Fantastic Four vs X-Men

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
lol, many things suck, but anyways.

Its bloodlust, the characters fight to the best of their abilities but in character. I sympathise with you 100%.

What you said is true, I JUST made the same argument.

I also agree that these threads need to be specified as well.

To answer your question, spiderman would have to ko' him, incapacitate him for a win, no smothering.

Also keep in mind that spiderman doesn't even kill his foes or exposable characters.

His foes are alive because he LET them live.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Its bloodlust, the characters fight to the best of their abilities but in character.

We've established that not killing as a result of "character" is for sales though. So now that sales aren't relevant, why is bloodlust an option and not a default? That's the purpose of this forum. Fighting to see who would win. If I wanted to see who would let who live, I'd buy the comic.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
To answer your question, spiderman would have to ko' him, incapacitate him for a win, no smothering.

Also keep in mind that spiderman doesn't even kill his foes or exposable characters.

His foes are alive because he LET them live.

This is all based around the comics though.

Like I said, free of all the burdens of sales, why is bloodlust an option and not a default?

-AC

Bloodlust

It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

I agree with you about 99%

No, that makes no sense.

You cannot fight with lust for blood, and have some moral dilemma. Bloodlust should be the only rule for this forum. None of that "in character" BS. Because it's not in the comics.

-AC

They really should rename that rule, since this is still within the character's personalities.

Bloodlust is generally a lust for blood, or Killing Intent. . .

I'm sorry AC, I can't do anything about that, but I agree that you believe they win WITH what you said, I'm just saying its slightly out of boundaries to the thread starter.

The other thread started by creshosk is right on with what you are saying.

All in all it wasn't the best thought out thread, which irritated the FF fans.

Or...change the actual rules so that the only rule is that it's the characters, fighting, to the death.

If it's an easy win, don't make the thread. It will be a lot more fun that way, a lot more realistic (in terms of powers) and a lot more like a fantasy battle forum should be.

If you wanna specify an arena etc, fine. But it shouldn't be any of this in character nonsense.

-AC

There's a distinction between "free of all burdens of sales" and "free of all burdens of intrinsic character" that you don't seem to acknowledge though.

Yea, I do agree that the its nigh impossible for there to be a fair FF vs Xmen bout. I said that early on.

Why don't you pm tron?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There's a distinction between "free of all burdens of sales" and "free of all burdens of intrinsic character" that you don't seem to acknowledge though.

I acknowledge, they're just irrelevant.

If I want to see who will grant mercy, I'll buy the comic. I come here to discuss who will win fights, at any cost. As is the purpose of a fantasy forum.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I acknowledge, they're just irrelevant.

If I want to see who will grant mercy, I'll buy the comic. I come here to discuss who will win fights, at any cost. As is the purpose of a fantasy forum.

-AC

Meh, just specify the threads and we'll be fine.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
In which case you're more than welcome to make threads in which the conditions stipulate no holds barred fight to the death. I don't see why 5 pages of this thread had to be taken up because the conditions of this particular thread didn't conform to your desired scenario.

In the other thread, everyone recognised that the F4 could smoke the X-Men in seconds. If everyone knows that, why isn't it being concluded here? Here's why: Because some genius decided that you have to adhere to character morals that are only in place for comic purposes, not relevant here.

As I said there; It's not a fantasy forum if it's exactly like the comics is it?

-AC

But now aren't comics relevant to comic debates, there has to be a line.

Hypothetical logical reasoning, but also within that characters abilities.

Thats how it stays balanced...

The characters are used and so is the world in which they live.

The only reason characters who can kill, don't kill, is because of sales and the fact that they can't have Torch killing Captain America. Despite the fact that he could in about 2 seconds.

The moral element is one thing that needn't be used here.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
In the other thread, everyone recognised that the F4 could smoke the X-Men in seconds. If everyone knows that, why isn't it being concluded here? Here's why: Because some genius decided that you have to adhere to character morals that are only in place for comic purposes, not relevant here.

As I said there; It's not a fantasy forum if it's exactly like the comics is it?

-AC

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If your talking about the thread made by Creshosk then yes the FF beat these particular X-Men easily (BL Shadowcat can still kill 3/4 of them). Why isn't it concluded here because the parameters set in the other thread have not been set here.

Exactly.

The parameters that have been set are ones that don't belong on a fantasy forum because they are rules only in place for the aid of the comics.

Surely one of you will get this sooner or later.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The only reason characters who can kill, don't kill, is because of sales

So that would mean that sue getting the better of emma is inconclusive then, since thats not at their best, and she was posturing.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The characters are used and so is the world in which they live.

The only reason characters who can kill, don't kill, is because of sales and the fact that they can't have Torch killing Captain America. Despite the fact that he could in about 2 seconds.

The moral element is one thing that needn't be used here.

-AC

Quick question: does spiderman kill bank robbers? Noone would care...

On that same note, Punisher killed the MU in a comic.