Originally posted by PVS
I would realise that i was worthless as an officer and quit the force
since i was too weak to take down a 120lb lady who was already on the ground.same as the first response, but i would also do my best to convince him to quit the force as well, since we were both too weak to take down a 120lb lady. what good is that?
Thank you; But Police always act in pairs. Its not a case of being a worthelss wuss with a pansy for a side-kick.
Originally posted by GCG
OH COME ON !1 on 1 is anyone's bet !
You claim that 1 Police Officer is trained to subdue single handedly a drunkard ? I have to disagree with you there as the Police operate in a team and they are ALWAYS warned to never tackle situations alone. There is always a 'back-up buddy'
I disagree, because as a few members here know, I received training as a police officer, which I no longer can do because of losing the sight in my right eye, officers ARE trained to be able to physically restrain people who have physical or tactical (i.e. weapon or knife) superiority.
Also, in many U.S. cities the police work in partners, not so in all cities or all countries, police are trained to be able to handle such a situation on their own and are not always dependant on back-up. There is NOT always a 'back-up buddy'
Originally posted by GCG
What would you have done if you were a cop and could not manage to subdue her ?
If, as a police officer, I was unable to restrain a 120-130 pound physically out of shape woman I would resign. A simple wrist lock could have subdued her, or since she was already on the ground, perhaps just applying handcuffs.
Originally posted by GCG
What would you have done if you and another Cop could not manage to subdue her ?
Once again I would resign, because that would mean that I am incapable of doing the job as is my partner. That woman was not physically capable of dominating or dictating the situation. You do realize that officers have been arresting people and resolving situations before the taser gun was invented don't you?
Originally posted by GCG
I have seen situations on COPS (that you watch) and similar genre that took up to 7 Police Officers to subdue a drunken 200 pound, unabiding, procrastinator to follow a police order ! ! !
Actually I don't watch COPS much at all, if you read my post correctly I used it as a 'tongue-in-cheek' example. I am sure 7 officers taking down one offender is not the norm, but if your point is that it may take a few extra cops to arrest someone who is completely out of control, then your argument here is moot because that woman was nowhere near a level of hostility that would require such brute and shocking force.
Originally posted by GCG
Thank you; But Police always act in pairs. Its not a case of being a worthelss wuss with a pansy for a side-kick.
I am sorry to inform you, but though police may ALWAYS act in pairs in the vicinity that you reside in, that is more an exception than a rule. If an officer can waite, or has the opportunity to waite for back-up he will. But that's only if he can waite or has the opportunity to waite, otherwise he is on his own.
As for crowd control, a single officer should be expected to be able to handle himself against, as I have said many time, a protester of the physical strength and condition of the person in the tape. If more than one officer is required, then fine, but a taser gun is wayyyyyy over the top, especially, once again as I have said many times before, since she is ALREADY in a prone position.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
I disagree, because as a few members here know, I received training as a police officer, which I no longer can do because of losing the sight in my right eye, officers ARE trained to be able to physically restrain people who have physical or tactical (i.e. weapon or knife) superiority.Also, in many U.S. cities the police work in partners, not so in all cities or all countries, police are trained to be able to handle such a situation on their own and are not always dependant on back-up. There is NOT always a 'back-up buddy'
A police officer needs back-up not only for his own protection, but also to have a second opnion on the situation and to give a second account to the event/s in question.
Its no surprise that they are trained for 1-on-1 situations, yet in most cases, i am sure you will agree, Police Officers pile-up on scuffles to resolve it Quickly and Effectively.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
If, as a police officer, I was unable to restrain a 120-130 pound physically out of shape woman I would resign. A simple wrist lock could have subdued her, or since she was already on the ground, perhaps just applying handcuffs.
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Originally posted by KharmaDog
Once again I would resign, because that would mean that I am incapable of doing the job as is my partner. That woman was not physically capable of dominating or dictating the situation.
So you would automatically resign without attempting to defend your actions ?
Originally posted by KharmaDog
You do realize that officers have been arresting people and resolving situations before the taser gun was invented don't you?
Yes I do ; you do realize that it took a heartbeat to get that woman to roll over instead of using physical force that could break her arm or wrist ?
As a police officer, you claim to have been, you also do realize that using wrist locks and arm locks may cause inflammations, fractures and breakages to bone and ligament IF the arrested person keeps wriggling around when under the the said restraints ?
These protestors had clearly no intention to disperse and/or to abide to Police Instructions so they will keep resisting arrest until hand-cuffed and led away.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Actually I don't watch COPS much at all, if you read my post correctly I used it as a 'tongue-in-cheek' example.
You said you watch COPS ; dont back track away from it. You watch it, then you watch it. Am i supposed to subscibe to 'tongue-in-cheek' examples ?
Originally posted by KharmaDog
I am sure 7 officers taking down one offender is not the norm, but if your point is that it may take a few extra cops to arrest someone who is completely out of control, then your argument here is moot because that woman was nowhere near a level of hostility that would require such brute and shocking force.
