The Phoenix Force: Where does it say in any comic Phoenix is part of God?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No if you actually read the comic and please for the last time acknowledge my scans (which come after the ones youre caught up on) you'd see that the rabbits thoughts triggered the Big Bang. The power didnt derive from him. It caused it. Just like dropping a match on to a trail of fuel leading to a petrol station. Or more simply lighting a dynamite stick. Life was triggered by Eternitys questions. The power never came from him im afraid.

GS this is your latest Supporters pedigree

enjoy Lord Kaos his a hoot 🙂

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=374935&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=2

your scans show nothing as usual - Kg posted them as well 🙂

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
GS this is your latest Supporters pedigree

enjoy Lord Kaos his a hoot 🙂

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=374935&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=2

your scans show nothing as usual - Kg posted them as well 🙂

Forget the LK thing back to Phoenix. 😄

I just had a look through that entire thread. KG has posted one of my scans. However there were two others that youre failing to acknowledge. The ones which state that all life and humanity are as much a part of the universe as the stars and that life in the void was triggered by ETERNITY questioning his own existence.

With that in mind when you look at the other scans which came before that one you know that these extensions of Eternity questioned existence and as such triggered the Big Bang in the same way he did prior to their interference. Why? Because they like all life in the universe are him.

That put an end to your all powerful cosmic bunny dreams.

As does the quote i just posted highlighting how he triggered the Big Bang and that the power didnt derive from him.

As does this:

and this:

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
GS this is your latest Supporters pedigree

enjoy Lord Kaos his a hoot 🙂

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=374935&perpage=20&highlight=&pagenumber=2

your scans show nothing as usual - Kg posted them as well 🙂

"See how pathetic my opposition is? yuk yuk yuk."

😄

Boy, did I miss a lot whilst I slept (and also during the years I stopped reading comics).

So, if I did all my catch-up reading correctly: basically, the Marvel Minds of Creation did do some column-A and column-B picking (eg, chakras with Kabbalah??). This not only produced an in-house mystical system sorely lacking but also screwed up Marvel continuity (hence all the retconning); and all this because of one-upmanship within Marvel (though perhaps also with DC in mind), to make stories "bigger" but not necessarily "better."

I still say: Beware the Fallen One ("Rabbit," indeed...c'mon)

What/whoever started the 616 universe: did that Agent also start the Marvel multiverse? And since a) Marvel is aware of the DC universe (multiverse?), and b) DC has its own manner of Big Bang ignition; is there yet some unspoken conflict between the two means of universal/multiversal creation? Put another way: let's say Eternity began one multiverse, and DC's Whoever started that multiverse...any acknowledgment of who began the Omniverse? How would the Phoenix Force fit into this picture? Or am I jumping way ahead of the game plan, going where Marvel and DC angels fear to tread?

As a final thought: Marvel might've done better to forgo any mystical approach and go with quantum mechanics, especially quantum cosmology. This woulda had the advantage of coming from a scientific system to explain creation and parallel universes and whatnot, with less room for fudging. But then, maybe that's why they didn't.

Originally posted by Mindship
Boy, did I miss a lot whilst I slept (and also during the years I stopped reading comics).

So, if I did all my catch-up reading correctly: basically, the Marvel Minds of Creation did do some column-A and column-B picking (eg, chakras with Kabbalah??). This not only produced an in-house mystical system sorely lacking but also screwed up Marvel continuity (hence all the retconning); and all this because of one-upmanship within Marvel (though perhaps also with DC in mind), to make stories "bigger" but not necessarily "better."

I still say: Beware the Fallen One ("Rabbit," indeed...c'mon)

What/whoever started the 616 universe: did that Agent also start the Marvel multiverse? And since a) Marvel is aware of the DC universe (multiverse?), and b) DC has its own manner of Big Bang ignition; is there yet some unspoken conflict between the two means of universal/multiversal creation? Put another way: let's say Eternity began one multiverse, and DC's Whoever started that multiverse...any acknowledgment of who began the Omniverse? How would the Phoenix Force fit into this picture? Or am I jumping way ahead of the game l am, going where Marvel and DC angels fear to tread?

Agreed Mindship it has nothing really to do with the Kabbalah it is a pick and mix religion and indeed probbably due to one upmanship in the comics World as a whole.

