Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
For it to be an insult, I have to intend it as one. I can't help if you're easily offended or insulted.Either way, I posted something about Forge and you completely didn't get what I meant. No offence meant, but you are genuinely a stupid comics "fan". Because you're not a comics fan at all, you're an X-Fan. You're commenting on F4 Vs X-Men when you've admitted before to barely even knowing who they were.
You can't debate with no knowledge.
-AC
yes, don't deny it because you insult many people on this forum. not just me. a ton of people here want you banned, and there are actually people that I talk to from other forums that won't join here because of you. no joke
either way, can you post that comment again, because I recall you only saying that I shouldn't respond to you.
Originally posted by newjak86
Did I sat radiation can do that no. I said Cosmic inlfuences can. Plus radiation has been known to trigger mutations though I don't believe it would ever result in a Hulk or Spiderman.
Simply sating it is his power doesn't change the concept behind it needed to make it a real power that evoltution even in a comic book could do.
Cyclops optic beams are from his eyes being able to use sunlight and focus it into blast. Possiblt improbable but still a cocept that can be believed. Energy projection isn't as out there as one would think since our bodies do hold very different and sometimes unstabble substances in it.
And for Forge's power to be remotely possible he would have to have been born with knowledge on every subject.
I though Cyclops power are extra dimensional ?
Any way Light and other forms of Radiation, have no mass, so using them to move objects requires vast amounts of Energy. E.G. E = Mc2.Its much easier to fire and object like a bullet.
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Originally posted by stormfront13
yes, don't deny it because you insult many people on this forum. not just me. a ton of people here want you banned, and there are actually people that I talk to from other forums that won't join here because of you. no joke
Oh, poor them. I'm sorry I'm such an intimidating beast then. Haha, their worry is not my problem.
If I insulted people half as bad as people claim, I'd be banned. I'm friends with a couple of mods so I know I get reported all the time by people who can't handle the way I debate and can't handle losing. I can't be banned because people try too hard to come at me. You get insulted easily? Sorry, not my problem. If you don't want me to call you an idiot, don't be one.
Originally posted by stormfront13
either way, can you post that comment again, because I recall you only saying that I shouldn't respond to you.
Go back and read it.
-AC
Originally posted by CreshoskSince it is done by an influence outside the laws of science yes their powersd make more sense. Evolution is a scienific progress and therefore anything resulting from it must also be based in it's principles.
Yeah, but their origins are more logical right? Since they weren't "born with it" right?No you don't. 😄
How do people evolve to control ICE, or the WEATHER, or project energy from there eyes, or even turning back and forth from metal, or combusting moecules on a molecular level?
These aren't natural paths that a human can acheive in the real world, because what do they stem from in the real world?
And how is that a natural evolution chain, in the real world? What creature can utilize energy from the sun to release it as energy from the eyes?
Why? What creature can do this?
Like the ability to control weather? Or be able to manipulate kinetic energy?
No he wouldn't. HE wouldn't even have to really know why certain things go in certain places. He is just told by his power to put this here and this there.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How do you have a power to "invent anything"?"Hi, I'm Forge. Due to a leap in evolution I can do what Dr. Doom and Reed can do anyway."
-AC
I don't get how many meanings this can...but whatever. it's a comic, does there really need to be a reason he can do what he does? he does what red and doom do, but better. they can invent and build things, but that's what forges power is, he does it better than they can
Originally posted by newjak86
Since it is done by an influence outside the laws of science yes their powersd make more sense. Evolution is a scienific progress and therefore anything resulting from it must also be based in it's principles.
Mystic and cosmic influences are perfectly useable as ways of explaining the unexplainable becuase they are things outside of what we know and there fore can not be limited in what they do.
They may not be natural steps we can take but yet taken enough time can be explained by physical changes and things that are bodies have changed that allow us to do so. Such as Icem,an's body may have temprature control glands that allow him to make air around cool down faster.
Cyclops I already explained.
Colossus metal is a element in our body so the idea that a person simply soldifies it can be explained.
To invent something though you must know how certain principles work with eachother witout any knowledge I can not build a car unless I know everything about it. Forge's power would also have to have him know everything possible from birth and that is impossible.
Originally posted by newjak86
Since it is done by an influence outside the laws of science yes their powersd make more sense. Evolution is a scienific progress and therefore anything resulting from it must also be based in it's principles.