You are mixing the scenarios.
It ultimatly, as previously mentioned, took 7 officers to arrest a man. My argumant is not moot cause i am responding to your post in which you say:
Originally posted by KharmaDog
A police officer is trained to immobilize 200 pound drunken and abbusive men.
You brought the 1-on-1 into this thread 🙄
Lets wait and see that KDKA-TV footage which as per This Source
In separate footage shot by a KDKA-TV news photographer, the woman is seen struggling with as many as five police officers on a sidewalk as a crowd gathers. One officer stumbles to the ground as he and the others try to subdue the woman and at least two male protesters.
One of the male protesters overturns a garbage container as he struggles with officers.
The woman continues to struggle even as she is lying on the ground. After she is subdued by two officers who hold her hands behind her back, a third officer approaches and uses his Taser on the woman. She screams in pain.
Shed light on the incident not confuse , funny.
The commentary of the video claims that De'Anna Caligiuri, 23, of Bloomfield is seen struggling with as many as 5 police officers. Therfore we need more pink slips to be handed out cause apparently some here think its reltively easy to arrest this kind of protestor.
Secondly, dont believe everything written. Read all the articles from all the sources and make your mind up.
I suspect that in that KDKA-TV footage, we could be seeing De'Anna Caligiuri refusing to obey police orders, resisting arrest, a struggle with 5 officers and then in that footage you posted, her still struggling on the ground ; you can see her pulling the officer's shirt while she is 'subdued'.
If you sympathize with De'Anna Caligiuri, why dont you try ask her for the full video at her e-mail on [email protected]
My bet is that she was only managed to be subdued after being tasered, cause apparently, Pittsburgh police are a bunch of wimps !
thats not the point tabby ; knocking the hat off a policeman is enough ground for arrest.
Its the principle.
She behaved like an ass and got treated like one.
There were also reports of a 4 year-old that got pepper-sprayed. Now who in the right frame of mind would take his/her 4 year-old to a protest ? 😖
Originally posted by GCG
thats not the point tabby ; knocking the hat off a policeman is enough ground for arrest.Its the principle.
She behaved like an ass and got treated like one.
There were also reports of a 4 year-old that got pepper-sprayed. Now who in the right frame of mind would take his/her 4 year-old to a protest ? 😖
But seriously now, this discussion is getting out of hand. The problem is that they had the means to permanently restrain her, as per handcuffs. They didn't. They waited for the 3rd cop to walk over and punish her. They BOTH had handcuffs. While holding her down, she could still wiggle around and everything......and even OMG pull on shirts icon5 . If they would've put handcuffs on, it would've been solved. They're supposed to restrain her, and don't tell me a pair of handcuffs and then tossing her in a police car wouldn't mean the 120 lb woman is restrained 😬
~wickerman~
Originally posted by GCG
If you sympathize with De'Anna Caligiuri, why dont you try ask her for the full video at her e-mail on [email protected]
actually, if you have been paying attention to what i've been saying, i dont sympathise with her at all. in fact, i'm pretty sure i called a stupid a$$hole.
but my lack of sympathy toward her does not aleave my scrutiny of the actions of those officers. in fact, as i said, and as logic dictates, its irrelivent.
Originally posted by GCG
My bet is that she was only managed to be subdued after being tasered, cause apparently, Pittsburgh police are a bunch of wimps !
if that was sarcasm: if you cant see the reality that when your hands are pinned behind your back, you cant do shit anymore, then i guess there's no further debate on this. perhaps she was a contortionist? 😖
if that was a genuine statement: then there are a couple of officers who should be promply fired. maybe they would be better fit for mall security.
Originally posted by PVS
actually, if you have been paying attention to what i've been saying, i dont sympathise with her at all. in fact, i'm pretty sure i called a stupid a$$hole.
but my lack of sympathy toward her does not aleave my scrutiny of the actions of those officers. in fact, as i said, and as logic dictates, its irrelivent.
I agree 100%
Originally posted by PVS
if that was sarcasm: if you cant see the reality that when your hands are pinned behind your back, you cant do shit anymore, then i guess there's no further debate on this. perhaps she was a contortionist? 😖if that was a genuine statement: then there are a couple of officers who should be promply fired. maybe they would be better fit for mall security.
Once again, I agree 100%.
Its easy to comment on the aftermath as we lounge in front of our PCs.
Had it been easy to arrest that woman, a taser would not have been used.
In all that hustle, with a lot of actions and reactions going on all at once before a scenario of protestors dressed in black with face covered marred by violence, and with the General Public in direct threat of harm's way, the police deemed it a situation fit for telescopic batons and tasers.
With such an event presented before their eyes, a detailed assesment cannot be made at the expense of the General Public ; time was foresaken. The job had to be done.
While I cannot convince you my POV and respecting your opinions, I must say that this was an interisting topic. ✅