Fantastic Four vs X-Men

Question:

Why are people are still trying to insist that everyone's favourite crimefighters can beat the team who take out cosmics? They couldn't when you last tried, they still can't.

Let's be perfectly realistic. All of you are going "Yeah Emma will go in, mindwipe. Win." This isn't the British Legion of croned war veterans we're talking about. It's the Fantastic Four. A combination of possibly the smartest man on Earth and one of the smartest men ever, a big strong durable fighter, a woman who has more power and ability than alot of Marvel men and a human star.

How exactly are Marvel's barrel scrapers realistically going to overcome the best TEAM to exist in comic history? Don't go and say "Mindwipe. Then Jean will do this." Because as I said, they're not fighting cripples. They're fighting the F4.

Let's not dive head first into bullshit theory to hide the fact that we (aka Wolverine fanboys) don't know what we're (aka you) talking about. Let's take a step back:

The X-Men Vs The Fantastic Four. Can anybody, without literally scripting the fight in the X-Men's favour, realistically envision a loss for the F4?

-AC

Originally posted by Zahit
i'm sure the x-men will get a call when galactus comes waltzing by for a snack..... ❌

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Question:

Why are people are still trying to insist that everyone's favourite crimefighters can beat the team who take out cosmics? They couldn't when you last tried, they still can't.

Let's be perfectly realistic. All of you are going "Yeah Emma will go in, mindwipe. Win." This isn't the British Legion of croned war veterans we're talking about. It's the Fantastic Four. A combination of possibly the smartest man on Earth and one of the smartest men ever, a big strong durable fighter, a woman who has more power and ability than alot of Marvel men and a human star.

How exactly are Marvel's barrel scrapers realistically going to overcome the best TEAM to exist in comic history? Don't go and say "Mindwipe. Then Jean will do this." Because as I said, they're not fighting cripples. They're fighting the F4.

Let's not dive head first into bullshit theory to hide the fact that we (aka Wolverine fanboys) don't know what we're (aka you) talking about. Let's take a step back:

The X-Men Vs The Fantastic Four. Can anybody, without literally scripting the fight in the X-Men's favour, realistically envision a loss for the F4?

-AC

Welcome back and WELL SAID.

I'm not "back".

Someone who used to visit these forums aswell just brought to my attention how pathetic it's become. I thought it got bad at Gambit Vs Doom.

But I come back to see Wolverine Vs Abomination with people actually claiming Wolverine wins. I'm surprised this forum hasn't been experiencing mass exodus.

I came here because this is one debate that amuses me non-stop.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Question:

Why are people are still trying to insist that everyone's favourite crimefighters can beat the team who take out cosmics? They couldn't when you last tried, they still can't.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Let's be perfectly realistic. All of you are going "Yeah Emma will go in, mindwipe. Win." This isn't the British Legion of croned war veterans we're talking about. It's the Fantastic Four. A combination of possibly the smartest man on Earth and one of the smartest men ever, a big strong durable fighter, a woman who has more power and ability than alot of Marvel men and a human star.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How exactly are Marvel's barrel scrapers realistically going to overcome the best TEAM to exist in comic history? Don't go and say "Mindwipe. Then Jean will do this." Because as I said, they're not fighting cripples. They're fighting the F4.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The X-Men Vs The Fantastic Four. Can anybody, without literally scripting the fight in the X-Men's favour, realistically envision a loss for the F4?

-AC

Sue has, in a recent issue, proved she's faster and can take Emma out
sooner! Telekinetic shields won't block a nova-burst from torch.
They have thier limits. None of them are gonna take down
Ben or Reed without psionics, which will be Sue's first priority.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Taking out cosmics with prep and/or gadgets.

Does this disprove my claim? No. Is it the F4's job to get the job done hand to hand or is it their job to get the job done any way they can? It's the latter isn't it? Yes.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Powers included are resistence to psioncs? ❌

That's neither here nor there. The X-Men aren't going to storm in, mindwipe the F4 and win are they? Let's be very honest with our true souls here. It's just not on the cards is it?

Originally posted by Creshosk
The FF who take out their enemies by using Reeds brain to come up of find gadgets to take out the strong enemies. . .

