Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Plot device or no, you have no proof that what you posit will happen.The annoying thing is, both of you agree with this, yet you seem to be arguing against some phantom opponent, and telling me about odds and such, like I'm disagreeing.
Well then, it's settled, you don't disagree. You've made your point and I accept it. Thank you.
What's next?
Originally posted by newjak86
No identifying the target is looking at them or locating them first. Then see must focus on her power.
Originally posted by demigawd
She doesn't. It's a mindblast. She doesn't have to focus or form or choose, just launch. It's green lantern forming and shooting an AK-47 vs. Punisher who already has one. Punisher gets the shot off first, no matter how quickly GL can form the AK-47. Sue needs to form the object, that's always going to be an extra step over someone who doesn't need formation time to attack.
Originally posted by newjak86
No identifying the target is looking at them or locating them first. Then see must focus on her power.
Yes, and that's two steps and only two steps for Emma.
Sue's powers are physical, not mental. They're mentally activated, yes, but she has to take a mental thought and create a physical object out of it. It's just how her power works. Doing that automatically adds an additional step. Surely you see this.
Originally posted by demigawdNo then the attack must be released. Which takes time after the focusing.
Yes, and that's two steps and only two steps for Emma.Sue's powers are physical, not mental. They're mentally activated, yes, but she has to take a mental thought and create a physical object out of it. It's just how her power works. Doing that automatically adds an additional step. Surely you see this.
Originally posted by demigawd
Yes, and that's two steps and only two steps for Emma.Sue's powers are physical, not mental. They're mentally activated, yes, but she has to take a mental thought and create a physical object out of it. It's just how her power works. Doing that automatically adds an additional step. Surely you see this.
I can personally see what you are saying there...but then the only way that's relevant is if it's a quickdraw, both start at same time, both take same amount of time to do each 'step' (not sure how that became the accepted description but anyway).
To me, it seems like one option of many rather than THE option.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Now that was a construtive waste of energy.
It could be that I've always seen you as the Mr. Sinister to AC's Apocalypse, so you've been automatically cast as the FF supporter and evangelist of what's AC's points are, even if you aren't actively supporting them (anymore). Wise move. The FF are underdogs on any thread with a telepath.
But if you'd like to introduce new possibilities in how the fight would go, feel free. It's your idea.
Originally posted by CreshoskYes but it isn't intstant. Focus then attack happens...........Ok I'll admit it I don't really believe that BS just trying to see how you guys would react. 😆
When she's focusing her attack, she is attacking.Start of focus is the start of the attack.
End of focus, is the end of the attack.
Originally posted by demigawd
It could be that I've always seen you as the Mr. Sinister to AC's Apocalypse
Hahaha. AC is the Thing to my Hulk. Literally.
Originally posted by demigawd
, so you've been automatically cast as the FF supporter and evangelist of what's AC's points are
Genuinely couldn't be further (this is the exact polar opposite in fact) of the truth. Ass u me etc.
Originally posted by demigawd
if you aren't actively supporting them (anymore).
No, not '(anymore)'. Don't say you agree then act as if you have somehow skewed the argument with your 'steps' theory. I was never supporting them so much as not supporting the instant-mindwipe-as-fact theory.
Originally posted by demigawd
But if you'd like to introduce new possibilities in how the fight would go, feel free. It's your idea.
Wow. Have been trying to steer the thread towards this for what...last 15 pages now?
Originally posted by newjak86As must ALL of the other characters.
Emma must first identify that there is a problem
Originally posted by newjak86while the others are deciding who to attack.
then decide whther to attack them all at once.
Originally posted by newjak86
Even still I believe that Sue isn't far from Emma and can easily knock out her in this setting.
I don't see it. We have isolated the Sue vs Emma thing.
But what was negected is that Emma can attack all four.
Since she can attack all four, fighting to the best of her abilities, she'd make this desicion, probably at the same time Sue made the same desicion.
Originally posted by newjak86
Yes but it isn't intstant. Focus then attack happens...........Ok I'll admit it I don't really believe that BS just trying to see how you guys would react. 😆
Oh good, I was starting to wonder about you.
Well, then, since you accept the thought process science I put forth, then we won't debate it any further.
Sue can still knock out Emma though and since this isn't quick draw it is more than possible that Sue would have a chance in a team setting as Emma must first identify that there is a problem then decide whther to attack them all at once.
Even still I believe that Sue isn't far from Emma and can easily knock out her in this setting.
Well, this goes to VV Doom's "infinite possibilty" logic, which isn't an invalid point, just a fruitless one. Are there circumstances in which Sue can knock out Emma during the course of an extended battle with bodies flying all over the place? Of course! Just like there are circumstances in which Storm can put down Johnny, Johnny can put out Storm, etc.
But, for the final time, if we're going by, "what's most likely to happen", and last I checked, we are, then what's most likely to happen is that Emma will use an attack that she knows the FF are most vulnerable to.
Any other possibilities are just that...possibilities. And there's no point in debating side scenarios, because there's no end to that.
I think if there aren't any other extraneous points we've pretty much exausted this thread.
Originally posted by CreshoskYes but once again it then comes down to who gets the first attack off. If Sue then Fantastic Four wins. If Emma then X-Men. Sue isn't all that far behind emma in the ability to get her power off if she is even slower and no one knows for sure. It just comes down to what you believe is most likely to happen.
As must ALL of the other characters.while the others are deciding who to attack.
I don't see it. We have isolated the Sue vs Emma thing.
But what was negected is that Emma can attack all four.
Since she can attack all four, fighting to the best of her abilities, she'd make this desicion, probably at the same time Sue made the same desicion.
Originally posted by demigawdWell, this goes to VV Doom's "infinite possibilty" logic, which isn't an invalid point, just a fruitless one.
Shall we stop pretending that's what I said? Thought this was cleared up a while back.
'Stop acting as if I'm suggesting because Emma won't definitely instantly immobilize everyone, that means I think it's just as likely that a comet will fall on the X-Men. '
Originally posted by newjak86
Yes but once again it then comes down to who gets the first attack off. If Sue then Fantastic Four wins. If Emma then X-Men. Sue isn't all that far behind emma in the ability to get her power off if she is even slower and no one knows for sure. It just comes down to what you believe is most likely to happen.
You take Emma out and not put in another Telepath then Fantastic Four win in almost every scenario possible.
Could be. Let's try it. I'll start a new FF thread, like I promised VV Doom anyway...