Zack (FF7) vs Jecht (FFX)

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
I can't believe this topic is still alive.

The Final Aeon have enough power to penetrate Sin's body and then defeat it. I've played the game and I remember that it is well stated by the characters.

We don't know if Genesis Avatar is as powerful as the Final Aeon, I don't think that Genesis Avatar would defeat the whole Sin, I truly do not.

In fact, Sin is truly powerful due of his size nothing more, but 'size' it doesn't mean power.

Well, sin is powerful for more reasons than he's big.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Zack is nothing special? Even if this were true his feats make him exponentially more powerful than Tidus, who defeated Jecht in two different games.

Zack was the second most powerful member of SOLDIER, he defeated Genesis Avatar, comparable to Braska's Final Aeon, and bested the goddess of thee planet, Minerva, in combat. Sin is not as powerful as all of Gaia's spirit energy, and the avatar of the whole lifestream accepted Zack as a worthy opponent. Jecht is an ant before his might.

2nd most? I'm sure its stated Sephiroth and Genesis are equals in combat abilities unless you gave both of them first place ermm

Sephiroth and Genesis were equals during the flashback scene and at the beginning of the game, but Sephiroth is constantly growing stronger according to Hojo in Before Crisis. That is why Zack loses to Sephiroth at Nibelheim but defeats not only a fully healed Genesis, but also Genesis when he was drawing power from the lifestream and fused with the goddess materia.

So Final Aeon wins, right? But I still think Zack can beat the normal Jecht.

No, because Zack is greater than anyone in FF X, so if they could take him Zack could do it better. Zack makes a living beating the Aeons of his universe, as well as incredibly powerful monsters, any form of Jecht is cake for him.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
No, because Zack is greater than anyone in FF X, so if they could take him Zack could do it better. Zack makes a living beating the Aeons of his universe, as well as incredibly powerful monsters, any form of Jecht is cake for him.

What makes you think Zack is better than everyone in the FFX universe? That's a bold claim. And even so, what makes you think he is better than all of them at the same time?

Again, you are giving Zack far too much credit. I'm beginning to think you are doing so simply because you are a fan.

Zack's super-soldier status would put him above the norm Final Fantasy X characters. In fact Auron would be the only match for Zack should someone make that comparission(can explain if needed).

Being able to breach Sin's outer skin doesn't really give away any endurance feat;it just means that Zack would get wtf pwned in one hit. So Zack could just hack away at it like the Genesis Avatar(sorry).

C'mon Zack isn't out of luck even if he loses this fight. Besides if Wakka, Rikku, and Kimahri could survive(they pretty much jump him according to canon) then Zack should have hope.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Zack's super-soldier status would put him above the norm Final Fantasy X characters. In fact Auron would be the only match for Zack should someone make that comparission(can explain if needed.

I must agree that Auron can be the only match for Zack. But Auron could easily have more experience in battle than Zack.
Seriously... Zack can't against all the Final Fantasy X team, that's a ridiculous claim, no matter how much "super-human" he is. He can't beat an entire team by himself.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Zack's super-soldier status would put him above the norm Final Fantasy X characters. In fact Auron would be the only match for Zack should someone make that comparission(can explain if needed).

Perhaps, but not far enough above that he would be able to kill them all by himself. I don't even think Cloud could pull that one off.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
C'mon Zack isn't out of luck even if he loses this fight. Besides if Wakka, Rikku, and Kimahri could survive(they pretty much jump him according to canon) then Zack should have hope.

Wait, Rikku, Wakka, and Kimahri jump who according to cannon?

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
I must agree that Auron can be the only match for Zack. But Auron could easily have more experience in battle than Zack.
Seriously... Zack can't against all the Final Fantasy X team, that's a ridiculous claim, no matter how much "super-human" he is. He can't beat an entire team by himself.

Exactly.

Originally posted by TacDavey
Wait, Rikku, Wakka, and Kimahri jump who according to cannon?

I'm sorry I didn't clarify that. I meant to say the whole party jumped the Final Aeon since they all get credit for fighting Sin; even though you only can use three characters at a time they all fight him right?

I'm arguing because I'm a fan? Lol, that's great coming from the guy who thinks that an alcoholic ex athlete could defeat one of the world's best super human military fighters. Just as John Elway couldn't win a fight against a Navy SEAL, Jecht has no hope against Zack.

But this is Final Aeon Jecht Vs. Zack now.

Even so Zack takes it. He's beaten many powerful beasts before including summons and he's defeated genesis Avatar without breaking a sweat. Besides, if the Final Aeon can't kill Tidus it's a joke for any SOLDIER.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I'm sorry I didn't clarify that. I meant to say the whole party jumped the Final Aeon since they all get credit for fighting Sin; even though you only can use three characters at a time they all fight him right?

Yeah, technically they are all there. Plus, you can switch out in battle.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
I'm arguing because I'm a fan? Lol, that's great coming from the guy who thinks that an alcoholic ex athlete could defeat one of the world's best super human military fighters. Just as John Elway couldn't win a fight against a Navy SEAL, Jecht has no hope against Zack.

I'm thinking you like Zack enough to support him even when he would obviously loose. I don't usually bring this up, but when you make a claim like Zack can defeat sin by himself, or the WHOLE FFX crew by himself, I start to wonder. You are giving Zack WAY too much credit. He's not that big a deal, at all.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Even so Zack takes it. He's beaten many powerful beasts before including summons and he's defeated genesis Avatar without breaking a sweat. Besides, if the Final Aeon can't kill Tidus it's a joke for any SOLDIER.

The final Aeon would slaughter Tidus, if he was by himself. He needed his team for that fight.

Tidus team doesn't have a single member that's as powerful as Zack, he'd one shot the team one member at a time without too much trouble. Speaking the truth is never giving too much trouble, Zack defeated 3 summoned beasts on his own, defeated two other elite SOLDIER 1sts, defeated a monster that was a SOLDIER 1st fused with a huge materia and drawing power from the lifestream, and took out all but 3 infantryman and 1 helicopter out of a batallion of 1,000 troops and 3 choppers. Not a single member of the FF X party could do any of those feats, much less all of them. Zack is better trained, superhuman, and ranks higher in every category.

This shit is still going? Meh.

Without some kind of PIS and/or urine involved...

Zack > Jecht

Zack < Jecht while not nerfed for Zack to win.

Zack can't beat Sephiroth by himself though...

Zack wasn't at his peak when he fought Sephiroth, and even then Sephiroth is more powerful than any form of Jecht so the point is moot.

What do you mean he wasn't at his peak?

Well Zack isn't > Sephiroth in any way besides being a good guy/hero maybe, so why that's being brought up I'm not really sure.....oh, we PISed ourselves again I see.