Do they or do they not get the job done? They do. You're altering my point to aid your own. I said they take out cosmics and they do, fact. Why do you feel the need to demean the fact that they can beat Galactus by saying "They used gadgets"? If anything that backs them up. The can come up with a gadget to out smart a near enough omnipotent being. Next time Thanos, Galactus or Annihilus threaten the Earth, I don't suppose Wolverine is gonna turn up and go "Yeah let's fight". Prof X isn't gonna sit there and say "Emma, go mindwipe them all." Because that wouldn't happen unless you are biasedly claiming it's a match winner.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Well, if the fight is to be scripted in their favor that's probably because the fight is in their favor.

It's not though is it? Because people just say "OMG LIEK EMMA AND JEAN COULD WIN THIS! MINDWIPE!"

If you think that Marvel's cash cows are seriously going to beat Marvel's best team like that, I don't know what to do with you.

There's no point debating if you're gonna use no sense. People tend to look at the respective powers and immediately say what they would like to happen, not what would happen. If they met in a fight, it's never ever going to be as easy as anyone here claims it is and realistically, no combination of non-claremont felched X-Men is gonna beat the F4.

-AC

Originally posted by Zahit
Sue has, in a recent issue, proved she's faster and can take Emma out
sooner!

In a word prep.

Originally posted by Zahit
Telekinetic shields won't block a nova-burst from torch.

Originally posted by Zahit
They have thier limits. None of them are gonna take down
Ben or Reed without psionics, which will be Sue's first priority.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Torch can't nova blast if he's been taken out.

Point proven.

Who actually says he's going to be taken out? Oh yes, you. Doesn't mean it would actually happen does it?

All your debates are based on deciding what you think would happen and then treating it as fact. You've more or less made the decision that Torch won't be involved, a pretty ignorant and presumptuous comment to say the least.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Does this disprove my claim? No. Is it the F4's job to get the job done hand to hand or is it their job to get the job done any way they can? It's the latter isn't it? Yes.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's neither here nor there. The X-Men aren't going to storm in, mindwipe the F4 and win are they? Let's be very honest with our true souls here. It's just not on the cards is it?

Do they have a resistence to psionics? ❌

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Do they or do they not get the job done? They do. You're altering my point to aid your own. I said they take out cosmics and they do, fact. Why do you feel the need to demean the fact that they can beat Galactus by saying "They used gadgets"? If anything that backs them up. The can come up with a gadget to out smart a near enough omnipotent being.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's not though is it? Because people just say "OMG LIEK EMMA AND JEAN COULD WIN THIS! MINDWIPE!"

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If you think that Marvel's cash cows are seriously going to beat Marvel's best team like that, I don't know what to do with you.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There's no point debating if you're gonna use no sense.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
People tend to look at the respective powers and immediately say what they would like to happen, not what would happen.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If they met in a fight, it's never ever going to be as easy as anyone here claims it is and realistically, no combination of non-claremont felched X-Men is gonna beat the F4.

Originally posted by Alan Centauri
I'm not "back".

Someone who used to visit these forums aswell just brought to my attention how pathetic it's become.

-AP

Who was it?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Question:

Why are people are still trying to insist that everyone's favourite crimefighters can beat the team who take out cosmics? They couldn't when you last tried, they still can't.

Let's be perfectly realistic. All of you are going "Yeah Emma will go in, mindwipe. Win." This isn't the British Legion of croned war veterans we're talking about. It's the Fantastic Four. A combination of possibly the smartest man on Earth and one of the smartest men ever, a big strong durable fighter, a woman who has more power and ability than alot of Marvel men and a human star.

How exactly are Marvel's barrel scrapers realistically going to overcome the best TEAM to exist in comic history? Don't go and say "Mindwipe. Then Jean will do this." Because as I said, they're not fighting cripples. They're fighting the F4.

Let's not dive head first into bullshit theory to hide the fact that we (aka Wolverine fanboys) don't know what we're (aka you) talking about. Let's take a step back:

The X-Men Vs The Fantastic Four. Can anybody, without literally scripting the fight in the X-Men's favour, realistically envision a loss for the F4?

