Wonder Woman vs Fantastic Four

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OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Draco69
Yes, that's true. However, following Infinite Crisis, the public apparently forgot all about it and Diana was publicly exonerated for her crimes and the truth of what happened (i.e. Max Lord is an evil douchebag) was revealed.

It's not her first public killing anyway. She killed Medousa on live television before that.

The general public knows that Diana is willing to kill like fellow hero Hawkman.

I agree with this. Also, I don't think Diana has completely shaken off the sullying of her own reputation when the Amazons invaded Washington DC. Whether or not she shouldn't be blamed for their actions, it's still the general impression/stereotype I'm sure they apply to her.

I don't know how common Hawkman's willingness to kill is. He obviously can't shut up about it when he's being restrained by his fellow teammates in the Justice League and Justice Society, but to other people?

Draco69 Snarky Slytherin

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

So how is it... that when we first throw two characters from different universes into a fight who have never met each other, how do we give these characters knowledge that randomly encountered foes in their own universe would have no knowledge of, e.g. Thor, Juggernaut? By your interpretation of the rules, when Superman fights Juggernaut for the first time, Superman knows Juggernaut has an impenetrable magic forcefield because it's effects have been witnessed in public (though not necessarily understood). How does that scenario make sense when Thor himself had to learn the hard way the first time he and Juggs fought?

Superman would have a general idea that Juggernaut is really strong, really invulnerable and apt causing public destruction.

He wouldn't know the full extent of his powers, i.e. his mystical connection to a higher power or the true extent of his durability.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Moving back to Invisible Woman, yes she's used her forcefields in public, much the same way that foes have failed to lift Mjolnir in public. Both instances occur often around a multitude of onlookers. But how many times do we see throughout their respective histories that first-time encountered foes consider Invisible Woman is the least powerful or how many times do we see Thor's foes keep trying to pick up his hammer?

Enemies try to pick up Thor's hammer even with the knowledge that it can only be picked up by someone 'worthy' because they either don't believe it or they're misinformed about the hammer's abilities.

If you saw Thor's hammer lying around, wouldn't you try to lift it?

It's similar to Diana's lasso. Many people may know about it but they don't necessarily believe in it. "Truth" and "worthy" are so subjective.

And I think foes underestimate Sue time and again due to sexism and the less 'pizzaz' of her usual role in the Fantastic Four. She's doesn't stand out like the Human Torch or the Thing who are continually the front line attackers. Sue is almost always first and foremost defense.

Draco69 Snarky Slytherin

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I agree with this. Also, I don't think Diana has completely shaken off the sullying of her own reputation when the Amazons invaded Washington DC. Whether or not she shouldn't be blamed for their actions, it's still the general impression/stereotype I'm sure they apply to her.

I don't know how common Hawkman's willingness to kill is. He obviously can't shut up about it when he's being restrained by his fellow teammates in the Justice League and Justice Society, but to other people?

Oh, yes I forgotten that horrible event. I try to block it from my memory.

Yes, they probably do see her a barbarian due to that horrible crossover. Ugh.

Nah, Hawkman's bloodthirstyness is always prominent among the JSA. Particularly in St. Roch, his homebase. In his own comic, he's been shown to behead, dismember and severely maim his foes in full view of the public.

Badabing Gym rat

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Actually... since Brother Eye broadcast Wonderwoman's murder of Maxwell Lord all over the world... wouldn't the general population of DC Earth have the impression that Wonderwoman is, in fact, a murderer? I'm pretty sure everybody after Sacrifice was scared of Diana, including heroes, villains and the general populace alike. I'm not aware that Infinite Crisis or Final Crisis retconned that knowledge away from peoples' memories.

Invisible Woman used a force bubble in Wolverine's lungs in Enemy of the State when Wolverine invaded the Baxter building.

