-Dooku
-Obi-Wan
-Yoda
-Mace
-Revan
-Exar Kun
Well...from the given circumstance I'd say Obi-Wan will be the one that loses here. Because:
a)
All the Sith would simply cut through everything that is in their way while the Jedi might tend to spare the lifes of the humans running around there. At least Obi-Wan will do that. Now that makes it tougher for him to get out of this alive because he needs more time to use a mind-trick or sneak past the enemy lines than one of the Sith will need to cut through some citizens and droids.
b)
He is the weakest person here when it comes to force powers.
c)
He is the weakest person when it comes to a duel.
d)
He is the best when it comes to defense against blasters.
While point d might be enough to compensate the disadvantages from point a - so that Obi might arive at the escape vessels the same time the other get there - he will (see points b and c) get creamed there in a duel at least. So I'd say they all make it out of the city but than the weakest duellist has to stay (Obi-Wan in this case).
Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Well...from the given circumstance I'd say Obi-Wan will be the one that loses here. Because:a)
All the Sith would simply cut through everything that is in their way while the Jedi might tend to spare the lifes of the humans running around there. At least Obi-Wan will do that. Now that makes it tougher for him to get out of this alive because he needs more time to use a mind-trick or sneak past the enemy lines than one of the Sith will need to cut through some citizens and droids.b)
He is the weakest person here when it comes to force powers.c)
He is the weakest person when it comes to a duel.d)
He is the best when it comes to defense against blasters.While point d might be enough to compensate the disadvantages from point a - so that Obi might arive at the escape vessels the same time the other get there - he will (see points b and c) get creamed there in a duel at least. So I'd say they all make it out of the city but than the weakest duellist has to stay (Obi-Wan in this case).
I'm going with Dooku on this one. Or, more aptly, against him.
a) Everyone will either cut, sneak, or somehow manipulate their way through. However, I think that it is places like this that Obi-Wan truly excels. large groups with hundreds firing blasters like there's no tomorrow? Crowds of people all swarming like bugs to carcasses? Dooku's Makashi skill is going to be tested here, requiring him to use tons of wide, crazy swings to "cut through everything", use his all in Force power to throw obsatcles aside, and deflect a thousand blaster bolts. I don't think he's going to be very comfortable here.
b) Not going to matter all too much considering his amazing blaster-deflection skills put him in a very good position.
c) Same as above. And a duel is unlikely considering the circumstances.
d) True.
I highly doubt that anyone's going to bother attempting a duel with Kenobi. they probably consider him the lesser threat, which in some ways, he is. one of the Sith would probably try to dislodge him with a bolt of lighting, however. But that'd be just somewhat difficult considering there're thousands of organics, droids, etc. in the way. And Obi-Wan has been in such objective-based missions before. I think he can pull this off.
And he'll be willing to do what's necessary, even if it means killing a human. he's done it, as has Mace, and Yoda.
Yoda, Mace, Revan, Exar Kun they all make it, they are extremely powerful fast and better then most others.
Now everybody here debates between Dooku and Obi Wan, and I have to agree. Obi Wan being an obvious choice because he is weak compared to the others here. But he is great at deflecting blaster bolts, especially when he's drunk. So he could get through, but could Dooku while using the force move fast enough to reach it before Obi Wan does.
Dooku would manage if he could sneak around and take out as few enemy's as possible and if he would do it fast. Obi Wan could move more directly, like the other Sith and he would probably get to the exit and out of trouble faster then Dooku would. Dooku his only chance would be to stop Obi Wan somehow, but I don't think he's going to pull that off in an area like that.
So i'm saying Dooku is out, and Obi Wan manages to stay in. Sucks for Dooku as he is clearly better, but the environment makes up for a lot.
Originally posted by Fishy
Yoda, Mace, Revan, Exar Kun they all make it, they are extremely powerful fast and better then most others.Now everybody here debates between Dooku and Obi Wan, and I have to agree. Obi Wan being an obvious choice because he is weak compared to the others here. But he is great at deflecting blaster bolts, especially when he's drunk. So he could get through, but could Dooku while using the force move fast enough to reach it before Obi Wan does.
Dooku would manage if he could sneak around and take out as few enemy's as possible and if he would do it fast. Obi Wan could move more directly, like the other Sith and he would probably get to the exit and out of trouble faster then Dooku would. Dooku his only chance would be to stop Obi Wan somehow, but I don't think he's going to pull that off in an area like that.
So i'm saying Dooku is out, and Obi Wan manages to stay in. Sucks for Dooku as he is clearly better, but the environment makes up for a lot.
