Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I didn't mention prep-time.'In a scenario fight, the contestants in whose city/reality the fight takes place are allowed access to any material resources they usually have there or of any team they're active members of, as long as they can reasonably get to them. '
So he can use these then? Like I said?
I was too lazy to remove the prep part.
Are you saying construct something while being covered?
Where will he get the resources?
Originally posted by Victor Von Doomtrying to refrain from that.
Well, unless this fight is taking place in a vacuum...Why are people insisting that Reed not be allowed to try something other than stretch?
Like I said, the weapons he uses should be mentioned at the start of the thread, like batman or doom or any other prep man.
Most of what you've said in your multiple posts. I've covered. So I'm taking the new parts:
Originally posted by Creshosk
And rules are rules. Do you think it's fair to have a person have the rules bent in their favor?
I'm not bending the rules. I'm ignoring them because they have no authority over me nor are they realistic or applicable.
Originally posted by Creshosk
So we listen to the comics when they suit you?
No. You are just stupid and don't understand anything I say. Sorry if that comes across as an insult, it's just true. You feltch the rule book and basically hump the crap out of it, for what? We don't all adhere to what we're told. Because it's bullshit.
Originally posted by Creshosk
if blood lust were allowed.
And who says it's not? The rules? The rules that are quite clearly flawed? As I've given evidence to show?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Unless stated they still act in character though. Bloodlusted Shadowcat kills the Hulk but unless I state that she's bloodlusted in a thread then she (probably) wouldn't resort to killing and at best she stalemates or she loses.
Says who though? Why do you all sheepishly follow these rules despite them stinking more than a welldigger's armpit? They aren't the bible.
Originally posted by The C-Master
Why spiderman doesn't kill people, or the FF is becuase they're heroes, and have MUCH more restraint than guys like wolverine, who are antiheroes, or Dr. Doom.
This isn't the comics though. The reason they don't kill isn't because they're heroes, that's the excuse.
In a fight to win, they have the ability to kill outside of the oppression of the comics. So therefore they would. The morals are only there so the writers have some reason to give as to why they don't kill. That being because they can't kill off characters like that.
The problem here, is that you all follow the rules too blindly and too strongly.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not bending the rules. I'm ignoring them because they have no authority over me nor are they realistic or applicable.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
[QUOTE=4857992]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]KMC rules are what we default to.
And those are what I am going by.[/B][/QUOTE]
I'm getting tired of your B.S.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Says who though? Why do you all sheepishly follow these rules despite them stinking more than a welldigger's armpit? They aren't the bible.
Originally posted by Creshosk
It's got nothing to do with Reed personally.
It has though, because he is being limited in scope by misapplication. Just because the fight takes place in a neutral setting, doesn't mean he is reduced to stretching only, it's not actually what he does, even in those situations.
That's actually the only point I'm making. You can only reduce 'circumstance' so far before you are actually doing power bio versus power bio.
Everyone here is adhering to a bullshit rule book, and you need to realise that.
It has nothing to do with me not liking it, as the examples I've given show.
If you don't want Jonny to kill Spidey in an instant because he could and would, given that this is the nature and purpose of a fantasy forum outside the comics (to see who would win), then don't put them against each other. Don't put Torch against a lesser opponent and then take away his ability to make it even.
The rules are ridiculous.
-AC
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomIt has nothing to do with reed personally.
It's not even about resources really. It's about reducing Reed to stretch-man when that's not actually how he fights, resources or not.
But why should we bend the rules for reed?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not bending the rules. I'm ignoring them because they have no authority over me nor are they realistic or applicable.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
[QUOTE=4857992]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]KMC rules are what we default to.
And those are what I am going by.[/B][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Everyone here is adhering to a bullshit rule book, and you need to realise that.It has nothing to do with me not liking it, as the examples I've given show.
If you don't want Jonny to kill Spidey in an instant because he could and would, given that this is the nature and purpose of a fantasy forum outside the comics (to see who would win), then don't put them against each other. Don't put Torch against a lesser opponent and then take away his ability to make it even.