Didn't I state there was a separate thread for this discussion? By your implication that makes any hero who killed in the same ilk as Black Adam, Joker, etc. Lord was using his position and powers to manipulate Superman to carry assaults on Bats and WW. That isn't even close to being a stone cold killer. Yes, WW's rep did suffer but she's still in the JLA and portrayed a hero. And by your definition cops, Cap, Superman, are all killers since they've have killed. WW wouldn't kill anyone of the FF unless there were circumstances. Sue wouldn't kill with a force bubble, let alone another hero. So nether side kills heroes. Any more comments about perceived personalities, characterizations, etc can be made in the thread that's open for this discussion.

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

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james2099 Restricted

Originally posted by Lord Feron
wow totall messed that up...

this is teh glads pic

and the BB and Namor

WW is nowhere near Gladiator in strength, if sue gets her in that bubble, its over for WW. Sue would have plenty of time to kill her. ( this is KMC, kill is on ) Torch put down ultron with a full power nove blast, WW would be dead from a blast like that, there is a big difference from being outside the sun and inside it. Gladiator had to try and stretch reed. IF he gets around WW, she cannot stretch her body that far to get away, more time for sue, people act as if the others will stand around and watch. The FF is one of the best fighting group around.

iceman24567 Senior Member

So her helping to move a friggen planet doesn't put her on Glads level 🤨 😆

Mindset Senior Member

No

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Mindset
No
Glads imo is stronger than WW.

james2099 Restricted

Originally posted by iceman24567
So her helping to move a friggen planet doesn't put her on Glads level 🤨 😆
If it took superman, MM and WW to move a planet and Gladiator can do it alone, plus rip a star in half on strenght alone, a star like the sun that can hold how many planets??? then he is far stronger than her and those other two as well.

iceman24567 Senior Member

Originally posted by Mindset
No
I seriously consider you a fanboy if you really think this but you would say no even if you really meant yes 😱

iceman24567 Senior Member

Originally posted by james2099
If it took superman, MM and WW to move a planet and Gladiator can do it alone, plus rip a star in half on strenght alone, a star like the sun that can hold how many planets??? then he is far stronger than her and those other two as well.
Gladz has moved a planet on his own? ripping a star apart takes how much strength? How do you measure such a feat O' Wise one? 😆

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by iceman24567
Gladz has moved a planet on his own? ripping a star apart takes how much strength? How do you measure such a feat O' Wise one? 😆
Glads has the power to destroy one which is much harder than moving one with the help of two other characters.

james2099 Restricted

Originally posted by iceman24567
Gladz has moved a planet on his own? ripping a star apart takes how much strength? How do you measure such a feat O' Wise one? 😆
By what is in the book in plain writing, unlike when people see someone move their arms fast and assume they are moving 100000 times the speed of light 🙄 . Not saying you do that, but it is known that gladiator can do those feats i mentioned. You will never see me assume his strength or speed, i can show that easy enough, but certain people see WW flying fast or being knocked from the sun and then GUESS at what speed she is travling. WITH NO PROOF BUT WORD OF MOUTH.(Not you)

-K-M- ...........

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
dur

I'd love to see a scan of Luke Cage busting through Invisible Woman's shields.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/FantasticFour169-11.jpg

iceman24567 Senior Member

Do you know how much earth weighs? Even flying thats a huge strength feat.

iceman24567 Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
Glads has the power to destroy one which is much harder than moving one with the help of two other characters.
Ok so destroying planet > moving a planet? Based on what?

james2099 Restricted

Originally posted by iceman24567
Ok so destroying planet > moving a planet? Based on what?
Based on the fact that spiderman can move 1 ton of steel, but lets see him rip it apart. takes far more strength.

iceman24567 Senior Member

Originally posted by james2099
Based on the fact that spiderman can move 1 ton of steel, but lets see him rip it apart. takes far more strength.
That's your answer? So moving a planet < destroying a planet based on this? 🙄

james2099 Restricted

Originally posted by iceman24567
That's your answer? So moving a planet < destroying a planet based on this? 🙄
Its three people moving a planet vs one guy tearing a star apart that could hold many of those planets. Gladiator can move that planet by himself. WW cannot.