Gl ring vs Quantum bands

Originally posted by whobdamandog

Now I have a couple questions for you kind sir..

Originally posted by whobdamandog

Do all GL's have an infinite amount of energy in the ring?

Originally posted by whobdamandog

Are they able to teleport from one part of the Galaxy to another in the blink of an eye?

Originally posted by whobdamandog

Does Hal have knowledge of the entire electromagnetic spectrum and understand how to utilize the ring to its full potential?(Can't use Parallax..😉 to answer this question)

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Thanks for posting the pictures...

No problem

Originally posted by whobdamandog
I believe he was trying to remove it from his forehead. There were a number of ways Q could have taken Warlock out after draining the energy, however, he was just trying to gain information about what was going on. Anyway...I made the point that Warlock was rendered relatively helpless at the onset of the battle, and as we can see in the preceeding page you just posted..I believe that's a pretty fair assumption. Quasar manhandled him fairly effortlessly in the initial go around.

Actually Quasar didnt try to remove the Gem yet. He saw that it was going to fire, then he was going to try and remove it. If Warlock used the Gem from the beginning, Quasar wuoldnt have even been able to drain him of anything. If assumptions are to be made, its fair to assume Warlock would have taken Quasar out at the start of battle. Considering Qusar didnt even seem to know who Warlock was, let alone the Gem.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
I guess we could also make the assumption that Warlock might have been able to use the gem, however, due to his weakened condition after being drained of his cosmic power, I think it would be fairly easy for Quasar to evade such a blast, if he were really attempting to take Warlock down.

Read above.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Back on topic..Q-bands are still the better weapons..IMO, they seem to have less vulnerabilities and limitations than the GL rings.

And how is that. With the ring, the stronger the willpower, the better the feat. Certain energies that are outside the electromagnetic spectrum or are vastly more powerful than the Q-bands cannot be drained or absorbd. Thr only GL limitations are the 24 hour time limit. The yellow limitation is no more. The only other limitation is the weares willpower.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
On another note..has anyone recognized that most of the current GL rings upgrades give it the exact same types of powers as the Q-bands.

I havent.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
I've also noticed that Kyle seems to be doing a lot of Quasarish things with the ring..such as surrounding his body in armor...using it to manipulate various energy frequencies..etc..And yes..I know GL came before Quasar, however, back about 10 - 12 years ago..GL was not doing these types of things with the ring. He was limited mostly to making big damb fists and flying. Then after Quasar had a relatively successful run in the late 80's early 90's. Then Kyle came on board as GL and started doing the exact same things Quasar with the bands..coincidence? I think not...conspiracy I tell you.... 😄

Well GL's always had the natural aura. that was like the body armor anyways. Just not bulky. Ive never seen quasar with a natural aura like the Gl's, so it kinda balances out. But GL's have made body armor, shields, swords as well as fists lol.

You also have to remember that Kyle wasnt as confident compared toother GL's. Thus him making the extra body armor was extra protection. No harm in that. It just shows his confidence level. I get what youre saying though.

<<The only time that willpower is involved with the Q-bands is regarding the strength of the constructs created by the bands, For example an individual using the Q-bands can will an energy construct to be strong enough for adamantium not break it.>>

in defense of the ring, if the will power of the wielder is strong enough, the ring can actually shatter adamantium.

Youre right.

<<Actually Quasar didnt try to remove the Gem yet. He saw that it was going to fire, then he was going to try and remove it. If Warlock used the Gem from the beginning, Quasar wuoldnt have even been able to drain him of anything. If assumptions are to be made, its fair to assume Warlock would have taken Quasar out at the start of battle. Considering Qusar didnt even seem to know who Warlock was, let alone the Gem.>>

yep.

<<Do all GL's have an infinite amount of energy in the ring?
You know this answer. Thats the Q-bands only advantage.>>

the level of energy is again dependent on the willpower. perhaps the argument can be made that an individual lacks infinite willpower, however, the potential for energy tapping remains the same.

i would like to see a direct comparison bewteen the largest amounts of energy EACH has released. didn't kyle essentially hold a fallen spectre briefly? he's also encircled the moon and moved it (can't recall that full scenario there, so anyone with more concrete knowledge is free to chime in) and held a supernova. in terms of pure destructive force, i'm not sure either has shown planet-destroying levels, though hal has certainly performed planetary feats in the past. i can't recall quasar doing anything of that magnitude, but i've not looked over my quasar collection in sometime.

anyone?

The most energy ive seen Quasar produce was the force of 100 magatons. That was against Thanos.

GL has shielded against a 300 megaton explosion, destroyed a planet, shielded and contained supernovas.

Ive never seen Quasar display any power more than that. Unless sopmeone has seen otherwise?

I didnt realize Quasar gets loopy when somebody breaks his constructs.

They must be will powered also.

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are the Gl rings cooler-yes
are they more versatile-yes
are they more complex than they need to be-yes
if they were the only options on the table would i choose them-yes
do the gls suffer mental fatigue b4 quasar-yes
do they have to be focused 100%-yes
do thier contructs fade when the get disoriented-yes
does the ring get all snooty and picky about who wields it-yes
are they worth all that damn trouble?- hell no!

do the quantum bands have more brute force-yes
does it inherently come with massive heat and concussive force-yes
is its power source limitless-yes
can anybody just pick them and use them-yes
does that make them more appealing to me-yes
do they require the user to be noble, and honest in mind body an spirit- HELL NO!

