Originally posted by bean_machine
How about this for a speed feat?
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Speed feat
Originally posted by bean_machine
How about this for a speed feat?
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Speed feat
Originally posted by bean_machineSo? How long did it take for Lois to say her dialogue as Superman zoomed away?. Just say the words she spoke outloud. Two seconds about. She pauses her sentence and opens the door? It was not instantaneous. Do you see the elipses? The little dots? That means a pause. If it were at-that-moment-instananeous-unbroken-dialogue, they would have used a hypen dash. They didn't. That's a pause. I'm guessing she paused after the "see you..." for a second, opened the door which took one second and saw Clark inside. Four seconds of supersonic speed jump and acceleration time for him to be inside? Sounds pretty consistent with what I've been saying.
How about this for a speed feat?
Well this at least proves that Superman does not accelerate at his full potential on Earth so as to not cause damage.
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9101/0869a916yt.jpg
Originally posted by bean_machineThese two speed feats are quite pathetic. I don't even see the start of his speed in the first scan. He may very well have accelerated for several seconds before reaching those speeds. The second scan gives me absolutely no time frame as to the start of his flight to his landing. So I have no idea how fast he was. I'll guess four or five seconds? Again, I've yet to see this acceleration to light speeds and faster in .0000001 seconds from a dead start.
Or this?http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/1981/speed35ft.jpg
And this
How fast does Supes have to accelerate to be able to do this. I mean he stole this trick from Flash.
Originally posted by bean_machineFor whatever reason, the second and third link does not work. I own that comic from the first scan though. I'd like you to also notice and scan the page directly before that page. I wan't you to scan the bottom four panels. Notice how much dialogue goes by from when Jimmy hits his signal watch in the bottom second panel and the actual shot? This is what is said between the signal being hit and the shot,
Well this at least proves that Superman does not accelerate at his full potential on Earth so as to not cause damage.http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9101/0869a916yt.jpg
*Jimmy hits signal, Superman hears it*
Jimmy: "Last time I checked, drug trafficking wasn't a recognized political movement. And if by "enemy" you mean the women and children who live in the mountains, I'm not surprised. Superman's never been big on genocide."
Terrorist: "One thing I learned during my time in California is that everything is negotiable. Maybe the body of his good friend will convince him to open a dialogue."
Lois: "Oh my god, Jimmy!"
Gun: "BLAM!"
*Superman makes it in time to catch the bullet without holding back*
How do I know he's not holding back like usual? Notice also in the page directly following your scan, the first caption bubble indicates that he wasn't holding back his speed. Scan that one too for everyone to see. Yeah, context helps. That dialogue is several seconds long. Thank you for posting that comic scene and reminding me, you've just improved my examples by a great deal. Writer analysis into speed, his timing and what happens when he doesn't hold back. That's three times. Thanks again!
Originally posted by bean_machineI don't know how instantaneous his acceleration has to be. The very first panel already shows him going at those speeds to be intangible, how the hell am I supposed to judge how quickly he got to that state if I can't even see how he began?! CONTEXT PLEASE.
How fast does Supes have to accelerate to be able to do this. I mean he stole this trick from Flash.
Originally posted by bean_machineMaybe you don't quite understand. Just look at the highway and show me a car that is currently going 60 mph. Now you're asking me how quickly did he accelerate to reach that plateau of 60 mph. How in the jimmeny cricket's can I fugging tell?! He could have accelerated at 1 mph every minute from the start to slowly and eventually get to 60 mph or he could have peeled rubber and gone from 0-60 in 6 seconds. I CAN'T TELL. NO CONTEXT. I didn't see what happened from the start when he was standing still to the time he's actually going at those speeds. WTH.
How fast do you have to accelerate to become intangible?
BTW, since you seem intent on supporting batdude123's 'speedblitz' and instant acceleration theories, why don't you try cracking the points that I just made about some of your recent scans?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
5) Caught 500 aliens in mid air before they could react? It took him two-and-a-half seconds to do so. Still started at supersonic speeds.
From Tron in the Forum Rules thread
Concerning Superspeed
It's said that the speed of thought is about 30 m/s.
Note that it's meters per second, not miles
Reference:http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/DavidParizh.shtml
(Now this isn't in stone, if you feel you know something that you believe is better, then go with it).
32 Meters per Second = 71.5527950310559 Miles per Hour
and
150 Meters per Second = 335.40372670807454 Miles per Hour
Starting at supersonic speeds is still good enough to speedblitz Doom. Even if the speed of though is 150 meters per second, which is about 335 miles per hour, Superman has enough time to get to Doom before he registers a thought unless they start over 350 meters (a very minimal estimate) apart from each other, which was not specified at the beginning of the thread so. You don't need instant light speed acceleration to speedblitz somebody.
Another thing, Superman can reach the earth's atmosphere within a few seconds and then use his heat vision to blow the shit out of the planet. I don't know much about Doom, so someone let me know if Doom can survive the destruction of the earth, with his magic shields? After that, Supes flies towards the Hulk and throws him into the sun, since Hulk has not flight capabilities.
Originally posted by Tron
Well if you ask that, then you gotta ask why they punk Galactus also, and why Uatu the Watcher asks them for help.But of course, I assume you know very little of Doom, so for your viewing pleasure; he's power drained the Surfer, Galactus, Watchers
and the Beyonder, his having outright conquered marvel earth and given it back out of boredom, his having made the heroes reborn earth into his personal fiefdom, having survived shots from Thanos using the power gem, having caught Captain America's shield mid throw, having killed a lion when unarmed and unarmoured, having managed to put one over on Mephisto himself, having immunized himself to Magneto's powers, having built a time machine, having built devices that let him move around in frozen time, having mastered a technique that lets him switch bodies with targets at will, being considered a legitimate candidate for Sorceror Supreme of the Earth dimension, having succeeded in developing a cure for the Thing's condition, having taken mental attacks from the Overmind and a Purple Man who had enslaved the entire planet, having thrown down in personal combat with Adam Warlock and the Magus...So, still think Doom's the first to die?
