Yes I did read it. What's your point? That a spokesperson for the group claims that there was no order to disperse and that it was a non violent protest? Yeah, I'm sure the appointed spokesperson for the group is really credible and unbiased in his views.
There are also claims that people were breaking cameras and refusing to obey officers, and even shoving officers. Eye witness accounts are all over the place here, they're no more valid that that bullshit video.
Originally posted by BackFire
****ing shit, if this teaches us one thing it's that dumbshit protestors need to keep their slimy hippy asses off of streets and blocking traffic. I have no sympathy for the idiots who do that sort of thing, a bus could plow through them for all I care, serves them right.Plus, that video is heavily flawed and one sided (made obvious by the fact that it's being hosted from Michealmoore.com). It doesn't show the whole incident, just more propoghanda for hardcore liberals to eat up while spouting falacious arguments relating genocide to the Iraqi War and dimwitted puns on the term "land of the free". It isn't valid evidence for anything.
I'll hold of judgement untill someone releases a full unedited video showing the whole incident, not just what happened once the woman was on the ground.
****ing protestors.
Originally posted by BackFire
Yes I did read it. What's your point? That a spokesperson for the group claims that there was no order to disperse and that it was a non violent protest? Yeah, I'm sure the appointed spokesperson for the group is really credible and unbiased in his views.There are also claims that people were breaking cameras and refusing to obey officers, and even shoving officers. Eye witness accounts are all over the place here, they're no more valid that that bullshit video.
then i guess since most of all reported events are based on eyewittness accounts, then none are credible.............why pay attention to the news then?
Originally posted by PVS
quite the expert sleuth you are fece. how did you ever catch that?
the name was so well hidden within the link. who would have thought that michaelmoore.com would actually be the website of Michael Moore!!! 😱really, do you do private detective work? because if so i must hire you
However, I do side work with Scooby and the gang.
Originally posted by PVS
then i guess since most of all reported events are based on eyewittness accounts, then none are credible.............why pay attention to the news then?
There are valid and invalid eyewitness accounts. A valid eyewitness account would more or less come from a third party who has nothing to gain/lose by telling the truth in the matter. That's not the case in this matter.
Why would anyone in their right mind listen to what the spokesperson for the group claiming brutality said? Obviously he's more likely to be biased and lie then a third party.
Also the fact that the eye witness accounts on this are all over the place kind renders them completely useless. One person says there was a police order to disperse, one person says there wasn't. One person says that the protest was non violent at all, another says it was. Both parties, the cops and the protestors, are going to give different sides of the story because both sides of something to lose, neither are very believable in this case.
I never dismissed eyewitness accounts as a whole, just in this particular case, they're unbelievably useless.
Originally posted by PVS
oh so now we'll play the "STFU and be thankful you dont have to live here" game? well i guess we should all STFU and be thankful we dont live in afghanistan
Play ? thats the second consecutive time you say play to me ;
and you didnt even reply to "general terms, and dont imply a particular degree of brutallity and force" .
So is there a difference in the Brutality or No ?
Wow....nice clip.....
Well, i personally think the clip is very descriptive and not in the least biased. It DOESN'T MATTER that you don't see what happened before. it really really doesn't matter. The supervisor on duty said the worst thing one of the protestants did was shout at the cops and shove them...
So assuming the worst thing happened, the woman we see in the clip previously called them names and shoved them (though i'd sure love to see that woman shove those behemoths). Ok, so we put her on the ground, we do NOT use handcuffs, but we DO taser her........are you ****ing kidding me?
It doesn't MATTER what she did before. If she was restrained (by 3 cops), you use ****in handcuffs. You don't TASER her. That is NOT standard procedure.
Tell me three cops that had her on the ground couldn't put one pair of handcuffs on her....from what i see, they wanted to teach her a lesson.
You might say "but it MIGHT be procedure if they don't have handcuffs". That would be idiotic, but ok, i'll accept that. however:
1st COP THAT'S HOLDING HER DOWN:
2nd COP AFTER HER BEING TASERED, WALKING AWAY:
The third cop was the one tasering her.....and i didn't see any pair of handcuffs on him indeed. He probably used them on the 68 year old woman that refused to walk away and as a consequence was not restrained by ****ING PEOPLE THAT ARE TRAINED TO RESTRAIN, but rather bitten by a police dog. Nice 👆
~wickerman~
Wickerman makes many good points. Like he said, people may have an opinion as to what protesters may "deserve", and others may say, "well we didn't see what she did to "deserve" it, but that's why you folks aren't cops.
