Originally posted by xmarksthespotEmma is doing alot isn't she battling off Sue. While reading Reed's mind and messing with the other two. Not saying she isn't strong but this is over extending her if you ask me. Sue alone has proven a match for her and I think that without her the X-Men team can't beat the other three.
Yes, but what are you implying Reed does if he does indeed have no resources. He is quite adept at tactics but so too are two of his opponents, and any tactic he concocts in that brilliant mind is no secret to Emma Frost.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Ability, but not morality.
Morality is an attribute made up to stop them doing things in the comics. Not here.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I disagree here, simply because there are several heroes that have no quams about killing.
Thanos has no qualms about killing. He doesn't go around killing off major characters. It's just reputation. Unless you count the infinity gauntlet etc. In which he's a rare exception and it was a one off. Nobody in comics actually kills regularly, moral or not. Because of sales and consistancy. You aren't making any sense.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spiderman's holding back is as consistant as batman's not killing.
Drop the morality curtain. It doesn't work.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Guys like spiderman, torch, and sue are not killers, they're heroes. To take that away from them removes their essence.
In the comics, yes. Thanos is a "killer"....we're told. As I proved above, not alot of killing actually gets done. Because of sales. I can't believe I have to explain the same points more than once.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So you are implying unintentionally that the fact that they don't kill is a plot device, or a pis when going against big shots?
No. Listen to me please, please.
If Thanos fought Captain America. He could kill him by blinking. He wouldn't. Not because of morals, but because of the fact that Captain America isn't going to be killed off is he? The EXCUSE may be "Mercy" or "morals". But that isn't why is it?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Yes, the plot must stay interesting BUT there are characters like logan and batman and hulk (savage), who have no quams about killing.
When was the last time Hulk went on a killing spree and killed loads of known names?
Often? Or never?
The fact is, moral character or not, killing NEVER gets done ALOT in comics to the major names because they are major names. They COULD do it with their powers, they don't because of business. Here, business isn't relevant.
-AC
Alpha:
If it irritates you so much go kill the X-Men here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=363924
That should have the parameters you need to make it a "fair" fight.
Originally posted by Creshosk
The rules I showed you.He has to remain in the same confines as everyone else.
Which he will be. I'm not suggesting he isn't.
Answer the following question-
In deciding the outcome of this fight, do the rules state that it is not allowed that a poster envision Reed coming up with a strategy based upon what is available, who is available, and the opponents in the particular battle, in order to win?
Originally posted by newjak86
Emma is doing alot isn't she battling off Sue. While reading Reed's mind and messing with the other two. Not saying she isn't strong but this is over extending her if you ask me. Sue alone has proven a match for her and I think that without her the X-Men team can't beat the other three.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yes, but what are you implying Reed does if he does indeed have no resources. He is quite adept at tactics but so too are two of his opponents (Storm and Cyclops have lead for years as well), and any tactic he concocts in that brilliant mind is no secret to Emma Frost.
If that's the case, then so be it.
I'm asking that the man not be limited to stretching: if anyone agrees with that statement, they are arguing at cross purposes with me because I'm not saying anything else.
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomNot only is it allowed, its expected of every character.
Which he will be. I'm not suggesting he isn't.Answer the following question-
In deciding the outcome of this fight, do the rules state that it is not allowed that a poster envision Reed coming up with a strategy based upon what is available, who is available, and the opponents in the particular battle, in order to win?
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Which he will be. I'm not suggesting he isn't.Answer the following question-
In deciding the outcome of this fight, do the rules state that it is not allowed that a poster envision Reed coming up with a strategy based upon what is available, who is available, and the opponents in the particular battle, in order to win?
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriSo the FF are so special that they shouldn't be bound by the same rules as everyone else?
It's not about these specific characters, it's about you making stupid claims like "being under the same confines as everyone else" when these unique characters in Marvel are all different.-AC
Originally posted by xmarksthespotHe won't Wolverine will make sure of that.
