I'm a staunch Zack supporter. However since its pretty much impossible to prove if he can actually win, I'll just have to try and nerf Jecht some. What if we used the Final Aeon that beat Sin rather then became Sin;or the basis of it since it appears as more of a sentient heart when you actually face it.
There you have it. Part of a last ditch effort to give Zack some hope and to understand the whole Jecht being Sin thing.(for me anyway)
Erm...Zack pwns normal Jecht. Maybe it would be cool watching, maybe not. Zack would have to goof to lose.
Zack would need PIS to beat the Final Aeon ALA Cloud vs. Sephiroth style, if any of that makes sense...
Yes, unnerfed Jecht and the Final Aeon are synonymous. Unnerfed Jecht is also synonymous with Sin.
These are true even though the Final Aeon and Sin aren't the same. I don't see why he can't represent both, when the game says it.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He did in Dissidia.
Yes..... Dissidia. I don't know how to take Dissidia. The characters are obviously on a separate level than they were in their original games. Obviously the developers had to make them all equal to make it a fighting game, so I'm not sure just how accurate it is.
If it IS cannon, it's inconsistent.
Originally posted by FWahMaN
Erm...Zack pwns normal Jecht. Maybe it would be cool watching, maybe not. Zack would have to goof to lose.Zack would need PIS to beat the Final Aeon ALA Cloud vs. Sephiroth style, if any of that makes sense...
Yes, unnerfed Jecht and the Final Aeon are synonymous. Unnerfed Jecht is also synonymous with Sin.
These are true even though the Final Aeon and Sin aren't the same. I don't see why he can't represent both, when the game says it.
How do you know if we never get to see what human Jecht would do?
That's how it is on KMC. If we've not been shown something about a dude/dudette and he's up against a dude/dudette we've seen things from, then the person without showings has 0 showings. People go by what people have done. It's one of the best ways to debate.
We saw what he can do in Dissidia, although it may not be much. I don't have the game. I saw where he blitzed Tidus though.
So I meant by feats, Zack all the way. Zack would be like an ant to Sin, only less noticeable and useless damaging (without PIS or something like the Hymn to weaken Sin. This is what was used by the FFX team. I'm sure of it. In fact, ALL of Spira were singing that, and it weakened Sin).
The situation of Jecht being Sin is still confusing me a bit. The game states that they are essentially one and the same yet you fight them as two seperate things. So does the Final Aeon that is used to make Sin still contain the power that it had to beat the previous one? Along with that I don't really know any define durability feats of the Final Aeon that put it above the regular ones you summon(I'm sorry if that sounds stupid) which could give Zack some hope of damaging it.
I know Sin is an almighty unkillable thing, however if its insides are equally as strong then there would be no hope of the party actually beating Sin(aside from the hymn of the fayth). Zack also has experience fighting summons so that would help too right? I'm not sure...but I'll just stick to this for now.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakkaFinal Aeon is durable. His body can withstand fire, because it was coming out of him. Also he can insta-petrify you with nigh instantaneous eye beams ftw. 313
The situation of Jecht being Sin is still confusing me a bit. The game states that they are essentially one and the same yet you fight them as two seperate things. So does the Final Aeon that is used to make Sin still contain the power that it had to beat the previous one? Along with that I don't really know any define durability feats of the Final Aeon that put it above the regular ones you summon(I'm sorry if that sounds stupid) which could give Zack some hope of damaging it.I know Sin is an almighty unkillable thing, however if its insides are equally as strong then there would be no hope of the party actually beating Sin(aside from the hymn of the fayth). Zack also has experience fighting summons so that would help too right? I'm not sure...but I'll just stick to this for now.
He would be like, Zack! Watch out...Sephiroth's behind..you
Zack: *turns around* "ZOMG WARE!?!?!"
FA: *petrifies*
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
The situation of Jecht being Sin is still confusing me a bit. The game states that they are essentially one and the same yet you fight them as two seperate things. So does the Final Aeon that is used to make Sin still contain the power that it had to beat the previous one? Along with that I don't really know any define durability feats of the Final Aeon that put it above the regular ones you summon(I'm sorry if that sounds stupid) which could give Zack some hope of damaging it.
The regular ones can't beat sin. What do you mean?
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I know Sin is an almighty unkillable thing, however if its insides are equally as strong then there would be no hope of the party actually beating Sin(aside from the hymn of the fayth). Zack also has experience fighting summons so that would help too right? I'm not sure...but I'll just stick to this for now.
Not much. Again, we are talking about an entire team going up against this enemy. Zack is just one man.
Originally posted by TacDavey
The regular ones can't beat sin. What do you mean?
I was comparing the Final Aeon to the other Aeons you summon in the game. I was questioning whether or not the Final Aeon was more durable than the others like oh say...bahamut; not to other Final Aeons used before it. Since its used to be Sin, it obviously packs more power than them but would it exactly make it more durable? I don't know.
I would try to give Zack more feats but I'd be contradicting myself a bit.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I was comparing the Final Aeon to the other Aeons you summon in the game. I was questioning whether or not the Final Aeon was more durable than the others like oh say...bahamut; not to other Final Aeons used before it. Since its used to be Sin, it obviously packs more power than them but would it exactly make it more durable? I don't know.I would try to give Zack more feats but I'd be contradicting myself a bit.
I would think so. The Final Aeon is all around more powerful than the other Aeons. It would need to be in order to beat sin.
Trust me. Zack looses in this fight. If Zack could beat the Final Aeon by himself, he should NOT have lost to a bunch of soldiers. He should have been able to take down armies.