me..PLEASE.
You still spouting this nonsense?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusGladiator has one shotted thor after he kicked his hammer out of his hand.... Wonderman one shotted thor when he played hurt....... Hulk has knocked his azz silly more than once..... Superman one shotted his azz... Champion was beating his ass until thor used his hammer and got dismissed...... hyperion was beating his azz when the hammer was taken out of play.... Thor admitted that the count was stronger than him while count was beating his ass... Thor has been one shotted by his own hammer where as the person who one shotted his azz have taken multiple hits from the hammer..... Your use of comicbook battles that we all know that the hero will win in the end has no meaning here.... Did you think the writers would allow gladiator to kill thor???... cannonball???... wonderman????? hulk???..... the FF????
So I take it you didn’t actually read the comic at all did you?
Hulk had to resort to holding an innocent woman hostage when Thor knocked him on his ass for a period of time with a blow. Thor then throws the hammer away, and keeps it away.When did Hulk beat his ass? What the hell are you talking about? The best his ever managed to do is down Thor. Big whoop. Thor put Hulk down longer with a single blow, longer than the Hulk’s repeated assault of undefended blows did to Thor. Thor got right back up, and was ready to fight again as you said it.
What do you mean he threw it at Hulk? Hulk pisses himself as Mjolnir returns. Thor says I need no hammer, and he tosses it to the side, ready to continue their bout. Hulk jumps away, saying he doesn’t want to fight because he isn’t angry anymore.
How about you stop running your mouth and actually read some comics? The Hulk has never knocked Thor out. Ever. If he ever has, care to show me a scan of it? Or even an issue reference? Either will do.
Beating Thor’s ass? What are you talking about? You mean their original fight? The fight where Thor and Wonder Man attack each other, Thor is able to match Wonder Man’s strength with a “single” arm, and pins him down to the ground easily? Wonder Man throws Thor off, and hits him twice, and Thor is completely unharmed, at all and then goes to knock him out with Mjolnir. What the hell does that prove at all, besides Wonder Man can’t take Thor down, and Thor can match him in strength easily?
Oh NO! Wonder Man during his original more arrogant than usual phase, says he thought he was stronger than Thor! What will I as a Thor supporter do? mhmm
It’s not as if, we have plenty of other countless instances, where Wonder Man specifically says that he isn’t on Thor’s level in strength or power, even when technically more powerful than his original level on different occasions. It would even be better, if we had actual showings that show that Thor is on a different level than Wonder Man by say going blow for blow with beings that walk through Wonder Man or tank attacks that put Wonder Man down. Oh wait! We do!
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Except he wasn’t. Gladiator uppercuts Thor and Thor is sent flying through the air. He then immediately lands in a truck that explodes and sets on fire. Enchantress finds Thor in his human form severely burned and knocked out. When the severely burned and knocked out human form of Thor touches Mjolnir? Guess what happens? He reverts to a completely unharmed Thor that goes on to hand Gladiator his cape.
Almost beaten Thor? How has he almost beaten Thor? The best his ever done against Thor, is when he got advantage over him in regards to him having more air maneuverability, and the number of times he can hit Thor, and even after wailing on him for two pages, he didn’t hurt Thor. At all.
Except, Gladiator has never beaten Thor. The Hulk has never beaten Thor. Hyperion has never beaten Thor, and the only time Superman beat Thor was in a crossover, where DC would not allow Thor to lose Busiek bent over backwards for Marvel. How about you actually go read the comics before debating about them?
His never had to beat them with their fists, and when he has faced opponents with his fists? Guess whose last man standing? Thor. Outside of Hulk and Hercules. Those are always stalemates apparently.
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That’s a blatant lie and has never happened. Ever. None of them have one shotted him, or knocked his ass silly. The only one of them who has actually beaten the actual Thor has been Superman and that was DC wanking.
Lol. His a lot more powerful than them. How fair is that? Someone more powerful beating weaker opponents in a fight.
So……….using your logic, whenever a hero beats someone else, would hold less value because they are the or one of the protagonists of the story? Shit, in your world half of the showings from Superman, Silver Surfer, Thor, Hulk etc. don’t count.
Superman beating Thor? Crossover. Busiek bend over backwards. I’ve already given my thoughts on this.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You still spouting this nonsense?
It is clear by comic evidence that Thor needs his hammer to have a chance of winning against Glads, Superman, SS, etc.
But don't worry. In these forum fights he will have his hammer. Is that ok?
IMO, Hulk's strength on average somewhere betwenn 100-10000 tons and far beneath the above mentioned. Thor lasting with Hulk should say his strength is roughly in the few thousand of tons to the few hundreds of thousand of tons.
Originally posted by h1a8
It is clear by comic evidence that Thor [b]needs his hammer to have a chance of winning against Glads, Superman, SS, etc.[/B]
hmmm by this logic
it is clear that the surfer needs the power cosmic to have a chance against thor, glads, superman etc..
it is clear that gladiator needs his confidence to have a chance against thor, superman, surfer, etc
it is clear that the hulk needs anger to have a chance against thor, superman, surfer, gladiator, etc
it is clear that superman needs the yellow sun to have a chance against thor, surfer, gladiator, hulk, etc
it is clear that hal joardan, kyle, john stewart and all the other green lanterns out there needs their green lantern ring to have a chance against thor, gladiator, superman, hulk, surfer etc.
it is clear that the flash needs the speed force to have a chance against etc etc etc
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Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
hmmm by this logicit is clear that the surfer needs the power cosmic to have a chance against thor, glads, superman etc..
it is clear that gladiator needs his confidence to have a chance against thor, superman, surfer, etc
it is clear that the hulk needs anger to have a chance against thor, superman, surfer, gladiator, etc
it is clear that superman needs the yellow sun to have a chance against thor, surfer, gladiator, hulk, etc
it is clear that hal joardan, kyle, john stewart and all the other green lanterns out there needs their green lantern ring to have a chance against thor, gladiator, superman, hulk, surfer etc.
it is clear that the flash needs the speed force to have a chance against etc etc etc
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The point of the post was that if you knock Thor's hammer from him or hit him in such a fashion where he drops the hammer then many would have a easy time winning (if they don't let up). Don't worry it was a subtle point.
