More Police Brutallity With Taser

Originally posted by PVS
*sigh* the cop clearly ordered the kid to stand up or he would get tased. that renders the 'why's' irrelevant. 2 times you can clearly see that the kid was assaulting nobody and got hit simply for not getting up.

anyway it doesnt matter. he was on the ground and if the cops deemed him a threat they would(should) have proceeded to cuff him. now, if he had resisted and THEN got tased that would be another issue entirely (although imho too excessive none the less)

its spelled out clearly in what the cop said. you can choose to ignore it if you wish, or dwell on the irelevant, but the fact stands: cops threatened to use the taser is the kid didnt obey an order to stand up (very odd and inappropriate in an apprehension), the kid refused, and they hit him like 6 times

And there seems to be some confusion here. A police officer does not have to believe his life is in danger in order to use a taser. If the kid was getting in the cops face, spitting, yelling, or being absolutely uncooperative to begin with, then they are absolutely and totally justified in using the taser. They simply ARE. But I don't know if he was. And you don't know if he wasn't. You can't tell anything from this video. You can't argue that what they did was justified or not justified, simple as that.

ok fine, lets just assume that ILM made this and its all fiction.
let us assume that in this fictional story, some pissed off hippie with
no id card refused to leave the aclu library. let us then say that upon ordered
to leave he sits on the ground and refuses to get up. rather than cuff him and
take him into custody they order him to stand up or be tased. he refuses and ramains seated and they tase him.

now that you have just been run through this purely fictional story, i ask you:
in a real world scenario, with those events, and knowing there was no exhibited threat to those officers, and knowing the standard procedures of apprehension (we all watched 'cops'😉, were those cops abusing power and was that not hypothetically police brutality.

this isnt a trap, im not trying to trick you into agreeing that the video is 100% accurate. i just want to know your opinion on the matter, assuming that is the matter. then we are addressing the issue.

I agree that is not appropriate.

Originally posted by PVS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3CdNgoC0cE&eurl=

UCLA student punished with taser for endangering the lives of police officers by....not standing up. if this isnt blatant evidence of a nonlethal weapon being used for torture i dont know what is.

a taser is a nonlethal means of disabling a suspect, for the safety of an officer. not "do as i say, when i say it, or you suffer".

:edit: not to mention they already had him on the ground. at that point he should have been cuffed and brought in. there really is no excuse for this shit. nobody was in danger, especially those power tripping scumbags

whats next? "roll over!!!! bark like a dog!!!! I SAID BARK LIKE A DOG!!!!" *ZAP*

I can't get youtube to come up at work. I'm not sure about this particular incident, but I hope this sparks UCLA to beat USC in a couple of weeks and maybe sneak Florida into the National Championship picture. Did the cop go to USC, maybe? Okay, bye now.

Originally posted by Kinneary
And there seems to be some confusion here. A police officer does not have to believe his life is in danger in order to use a taser. If the kid was getting in the cops face, spitting, yelling, or being absolutely uncooperative to begin with, then they are absolutely and totally justified in using the taser. They simply ARE. But I don't know if he was. And you don't know if he wasn't. You can't tell [b]anything from this video. You can't argue that what they did was justified or not justified, simple as that. [/B]

a police officer must only use the taser to keep the situation from threatening him. dont ommit words to imply that they can use it whenever they just dont get their way or when someone gets upity. yelling would not be probably cause AT ALL. resisting arrest would be.

the line "stand up or we're going to tase you again". not "dont spit on me or we're going to tase you", not "stop resisting arrest or we're going to tase you". that is why i believe the events unfolded as a case of police brutality

Originally posted by Kinneary
I agree that is not appropriate.

thank you. i guess if this story developes we'll get most of what happened and can form a real opinion

Originally posted by PVS
a police officer must only use the taser to keep the situation from threatening him. dont ommit words to imply that they can use it whenever they just dont get their way or when someone gets upity. yelling would not be probably cause AT ALL. resisting arrest would be.

the line "stand up or we're going to tase you again". not "dont spit on me or we're going to tase you", not "stop resisting arrest or we're going to tase you". that is why i believe the events unfolded as a case of police brutality

Originally posted by Kinneary
Them saying "Stand up or we're going to tase you" is acceptable.

no, we apparently dont agree at all then, unless that is a typo.

and you are absolutely wrong about when a cop is allowed to use a taser. he is not allowed to use it just because you offend him or annoy him. he must judge based on a potential threat. any cop who payed attention in the academy will agree.

