Originally posted by newjak86Unless it's like spider sense. 😛
YOu can put a car toghether with instructions made by people who know what to do. Where does Forge get these instructions if he can build anything he would have to be Bron with knowledge on them thus he would have to know how everything fit together sense no one is helping him.
You're still trying so hard to disallow this power? Why?
Originally posted by CreshoskBecause if I feel that it something that can not happen I will not sit here and have someone tell it can. I back down from no man because I am afraid of no person. Not trying to sound like someone who just goes around and starts just discrediting powers I mean I don't like the Phoenix's power but I still accept because it is cosmic in nature. Forge's power would mean he has to be born with knowledge on every subject and that can not happen.
Unless it's like spider sense. 😛You're still trying so hard to disallow this power? Why?
Originally posted by newjak86So because you don't believe in the character, Forge doesn't exist?
Because if I feel that it something that can not happen I will not sit here and have someone tell it can.
Originally posted by newjak86What does that have to do with anything?
I back down from no man because I am afraid of no person.
Originally posted by newjak86I'm tired of your ontological argument.
Not trying to sound like someone who just goes around and starts just discrediting powers I mean I don't like the Phoenix's power but I still accept because it is cosmic in nature. Forge's power would mean he has to be born with knowledge on every subject and that can not happen.
I define Forge's powers to be X
Since I cannot conceive of X, X must not exist
Therefore Forge's powers do not exist.
Obviously if as you say, the way you described his powers IS impossible, then this simply means that the way you described his powers is inaccurate, not that the character's powers are impossible. Since if they were impossible, forge wouldn't exist. Then his powers must be possible, since he does exist (in comicdom you smartasses that are reading this).
Originally posted by CreshoskIn comics they can happen doesn't mean I still have to believe that they are possible. There no doubt powers out there you feel don't make sense.
So because you don't believe in the character, Forge doesn't exist?What does that have to do with anything?
I'm tired of your ontological argument.
I define Forge's powers to be X
Since I cannot conceive of X, X must not exist
Therefore Forge's powers do not exist.Obviously if as you say, the way you described his powers IS impossible, then this simply means that the way you described his powers is inaccurate, not that the character's powers are impossible. Since if they were impossible, forge wouldn't exist. Then his powers must be possible, since he does exist (in comicdom you smartasses that are reading this).
Wow, I COMPLETELY forgot about this thread (despite the fact that I made it).
Let me clarify something about Forge's powers. (why is there even a discussion on Forge...he's not one of the X-men listed?)
Forge has the power to intuitively understand technology, no matter how sophisicated. He literally views technology the way we view books - he just reads it and gets it. He knows what it takes to make anything mechnical.
But there's a limitation to his power. He has to be able to understand side principles to make technology do certain tasks.
So he can build a battering ram capable of destroying the planet because he'll just build something that can generate infinite force. But he can't build a machine that can cure cancer unless he knows about what cancer is and how it works.
Bottom line is - Forge isn't god. But there's no limitation to what he can build with sufficient knowledge, which makes him a better purely mechanical inventer than Reed or Doom. What gives Reed or Doom the edge, however, is their knowledge of so many things. The time Forge saves in actually figuring out the mechnical/electronic processes would be spent (and then some) in understanding the topic the machine is supposed to address (like gamma rays, or time, or cancer). Forge does have advanced degrees in bio-engineering and physics, however, so things that involve cosmic/gamma/mutant stuff are second nature to him.
That said, Forge and Magneto or Green Lantern mindlinked by Xavier with Cerebro to pull knowledge of any subject from any mind may just be the most powerful being in the universe, lol. Whatever is conceived of is instantly built.
Originally posted by newjak86And your beleif has no relevence to what Forge does in the comics.
In comics they can happen doesn't mean I still have to believe that they are possible.
Originally posted by newjak86But I still accept them, becuase I'm not above beleiving that it might be something I simply don't understand.
There no doubt powers out there you feel don't make sense.