Cops are not in the position to evaluate and distribute punishment. It is their duty to arrest and restrain with the least amount of force necessary. As for the amount of force used on that woman (i.e. taser) it was totally unnecessary, she was prone on the ground.
For all of the yee-haa rednecks I suggest you watch an episode of cops and see how quickly 3 cops can take down a 250 pound drunken *******. A pathetically outta shape woman on the ground should be a much easier task.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Wickerman makes many good points. Like he said, people may have an opinion as to what protesters may "deserve", and others may say, "well we didn't see what she did to "deserve" it, but that's why you folks aren't cops.Cops are not in the position to evaluate and distribute punishment. It is their duty to arrest and restrain with the least amount of force necessary. As for the amount of force used on that woman (i.e. taser) it was totally unnecessary, she was prone on the ground.
For all of the yee-haa rednecks I suggest you watch an episode of cops and see how quickly 3 cops can take down a 250 pound drunken *******. A pathetically outta shape woman on the ground should be a much easier task.
Exactly. It's not about politics, or anything. It's about those 3 ****in moron cops that should be thrown out of the Force for using that amount of force when not necessary.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
Exactly. It's not about politics, or anything. It's about those 3 ****in moron cops that should be thrown out of the Force for using that amount of force when not necessary.~wickerman~
i'm sure they were in a better position to judge than you were...
as for the clip itself being from michaelmoore.com...we all know how he likes to edit footage to give certain slants on things...i believe it was bowling for columbine when he made it look like he walked into a bank, opened an account and got given a gun...none of the footage showed any of the security checks done on him or the fact that the guns weren't even held in the bank and that someone had to drive to a secure holding to get it.
Originally posted by jaden101
i'm sure they were in a better position to judge than you were...as for the clip itself being from michaelmoore.com...we all know how he likes to edit footage to give certain slants on things...i believe it was bowling for columbine when he made it look like he walked into a bank, opened an account and got given a gun...none of the footage showed any of the security checks done on him or the fact that the guns weren't even held in the bank and that someone had to drive to a secure holding to get it.
To judge whether to taser an unarmed woman that's lying on the ground and restrained instead of handcuffing her???
It can be from antibushforever.com as far as i'm concerned. It shows a woman on the ground that CAN be restrained, with handcuffs (look up if you don't believe me), but that instead is punished.
I don't know or care what michael moore edited out. The supervising officer on duty said that the worst thing was swearing and shoving policemen......not even hitting them. Now tell me this. You're a cop. You get cursed and shoved by an out-of-shape chick. You get her on the ground. Two more cops (large ones) also help you restrain her. Do you do:
A) Handcuff her
or
B) decide you're the judge, jury and executioner and punish her for shoving you and taser her?
Because if you choose B, you should be thrown out of the Force. For Christ's sake, aren't there psychology tests when people join the Academy so that they avoid this kind of things?
~wickerman~
Originally posted by PVS
people are so desperate to deny it that they will insinuate editing.what...special effects were used? did ILM get involved and edit out the 9mm she was holding?
and people like you will always resort to petty insults when they run out of ammo
whats new?
shoving policemen...
there you go...physical abuse...yet it was non violent...since when is shoving people a form of non violent protest
since when has grabbing cameras from journalists and smashing them to bits been a form of non violent protest
not to mention there were how many demonstrators compared to police?
look at the attached pic from the same demo...loads of excessive force being used here eh? 🙄
or how about this quote from another source covering the demo
the violence started when a protester struck a freelance photographer working for WPGH-TV, the local Fox affiliate. A melee ensured.
or this
Police Sgt. Clint Winkler said he ordered officers to move in on the protestors after one of the marchers grabbed a TV camera and damaged it and protesters then attacked an officer who tried to intervene.
never quite black and white now is it?
Originally posted by jaden101
and people like you will always resort to petty insults when they run out of ammowhats new?
and can you please point out the insult? or are you now just resorting to flatout lies? 😬
and you continue to argue a point which was thwarted. it goes against a cops duty to seek revenge and punish people. but hey, maybe if a failed point is repeated enough, it will become a valid point.