-AC

Btw...please stop using the "Cap will win because he is THE Captain America...the FF will win because they are THE FF...Wolverine will win because he is THE Wolverine"- type of argument!!!
Just because someone stated them the best or the first or legendary or whatever does not mean they are unstoppable and/or unquestionable when you look at them unbiased.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Point proven.

Who actually says he's going to be taken out? Oh yes, you. Doesn't mean it would actually happen does it?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
All your debates are based on deciding what you think would happen and then treating it as fact.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You've more or less made the decision that Torch won't be involved,

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
a pretty ignorant and presumptuous comment to say the least.

-AC

"HAHA TURCH NEVA BLASSTS! FF WINx0rs!"

Don't you think?

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Who was it?

Originally posted by Zahit
FANTASTIC sig!!!!

Originally posted by Creshosk
It shows that the comment was skewed, taken out of context and thusly invalid to the discussion.

It doesn't, clearly. Because I made a claim and you tried to add specific details to a claim, irrelevant details. Continually saying "But they used gadgets" doesn't demean the fact that they did what I claimed they can do.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Why not?

Do they have a resistence to psionics? ❌

I've seen examples of Reed or Sue having the ability to shield themselves. However, I can't say that they have a definate shielding to it, no. However, if you asked me if they had a way to best Galactus, Annihilus or many other big players, I'd probably say no if I didn't know about it. Point I'm making is, no writer is sanely gonna have it that easy, because Reed isn't that stupid.

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's neither here nor there since they have gadgets to take the cosmics out.

Follow my breadcrumbs, Hanzel. I said they take out cosmics, my claim was true. Fact. There's no need to go into "But they used..." no, but nothing. Because that's irrelevant. The end result is relevant, the end result is that they beat Galactus.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And it is a viable option, despite your satirizing the notion.

It's not though. No writer is actually going to create a fight in which the X-Men meet the F4 and win in seconds, because Reed for one is smarter than any X-Man/Woman and they have enough combined might to take out a bulk of X-Men.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Running out of options, so now we're attacking the characters in a way that is a non-factor to the fight.

Attacking the characters? Stop being such a diva. I'm speaking in fact. X-Men are Marvel's cash cows and F4, all things considered, are Marvel's best team. Stop clutching at straws.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yes, yes you are.

I'm not though am I? That's you making an assumption because my comment applies to you and you don't want to assume that someone unbiased is giving you a complete talking to. That's your deal, not mine. I'm saying the X-Men wouldn't ever win in the manner you are claiming they would, they wouldn't. Not because I don't like it, but because it wouldn't happen.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Your opinion. Based on what you would like to see happen. Based on your preceptions of the characters.

No, that's your assumption.

Originally posted by wannabe
Btw...please stop using the "Cap will win because he is THE Captain America...the FF will win because they are THE FF...Wolverine will win because he is THE Wolverine"- type of argument!!!
Just because someone stated them the best or the first or legendary or whatever does not mean they are unstoppable and/or unquestionable when you look at them unbiased.

I agree. So maybe you'd wanna show me where I factually did this.

-AC

Originally posted by Creshosk
Who says he's not? Oh yes, you. Doesn't mean that it would not actually happen does it?

Find where I said he wouldn't. Because I'm pretty sure I didn't say that.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Likewise.

Not really, not at all. I'd appreciate it if you actually stopped making directly opposite assumptions.

Originally posted by Creshosk
If he's taken out before he gets to Nova temperatures he's no longer a factor.

Let's spot the keyword here. Keyword: "If". If, meaning he might not.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No more or less than
"HAHA TURCH NEVA BLASSTS! FF WINx0rs!"

Don't you think?

Yeah. Who said that? Not me.

-AC

Thats true, X-MEn are the most popular and thats why they're so inflated on here. However, although the FF doesnt have as much sales, they are depepicted as Marvel's most celebrated and unbeatable team.

Hence why when the shit is on, X-Men aren't anywhere to be seen as much as the F4 are.

When they've got "We beat - and have the respect of - Galactus" on their resume, I'll give them more credit.

I'm inclined not to do so considering that theirs is already tainted by having "We got spanked by Spider-Man" on it.

-AC

Originally posted by Creshosk
I agree, that's a great sig.

Thanks gents.