Well for some reason Reed is being given free reign to plot away without having to face any opponents...?
Originally posted by Creshosk
So the FF are so special that they shouldn't be bound by the same rules as everyone else?
Did you skip where I said it's not about these specific characters?
Every person in Marvel is unique, why are you going to lengths to put them all in the same confines? Stupid isn't it?
Don't put Torch against Wolverine if you know he can crisp him. But don't create the thread and take away Torch's power just for the purpose of having a thread.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Morality is an attribute made up to stop them doing things in the comics. Not here.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Thanos has no qualms about killing. He doesn't go around killing off major characters. It's just reputation. Unless you count the infinity gauntlet etc. In which he's a rare exception and it was a one off. Nobody in comics actually kills regularly, moral or not. Because of sales and consistancy. You aren't making any sense.
Then this is PIS, I explained this explicitly.
Why doesn't flash ko all of his opponents in a picosecond?
Sales thats why, does that apply here, no.
Thanos WILL kill captain america by blinking, in this forum, he's not bound by CIS like SS may be.
Go make a thread, and everyone will say, "thanos will kill cap by blinking". Thats acceptable.
If I go make a thread and say "spiderman will knock off punisher's head, that isn't.
Thats the difference, you are disagreeing with a person who agrees.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
In the comics, yes. Thanos is a "killer"....we're told. As I proved above, not alot of killing actually gets done. Because of sales. I can't believe I have to explain the same points more than once.
Thanos will do it in this forum though, he has no quams about killing, thats pis.
Spiderman can kill, but he won't, thats him.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If Thanos fought Captain America. He could kill him by blinking. He wouldn't. Not because of morals, but because of the fact that Captain America isn't going to be killed off is he? The EXCUSE may be "Mercy" or "morals". But that isn't why is it?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
When was the last time Hulk went on a killing spree and killed loads of known names?
Often? Or never?
The fact is, moral character or not, killing NEVER gets done ALOT in comics to the major names because they are major names. They COULD do it with their powers, they don't because of business. Here, business isn't relevant.
-AC [/B][/QUOTE]
I sympathise with you again, amazing, in fact I just said it in another post.
You can use the rules to make a thread where all of this can happen, just debate there.
The rules suck, but they're there to keep it fair.
Originally posted by newjak86
He won't Wolverine will make sure of that.
You take out Emma or any other telepath in her place though and the other three aren't up to the job.
Sorry Johnny takes out Storm Reed or Thing take out Wolverine. You see what I'm saying if Emma can't help because Sue is attacking her the X-Men have no chance.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotHasn't already been proven that Sue has already beat Emma once thats all you need then. If Emma gets taken out the X-Men loose. If Emma can stay in the fight and away from going toe to toe with Sue then their chances increase to a toss up I feel.
Could I ask how you envision Sue attacking Emma?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Thanos will do it in this forum though, he has no quams about killing, thats pis.Spiderman can kill, but he won't, thats him.
Why won't he? The only reason he doesn't kill in the comics is because of sales. He has the power to kill. So if it's a fight between him and Punisher, to the death, for the win. Why are we taking away Spidey's options?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The rules suck, but they're there to keep it fair.
Admitting they suck but claiming they keep it fair?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why won't he? The only reason he doesn't kill in the comics is because of sales. He has the power to kill. So if it's a fight between him and Punisher, to the death, for the win. Why are we taking away Spidey's options?Admitting they suck but claiming they keep it fair?
-AC
lol, many things suck, but anyways.
Its bloodlust, the characters fight to the best of their abilities but in character. I sympathise with you 100%.
What you said is true, I JUST made the same argument.
I also agree that these threads need to be specified as well.
To answer your question, spiderman would have to ko' him, incapacitate him for a win, no smothering.
Also keep in mind that spiderman doesn't even kill his foes or exposable characters. (bank robbers)
His foes are alive because he LET them live.