The rules are ridiculous.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
[QUOTE=4857992]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]KMC rules are what we default to.
And those are what I am going by.[/B][/QUOTE]
You are being quite baised. You are trying to break, or discard the rules in your favor.
I think I have sufficently proved my point.
Originally posted by Creshosk
I'm getting tired of your B.S.
You're getting tired of MY B.S?
That was when we were specifically discussing the weapons and for intents and purposes, I was going along with them. I wasn't stating I agree with the rules, as you conveniently missed. For that purpose and example, I played by the rules to prove how faulty they were.
I've been whooping you ever since you replied. So let's not let you get deluded into thinking you're doing anything besides cheering.
Let's not overlook the fact that I'm not trying to bend rules. I'm not even adhering to them. I refuse to be a part of such a biased, self-righteous set of claims.
This has nothing specifically to do with the thread, it's in general. They are terrible rules. Regardless of who it involves.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriWhen the rules are conveinent for you you listen to them. But when they hinder you you discard them.
You're getting tired of MY B.S?That was when we were specifically discussing the weapons and for intents and purposes, I was going along with them. I wasn't stating I agree with the rules, as you conveniently missed.
I've been whooping you ever since you replied. So let's not let you get deluded into thinking you're doing anything besides cheering.
-AC
Your arguments are baised, and you have lied repeatedly.
You have proven nothing other than your own bais, and are not an objective debator.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
In a fight to win, they have the ability to kill outside of the oppression of the comics.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So therefore they would. The morals are only there so the writers have some reason to give as to why they don't kill.
I disagree here, simply because there are several heroes that have no quams about killing.
Spiderman's holding back is as consistant as batman's not killing.
Guys like spiderman, torch, and sue are not killers, they're heroes. To take that away from them removes their essence.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That being because they can't kill off characters like that.
So you are implying unintentionally that the fact that they don't kill is a plot device, or a pis when going against big shots?
Yes, the plot must stay interesting BUT there are characters like logan and batman and hulk (savage), who have no quams about killing.
Punisher anyone?
IF these were the characters up for discussion fine, but they truly aren't.
As for the rules, you can make it so the character kills, but it MUST be specified at the start of the thread.
Blame the thread starter, not I.
Originally posted by Creshosk
When the rules are conveinent for you you listen to them. But when they hinder you you discard them.
No it's not. They weren't convenient for me then. I went with them to prove how diabolical they are. They haven't hindered me one bit. YOU are the one's blindly following them.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Your arguments are baised, and you have lied repeatedly.
I haven't. You're just pulling shit out of your ass, shouting "The rules.", "Read the rules" as if it's the bible.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You have proven nothing other than your own bais, and are not an objective debator.
That's what you want to believe. You couldn't tackle me on topic, so you dragged it off. Point proven.
-AC
Originally posted by Creshosk
It has nothing to do with reed personally.But why should we bend the rules for reed?
What rule is being bent? Reed isn't just a stretchy man, he uses brains, planning, whatever is available (be that little OR NOTHING here, it doesn't matter).
By saying there is no room to think within this paradigm and envision something he himself could envision is a bit tedious. Why have the debate?
It's not actually adding anything that isn't there. No rule is being bent or broken.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriLike I stated before, ALL of this can be avoided with a thread that states what reed has and that it is a fight to the death.
Everyone here is adhering to a bullshit rule book, and you need to realise that.It has nothing to do with me not liking it, as the examples I've given show.
If you don't want Jonny to kill Spidey in an instant because he could and would, given that this is the nature and purpose of a fantasy forum outside the comics (to see who would win), then don't put them against each other. Don't put Torch against a lesser opponent and then take away his ability to make it even.
The rules are ridiculous.
-AC
Since it wasn't explicitly stated...
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomThe rules I showed you.
What rule is being bent? Reed isn't just a stretchy man, he uses brains, planning, whatever is available (be that little OR NOTHING here, it doesn't matter).By saying there is no room to think within this paradigm and envision something he himself could envision is a bit tedious. Why have the debate?
It's not actually adding anything that isn't there. No rule is being bent or broken.
He has to remain in the same confines as everyone else.