Yeah but doesn't he need prep? Dr Doom most likely could beat Magneto if he knew he was going to face him, but if he had to fight him out of the blue he does not have a magneto defeating device on him and he is wearing metal! 😱
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
BTW, thanks for providing me context for your speed feats. Oh whoops... you still haven't. Nice to see when my illustration encapsulates what you're debating skills amount to that you have to resort to ignoring it rather then addressing it. I have that effect on people. It's called shutting people up and making them move on. [b]This is point one where you fail. You can rectify this by giving me context of those speed feats, which I've repeatedly asked for. That way, I can analyze them in the same way you have. If not, you fail.And now you're apparently agreeing that Superman needs momentum to reach top speeds... but that momentum is instantaneous. I've been attacking this premise from the very start and you keep pointing to average speeds or, "Well if he can reach those speeds, his acceleration must be instantaneous." You know what that is? That's assuming your conclusion before you prove it. Its the most basic form of logical fallacy. This is point two where you fail. You can rectify this by showing me instances where he is able to reach those speeds ".000000001 seconds" from a dead start. If you can't, you're simply assuming and you fail.
So Superman didn't really 'speedblitz' Wonderwoman. Also, Superman not being able to stop people from being shot... that is no indication that his speed has limits. Plot device. Yeah, that's it. I guess 'Sacrifice' (only one of the most highly anticipated superhero bouts in DC history and crucial event leading to Infinite Crisis) is pure crap. Oh and writer Brian Azzarello is a complete douschebag and inferior in Superman knowledge to you. Superman couldn't save the people from being shot and he said, "... not fast enough." He was actually lying, he thought it'd be neat to have people die and/or big oversight in DC continuity. Those editors suck. Sure it happens. Lovely how it happened very recently, in very popular stories and it happened twice. But according to you, they don't count because your examples are somehow better than mine? This is point three where you fail. I can reconcile your speed feats with my own examples and you can't do the same. All that you are essentially doing is assuming your examples are better writing and mine are bad writing. You can rectify this by reconciling my examples or just admitting that I can come up with a solution and you can't. [/B]
*sigh* Your post is completely ridiculous. You're hanging on to an absolutely USELESS point. Every single speedster has to accelerate to a certain point in order to reach top speeds. That's common sense. Superman CAN accelerate to said speeds faster than either Doom OR Hulk could even register. That's why he can SPEEDBLITZ. Just like Flash, Diana, Zoom, Northstar, Kid Flash, etc. etc.
Listen to what you're saying about his acceleration. That it takes him a couple seconds to reach top speed.... The problem with that is, it only took a couple seconds to reach the sun from what I've told you before. Are you saying that Superman now stands there for two seconds, and then TELEPORTS??? 🤨 😕 🙄 You have the mental capacity of a three-year-old with ADD. You can't seem to drop the fact that his acceleration rate IS faster than either Hulk or Doom could sense/hit/see.
Exactly how fast do you have to be to speedblitz Captain Atom, GL John, Power Girl, and Starfire all at once, before they could even do anything about it?
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermangoingallout6pd.jpg
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermangoingallout29qk.jpg
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermangoingallout32ft.jpg
Here, making Mongul look like a fool w/ his speed:
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpg
Or how about here where he completely annihilates an Imperiex Probe
with his speed:
http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanfightingathighspeeds7l.jpg
Here's also a nifty little scan. Catching all the debris piece by piece before it hit anybody.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5242877
Apparently Superman is fast enough in combat to sock a blitzing Zoom out cold:
http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=e2supermanpwningzoomae9.jpg
Here he shows his hand speed by vibrating his arm so fast that it shatters Cyborg Superman to pieces:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Superman/SupermanandCyborg.jpg
Yeah, you still haven't covered this one either. He moved so fast (in a short burst while RUNNING, no less.... he's MUCH faster in the air) that the people couldn't even register him as a freakin' BLUR!
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=7016886
And don't try and tell me that Hulk is immune to a speedblitz either. Here, Northstar completely makes a fool out of Hulk using his speed. 🙄
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF29.jpg
I find your attempts at debating Superman's speed AVERAGE at best. All you've got to hang on is your half-assed theory that it would take Superman a couple of seconds to build up momentum to where he could successfully speedblitz someone. Well, guess what? That ain't the case, son...
And you have YET to counter Superman's other powers that would completely destroy Hulk and Doom as well.
Intangibility:
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1971/supermanfast3ar.jpg
Invisibility:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Supermangoininvisible.jpg
T-Vo; which would end the fight in and of itself. Once Superman draws them into his own astral plane, he is essentially GOD in there. They are under HIS rules, and Superman can make anything possible there. Even their own powers fall subject against them. Don't believe me?
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vo23kw.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vo31hz.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=torquasmvo4po.jpg
http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=speed6gj.jpg
http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vo8tc.jpg
Or how about him absorbing their bio-energies?
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanvol2007p20ne7.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanvol2007p21pt6.jpg
Please, this is just pathetic. Superman and Magneto 10/10. 🙄
Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, kind of like how Mjolnir is > Magneto.... oh, wait.... WHAT!!!??? AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/MightilyOats/Magneto87.jpg
And Doom doesn't have any prep time.
Doom's magic >>> Mjolner 😄
Mjolner is still a metal substance with no protection from Mags, so its still possible for Mags to manipulate it