Originally posted by newjak86So you know the evolution of humans in the Marvelverse, better than Marvel does?
I feel simply Forge's power is not a possible power based on evolution if it had cosmic or magical backgrounds then it is possible but not based on someone being born with it through evolution.
Originally posted by newjak86
Since for his power to be possible he would have to be born with all knowledge ever which is impossible.
Originally posted by newjak86No one can be born omniscient? Unless of course they have a scapegoat background?
No one can be born with all knowledge.
OR unless there was a power that pulled knowledge out of Toaa himself, right? because learning and adapting quickly isn't an evolutionary thing at all is it?
Originally posted by newjak86See? now you're thinking of ways that it is possible, instead of making a definition that you don't agree with to discredit his powers.
Like I said a more plausible idea is simply that his brain has evolved so it can process and use information quicker than normal. Thus making him a super genious and that his power to invent amazing devices is based off that.
Originally posted by CreshoskYeah what was I thinking the power to create any device or machine thanks to evolution perfectly explainable by the fact he was born with it. I mean I know it only took years of research by top minds to figure out how to build an atom bomb but Forge doesn't have to know he can just build whatever without knowing anything right. Learning and adapting is but not being born with unlimited knowledge.
And your beleif has no relevence to what Forge does in the comics.But I still accept them, becuase I'm not above beleiving that it might be something I simply don't understand.
So you know the evolution of humans in the Marvelverse, better than Marvel does?
I define his powers to be X, since I cannot concieve of X, X Must not exist. Therefore his powers don't exist.
No one can be born omniscient? Unless of course they have a scapegoat background?
OR unless there was a power that pulled knowledge out of Toaa himself, right? because learning and adapting quickly isn't an evolutionary thing at all is it?
See? now you're thinking of ways that it is possible, instead of making a definition that you don't agree with to discredit his powers.
Originally posted by newjak86Yeah he wasn't born with the knowledge, just a better abiltity to gain said knowledge.
Yeah what was I thinking the power to create any device or machine thanks to evolution perfectly explainable by the fact he was born with it.
The assembly instructions seem to be the inventions themselves.
Originally posted by newjak86That's where he gets the assembly instructions.
I mean I know it only took years of research by top minds to figure out how to build an atom bomb but Forge doesn't have to know he can just build whatever without knowing anything right.
Originally posted by newjak86It's being born with the ability to aquire unlimited knowledge.
Learning and adapting is but not being born with unlimited knowledge.
Originally posted by CreshoskThus are different and he isn't born with the power to make anything just some things.
Yeah he wasn't born with the knowledge, just a better abiltity to gain said knowledge.The assembly instructions seem to be the inventions themselves.
That's where he gets the assembly instructions.
It's being born with the ability to aquire unlimited knowledge.
Originally posted by newjak86No, it's how you define it.
Thus are different and he isn't born with the power to make anything just some things.
He can build anything. its a true statement, mind you it is leaving out that he has to read the technology to understand it. . . like a manual.
Or the word potential, he has the potential to build anything.
Originally posted by CreshoskYes but still with his limited life there would be no way he could ever learn everything.
No, it's how you define it.He can build anything. its a true statement, mind you it is leaving out that he has to read the technology to understand it. . . like a manual.
Or the word potential, he has the potential to build anything.
Originally posted by newjak86
Yes but still with his limited life there would be no way he could ever learn everything.
Also some realms should be outside of his power such as cosmic or magical forces.
Cosmic is as scientific as anything else. Forge actually knows magic pretty well, too. He was his village's shaman and has used spells in the past.
Originally posted by newjak86
Yes but still with his limited life there would be no way he could ever learn everything.
Also some realms should be outside of his power such as cosmic or magical forces.
Unless he discovers the technology to allow him to live forever. 😉
Actually technology can interface with these two, so it's not outside of his realm. . .
Particularly not magic, as Forge is a Chyene Shaman. so he understands magic, and has built devices that interface between them.
He's also a potent spellcaster. . .I rmember when hew fought Adversary with the X-Men . . .