I disagree with you. Dooku would be able to get out since he would be the more willing to take a life, and was very adapt in using force attacks. Obi Wan would be very reluctant to kill someone who was just in his way, and would have a hard time getting around everything.
Dooku has the better chance of living because of his ability to use the froce as a potent weapon, while Obi would not have that same ability. It comes dow nto who would use the most tricks at hand ,and Dooku has the advantage when it comes to that. Dooku will get there before Obi and Obi's done.
How so? Dooku his force push would be more powerful but Obi will have less trouble reflecting attacks? Obi is hesitant to take the lives of innocent peole, but he has never shown any doubt in killing somebody when it was needed. I mean for christ sake he took Anakin his life, for as far as he knew. That was harder then killing anybody else. He won't hold back, he will still push people out of the way. And Dooku his superior connection to the force will be nice at first, but it won't get him through the heavier area's, area's that Obi Wan would pass far easier.
Originally posted by Fishy
How so? Dooku his force push would be more powerful but Obi will have less trouble reflecting attacks? Obi is hesitant to take the lives of innocent peole, but he has never shown any doubt in killing somebody when it was needed. I mean for christ sake he took Anakin his life, for as far as he knew. That was harder then killing anybody else. He won't hold back, he will still push people out of the way. And Dooku his superior connection to the force will be nice at first, but it won't get him through the heavier area's, area's that Obi Wan would pass far easier.
As you said, he qwould be hesitant, but your overrating his ability to take lives. He is not that kind of person, and will bogged down in places where Dooku would excel in. Now, for the heavy areas, Dooku will have trouble, but he will still make it before Obi. Obi can block blaster bolts and all, but he will get slowed down by it, since his style is not agressive he would get bogged down by sustained fire. Dooku would not be hesitant to send out some force lightning o get rid of someone shooting at him. He would not hesitate to throw things at others or to kill innocents. Obi would have difficulty with these situations since he was taught to not take lives adn try to find a peaceful situation, while Dooku dropped that philosphy and will kill with no remorse or hesitation.
Obi-Wan has this. He survived Geonosis, which was one of the toughest battles a Jedi could face. Imagine being surrounded by thousands of Droids and deflecting so many blasters at once, he is more than ready for some small arms fire. If they were fighting lightsaber or sword-wielding enemies, then Dooku would clearly win, but due to the type of enemy they're fighting, Obi-Wan has this. Not even due to form, but due to experience in this type of situation.
Also remember that Obi-Wan has experience running through desert like conditions, so I think he is better conditioned, at least physically, for this kind of situation.
And the one thing I see you guys overlooking is that while Obi-Wan may be "hesitant" to take lives, all he will have to worry about is crossfire. The situation is a CIVIL war, these people are fighting others, not the Force users. The second someone like Dooku, Revan, or Exar takes a life, they will be viewed as an imminent threat and fired upon. Someone like Yoda or Obi-Wan, who simply deflects away blasters, will be able to pass far more easily.
Again, I'll have to take Dooku as the low man on this one.
I must still vote against Obi-Wan here.
I know that Dooku is not as good in blaster defence. But does this really matter ? Look how he puts Anakin out of battle in AotC what might be easier against non force users. Look how he threw Obi-Wan around in the ROTS fight. I'm pretty sure he can get out of that arena without having to worry much about blasterfire because he can pretty much obliterate everyone in his way and he will do that.
Now Obi-Wan won't kill not even hurt anybody - only if there is really no other way. That's quite obvious if you have a look at ANH - the easy way is not his way and because of this I think he will need longer to get out the area than Dooku will need.
I look on the situation this way: Nothing there will stop a force user so it only matters who can get rid of the droids / people faster. Since a Sith won't care much about what will happen to the people they all will manage to escape pretty fast while Mace and Yoda are simply too strong to lose much time. So Obi-Wan and Dooku might be the slowest people here but I think Dooku will make it faster than Obi-Wan because he won't care about what happens to the people why Obi-Wan will.
Originally posted by Fishy
You think Dooku would shock his way through hundreds of people his lightning isn't that powerful, besides if the fight is really that bad leaving your defense open for a second might prove fatal. Especially with Dooku who isn't the greatest one in defending anyways.
Dooku's Lightning is nearly close to being on par with Sidious'. We have already confirmed this.
And for those of you who think Dooku cannot deflect blaster bolts ARE ON F*CKING CRACK!
Just because Dooku has mastered a Form that expresses Lightsaber-to-Lightsaber combat doesn't mean he can't deflect blaster bolts. Hell, for all we know, he can use Soresu. And he sure as hell wasn't using Form II on episode III.