At last someone gets my point - I kind of thought it might be you 🙂

Beware the "Rabbit"

Yahweh created creation.
Spectre created the DCU, in Crisis on Infinite Earths. The battle between him and the Anti-Monitor, CREATED the matter and anti-matter universes.

Originally posted by Juntai
Yahweh created creation.
Spectre created the DCU, in Crisis on Infinite Earths. The battle between him and the Anti-Monitor, CREATED the matter and anti-matter universes.

True enough so why GS now thinks the Phoenix created the DCU is even funnier than her other rubbish 🙂 with his Phoenix coming from the source stuff. 🙂

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
True enough so why GS now thinks the Phoenix created the DCU is even funnier than her other rubbish 🙂 with his Phoenix coming from the source stuff. 🙂

Originally posted by Juntai
He sees Pheonix as the "spark" from which the universe is born, which isn't neccisarily the "creator" of the universe. I don't know if you understand that by now... But, I don't know why he would think an X Men created the DCU.

I know its just plain wrong and thats part of what he means for Marvel - I might not have a problem with that except..........
It doesn't really fit........
Its the White Crown Morrison rubish I have a problem with 🙂 Although having read "Endsong" recently its not a bad story. The symbolism is laughable though. 🙂

They shoulda kept God out of comics. In the good ol' days, it was enough that you had Galactus, Odin, Watcher and Eternity. As someone said in another thread, the Marvel (and DC) universe -- in the quest to inspire awe -- have become small, familiar; in a word, comprehensible. So much for awe...there went the neighborhood.

Originally posted by Mindship
They shoulda kept God out of comics. In the good ol' days, it was enough that you had Galactus, Odin, Watcher and Eternity. As someone said in another thread, the Marvel (and DC) universe -- in the quest to inspire awe -- have become small, familiar; in a word, comprehensible. So much for awe...there went the neighborhood.

I agree totally, thats another part of my argument unless, God is being used for a completely different reason like in The Preacher or Sandman it simply doesn't work.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
True enough so why GS now thinks the Phoenix created the DCU is even funnier than her other rubbish 🙂 with his Phoenix coming from the source stuff. 🙂

Dont lie ive never said that you b*tch 😉

Originally posted by Juntai
He sees Pheonix as the "spark" from which the universe is born, which isn't neccisarily the "creator" of the universe. I don't know if you understand that by now... But, I don't know why he would think an X Men created the DCU.

Unless you've seen me say it with your own eyes do not acknowledge anything Whirly says i have said.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
I know its just plain wrong and thats part of what he means for Marvel - I might not have a problem with that except..........
It doesn't really fit........
Its the White Crown Morrison rubish I have a problem with 🙂 Although having read "Endsong" recently its not a bad story. The symbolism is laughable though. 🙂

Botch job does not equal a non existent connection.

Why is it laughable, because it doesnt follow the principles down to a "t"? 😕

Wouldnt that be ridiculous?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Botch job does not equal a non existent connection.

Why is it laughable, because it doesnt follow the principles down to a "t"? 😕

Wouldnt that be ridiculous?

It mixes principles 🙂

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
It mixes principles 🙂

Doesnt matter. A connection is still established as even your religion major friend noted. The execution of it just wasnt perfect. Oh well. 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Doesnt matter. A connection is still established as even your religion major friend noted. The execution of it just wasnt perfect. Oh well. 😉

and now its been retconned no more Phoenix in 616 🙂

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
and now its been retconned no more Phoenix in 616 🙂

No retcon as ive made quite clear. Phoenix is in the white hot room which is the heart of the phoenix as stated just a few months back during house of M. The Crown still exists in Marvel so Phoenix is just fine. 😄 We just wont be seeing her in 616 for a looong time. 🙁

So while a retcon is expected it hasnt happened yet and if/when it does i can still debate with the White Crown Phoenix in mind so its all good. No biggie. 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No retcon as ive made quite clear. Phoenix is in the white hot room which is the heart of the phoenix as stated just a few months back during house of M. The Crown still exists in Marvel so Phoenix is just fine. 😄 We just wont be seeing her in 616 for a looong time. 🙁

So while a retcon is expected it hasnt happened yet and if/when it does i can still debate with the White Crown Phoenix in mind so its all good. No biggie. 😉

Here is the retcon

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Here is the retcon

Nope thats Eternitys questions on existence triggering the Big Bang which by all accounts is a manifestation of the Phoenix Force.

No retcon im afraid. 🙁 😱