That's right, threat. Not life-threat. Not threatening his life. Someone who could be a potentially violent person.

...anyone can be a potentially violent person.
should a cop have the right to tase you for yelling "i dont deserve this ****ing ticket!"

uh oh, he's angry....might be a threat *zap*

Originally posted by PVS
Don't even play that game

...anyone can be a potentially violent person.
should a cop have the right to tase you for yelling "i dont deserve this ****ing ticket!"

uh oh, he's angry....might be a threat *zap*

my bad, i misread. edited

Originally posted by Kinneary
... Don't be a child about it.

its a valid question. a child might avoid it

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15731040/

LOS ANGELES - A 23-year-old student was administered multiple stun gun shocks by UCLA Police Department officers in the Powell Library computer lab, it was reported Wednesday.

Video shot from another student's camera phone shows the man screaming while on the floor of the computer lab as officers used the stun gun on him at 11:30 p.m. Tuesday, according to the Daily Bruin.

Watch Channel 4 News at 11 a.m. to see video of the incident obtained by NBC4's Robert Kovacik. It will be posted here afterward. He had been working at a computer in the back of the lab and had failed to produce a student ID during a random check performed by community service officers, the newspaper reported.

According to a UCLA police sergeant, the student was identified as Mostafa Tabatabainejad of Los Angeles.

He was given a citation for obstruction/delay of a peace officer in the performance of duty and then released from custody, the sergeant said.

The sergeant said he saw Tabatabainejad after it happened and that he did not appear to have suffered serious injury.

"If he was able to walk out of here, I think he was OK," the sergeant said.

Officers were escorting Tabatabainejad out of the computer lab when the trouble started, according to the Daily Bruin. One of the officers placed a hand on one of his arms, to which the student objected.

As a second officer approached, he repeatedly yelled "get off of me," the newspaper reported.

It was then that one of the officers shot Tabatabainejad with a stun gun, dropping him to the floor as he cried out, according to the newspaper.

"Any student who witnessed it was left with an image you don't want to remember," said a witness who asked not to be identified.

When asked whether the student resisted when officer attempted to escort him from the building, the witness said, "In the beginning, no. But when they were holding onto him and they were on the ground, he was trying to just break free. He was saying, 'I'm leaving, I'm leaving.' It was so disturbing to watch that I cannot be concise on that. I can just say that he was willing to leave. He had his backpack on his shoulder and he was walking out when the cops approached him. It was unnecessary."

The video shows the student shouting, "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your f---ing abuse of power," the newspaper reported.

Officers told Tabatabainejad to stand up and stop struggling, which he allegedly refused to do. He was then struck with the stun gun at least once more and taken into custody, the newspaper reported.

The video shows the student shouting, "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your f---ing abuse of power," the newspaper reported.

If your conscious has the capability of not only remembering a law while you're being beaten and dragged, but sounding like you're trying to win best supporting actor in a freakin' motion picture at the same time, maybe you need to get a hobby.

...anyone can be a potentially violent person.
should a cop have the right to tase you for yelling "i dont deserve this ****ing ticket!"

Originally posted by Kinneary
If he does it while jerking away and at the top of his lungs, and then loudly and obnoxiously disobeys police commands, yes.

jerking away? from what? some guy is in his car, served a summons. guy yells at the cop while posing no physical threat. does he deserve to get tased?

dont mix up the issues. simply "loudly and obnoxiously" while not under arrest does not warrant the use of a non-lethal. dont load the question

Okay. For the literal, simplified question you put up? No, I don't.

But what the hell does that have to do with the topic?

Originally posted by PVS
jerking away?

Dude, that is sick! I would taser any dude who bopped his bologna in front of me. No questions asked.

Originally posted by Kinneary
Okay. For the literal, simplified question you put up? No, I don't.

But what the hell does that have to do with the topic?

just picking your brain, thats all. im interested in where you feel the line is drawn. thanks for answering