Dooku can deflect blaster bolts. That's just all there is to it.
I think you are wrong there, Obi indeed didn't hurt anybody in ANH, but before that he seemed to have had less trouble with it. I mean he slaughtered his way through a lot of clones i'm sure he could have gone around that as well if he tried. Well actually i'm not sure, but I think he could... The idea I get from him however is that he cared less about it back then, then he did in ANH.
And yeah Dooku could take care of a lot of people easier then Obi Wan, but eventually he might get tired or his attacks wouldn't effect enough people. Besides if this is a street war its going to be hard to kill people with the force because you ussually don't know where they are coming from until its to late. The thing is, I think he's a great fighter just not as good in mass battles as somebody like Obi Wan. Even if he is highly superior in one on one combat.
So if Dooku could reach Obi Wan then he would pass, but I don't think he will, so i'm guessing Dooku is out.
Well we'll just see when everybody has voted and we go to round two
Originally posted by Fishy
[B]I think you are wrong there, Obi indeed didn't hurt anybody in ANH, but before that he seemed to have had less trouble with it. I mean he slaughtered his way through a lot of clones i'm sure he could have gone around that as well if he tried. Well actually i'm not sure, but I think he could... The idea I get from him however is that he cared less about it back then, then he did in ANH.
- clones are no "normal" human beings
- the only clones he killed where those guarding the Jedi Temple (together with Yoda) and that was absolutely necessary
Actually we never saw Obi-Wan kill humans anywhere. He cut some limbs off (headhuntress arm in AotC + Anakins legs in ROTS + arm of that guy in ANH) but he never killed anyone.
And yeah Dooku could take care of a lot of people easier then Obi Wan, but eventually he might get tired or his attacks wouldn't effect enough people. Besides if this is a street war its going to be hard to kill people with the force because you ussually don't know where they are coming from until its to late. The thing is, I think he's a great fighter just not as good in mass battles as somebody like Obi Wan. Even if he is highly superior in one on one combat.
He can just destroy entire houses or throw people around / toast them by using the force and this can be done nearly without any effort by Dooku. As I said... I believe he can get out of it without having to worry much about blasterfire.
In the worst case (for Dooku) he and Obi-Wan will come out of this thing at the same moment and than it's a duel between them who will escape and there is no way that Obi can take that...
Originally posted by Fishy
I think you are wrong there, Obi indeed didn't hurt anybody in ANH, but before that he seemed to have had less trouble with it. I mean he slaughtered his way through a lot of clones i'm sure he could have gone around that as well if he tried. Well actually i'm not sure, but I think he could... The idea I get from him however is that he cared less about it back then, then he did in ANH.And yeah Dooku could take care of a lot of people easier then Obi Wan, but eventually he might get tired or his attacks wouldn't effect enough people. Besides if this is a street war its going to be hard to kill people with the force because you ussually don't know where they are coming from until its to late. The thing is, I think he's a great fighter just not as good in mass battles as somebody like Obi Wan. Even if he is highly superior in one on one combat.
So if Dooku could reach Obi Wan then he would pass, but I don't think he will, so i'm guessing Dooku is out.
Well we'll just see when everybody has voted and we go to round two
How do you know Dooku isn't as good as Obi Wan in the masses? That is a very poor assumption.
We saw Dooku take on two fellows with Lightsabers twice, and like i said, for all we know, he has mastered all the forms, because he used a different Form in ROTS.
Originally posted by Sorgo
How do you know Dooku isn't as good as Obi Wan in the masses? That is a very poor assumption.We saw Dooku take on two fellows with Lightsabers twice, and like i said, for all we know, he has mastered all the forms, because he used a different Form in ROTS.
The different form that got him killed. While it may be an assumption to say that he isn't good with the masses, it would be an even bigger assumption to say he is, as we've never seen it.
Originally posted by IllustriousYou mean the different form that almost killed Anakin several times during their Final duel? Oh, okay then.
The different form that got him killed. While it may be an assumption to say that he isn't good with the masses, it would be an even bigger assumption to say he is, as we've never seen it.
No, it would not be a bigger assumption. It would be the same, being as we haven't seen him in the masses. Saying that he is poor or better are both the same level. Don't say mine is bigger to back up the other Assumption. Not very good.
Originally posted by Fishy
Not to mention that the only form he has mastered doesn't really excel on taking on groups... Its a form for lightsaber duels, There wouldn't be any lightsaber duels there.
Right. Unfortunately, with over eighty years of Experience of a Jedi, it's safe to assume he knows more than one form, especially considering he used a different Form against Anakin and Obi in ROTS.