Mystic and cosmic influences are perfectly useable as ways of explaining the unexplainable becuase they are things outside of what we know and there fore can not be limited in what they do.
They may not be natural steps we can take but yet taken enough time can be explained by physical changes and things that are bodies have changed that allow us to do so. Such as Icem,an's body may have temprature control glands that allow him to make air around cool down faster.
Cyclops I already explained.
Colossus metal is a element in our body so the idea that a person simply soldifies it can be explained.
To invent something though you must know how certain principles work with eachother witout any knowledge I can not build a car unless I know everything about it. Forge's power would also have to have him know everything possible from birth and that is impossible.
Trust me mate none of those things are going to Naturaly evolve. By Introducing Nano tech and other technologies into equation you may have diffent results.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterStill one based on the idea of evoltuion.
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Meh, its a gift with forge, and why is this in question anyway?
Originally posted by stormfront13
I don't get how many meanings this can...but whatever. it's a comic, does there really need to be a reason he can do what he does? he does what red and doom do, but better. they can invent and build things, but that's what forges power is, he does it better than they can
You don't "get" much, that's what I'm talking about.
As for doing it better, he doesn't though does he? That's just you saying he does.
I've got no problem with it, just think it's a very random and stupid thing to say. "Power to invent things".
-AC
Originally posted by newjak86So it's magic that caused the FF's DNA to be altered to allow these powers. . .
Since it is done by an influence outside the laws of science yes their powersd make more sense.
And Magic is a much more logical explination than science. . .
Originally posted by newjak86Like cyclops's power? What scientific principal does it agree with that it is not grossly violating?
Evolution is a scienific progress and therefore anything resulting from it must also be based in it's principles.
Look at the third law of motion.
Cyclops shouldn't be able to be beheaded or knocked out by any force less than the power of his beams. His neck muscles would have to be fricken MASSIVE in order to withstand the kick. . . but then his brain would also have to withstand it as well. . .
Originally posted by newjak86
Mystic and cosmic influences are perfectly useable as ways of explaining the unexplainable becuase they are things outside of what we know and there fore can not be limited in what they do.
Magic is more logically acceptable than "they were born with it."
Originally posted by newjak86So what explains Cyclops being able to utilize the solar energy into a form of energy that has enough mass to concussivley peirce through metal, but has no heat, and doesn't kill him when he uses it?
They may not be natural steps we can take but yet taken enough time can be explained by physical changes and things that are bodies have changed that allow us to do so.
Originally posted by newjak86And how do "temperature control glands" function outside the body much less at all?
Such as Icem,an's body may have temprature control glands that allow him to make air around cool down faster.
Originally posted by newjak86Not very well.
Cyclops I already explained.
Originally posted by newjak86And then desolidifies it?
Colossus metal is a element in our body so the idea that a person simply soldifies it can be explained.
Where does it go when he's in human form? And what metal exists in our body that can stand up to the thing's strength or even Juggernauts?
Originally posted by newjak86No, this is your speculative belief as to how his power works.
To invent something though you must know how certain principles work with eachother witout any knowledge I can not build a car unless I know everything about it. Forge's power would also have to have him know everything possible from birth and that is impossible.
IT's not proven to function like that, it seems like more of assembly instructions that pop up when he needs them.
You don't need to know all the pricipals behind a car or a computer to put either togethrer from the parts available. Not, if you follow the instructions.
Originally posted by yahmanTrust me I don't like the idea of what they have become and no way could anything justify the power boost they got. Still in the begining some of them could be explained and justified just not Forge's power.
Trust me mate none of those things are going to Naturaly evolve. By Introducing Nano tech and other technologies into equation you may have diffent results.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You don't "get" much, that's what I'm talking about.As for doing it better, he doesn't though does he? That's just you saying he does.
I've got no problem with it, just think it's a very random and stupid thing to say. "Power to invent things".
-AC
only according to yoiu I don't get much. yes he does, his power is to invent things. you saying that is just not having a good understanding of his character. and it is a stupid power, at least we agree there.
Originally posted by newjak86
Trust me I don't like the idea of what they have become and no way could anything justify the power boost they got. Still in the begining some of them could be explained and justified just not Forge's power.
Apart from Beat, Forge, Toad and Angel, all the other powers are far beyond the realms of genetics. External elements have to be brought in before you get a realistic explanation.