Originally posted by manjaro
are the Gl rings cooler-yes
are they more versatile-yes
are they more complex than they need to be-yes
if they were the only options on the table would i choose them-yes

do the gls suffer mental fatigue b4 quasar-yes
What makes you think this? GL feats have been bigger over the years.

do they have to be focused 100%-yes
do thier contructs fade when the get disoriented-yes

does the ring get all snooty and picky about who wields it-yes
No. Regular people once stole Hal and Guys rings and were able to use it. Only Kyles ring cannot be used by any other.

are they worth all that damn trouble?- hell no!
To be the most powerful weapon in the universe. I think so.

do the quantum bands have more brute force-yes
More brute force? 100 magatons, to destroying planets. Which is more force to you?

does it inherently come with massive heat and concussive force-yes
Same as a GL ring.

is its power source limitless-yes
can anybody just pick them and use them-yes
does that make them more appealing to me-yes
do they require the user to be noble, and honest in mind body an spirit- HELL NO!

A couple of those were slightly inacurate.

Originally posted by manjaro

do the gls suffer mental fatigue b4 quasar-yes

Originally posted by manjaro

do they have to be focused 100%-yes

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Originally posted by jrodslam
Actually Quasar didnt try to remove the Gem yet. He saw that it was going to fire, then he was going to try and remove it. If Warlock used the Gem from the beginning, Quasar wuoldnt have even been able to drain him of anything. If assumptions are to be made, its fair to assume Warlock would have taken Quasar out at the start of battle. Considering Qusar didnt even seem to know who Warlock was, let alone the Gem.

Whether it was before/after is a bit irrelevant, seeing has how I never made a stipulation suggesting that removing the gem at a certain period of time had any significance to it. The bottom line is that as I stated in my previous post, Quasar took him down relatively effortlessly from the onset of battle, leaving him relatively "helpless." We can come up with multiple array of assumptions of what could of happened...but again..that really doesn't invalidate what actually did happen, which was an arrogant Warlock getting "owned" rather effortlessly...😄

And how is that. With the ring, the stronger the willpower, the better the feat. Certain energies that are outside the electromagnetic spectrum or are vastly more powerful than the Q-bands cannot be drained or absorbd. Thr only GL limitations are the 24 hour time limit. The yellow limitation is no more. The only other limitation is the weares willpower.

The willpower limitation is a big one in my book, as is the 24 hour time limit. The quantum bands have no such limitations, as long as they are used within the multiverse.

Well GL's always had the natural aura. that was like the body armor anyways. Just not bulky. Ive never seen quasar with a natural aura like the Gl's, so it kinda balances out. But GL's have made body armor, shields, swords as well as fists lol.

You also have to remember that Kyle wasnt as confident compared toother GL's. Thus him making the extra body armor was extra protection. No harm in that. It just shows his confidence level. I get what youre saying though.

Q has a "Quantum" aura surrounding his body similar to the aura the GL's project from their bodies. It absorbs all energy attacks before they make contact with his body(non-mystical) It also enables him to absorb the shunt of physical attacks to a limited degree. The body armor thing with the GL's happened waaay after Q started doing it, as did many of the other modifications to the rings abilities. Blame part of this on Ron Marz...who used to write for Marvel on Silver Surfer, and was heavily influenced by Mark Gruenwald's Quasar run. He incorporated much of the Q-bands abilities into the new GL ring Kyle received.

On another note..I believe another poster stated that anyone can possess the Quantum bands, and utilize their powers. This is a bit innaccurate. Only those who are chosen to be the protectors of the universe can use the bands full potential, without being destroyed from the energy the bands absorb.

Originally posted by jrodslam
The most energy ive seen Quasar produce was the force of 100 magatons. That was against Thanos.

GL has shielded against a 300 megaton explosion, destroyed a planet, shielded and contained supernovas.

Ive never seen Quasar display any power more than that. Unless sopmeone has seen otherwise?

Well I know that when absorbing man obtained the bands power, Quasar noted that Creel had the potential energy of a "sun" in him...I've also seen him absorb crap loads of energy from Silver Surfer and multiple other high level cosmics..without having much difficulty. I don't think it impossible to do any of things you've mentioned. Again though we do have to realize we're comparing Marvel and DC...which seem to work on much different power Scales. I really think that if each relic were placed in the same respective comic book universes, they would have relatively the same amount of power.

<<do the quantum bands have more brute force-yes>>

i'm curious why you would say this. people continue to repeat the fact that the q-bands can channel 'infinite' energy. so . . . why doesn't quasar channel infinite power? same reason the gl's don't - the amount of energy is subject to the wielder's will power.

<<is its power source limitless-yes>> potentially limitless. again, q has never channeled 'limitless' energy.

<<do the gls suffer mental fatigue b4 quasar-yes>> that's simply opinion. i'd disagree and say it depends on the gl. some are obviously stronger than others, and i'd argue hal as certainly stronger than q.

<<do thier contructs fade when the get disoriented-yes>> as do q's. if he is tired or exhausted, his constructs also weaken.

i see it simply like this -- anything the q-bands can do, a gl ring can do. q-bands CANNOT do everything a gl ring can do.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm curious why you would say this. people continue to repeat the fact that the q-bands can channel 'infinite' energy. so . . . why doesn't quasar channel infinite power? same reason the gl's don't - the amount of energy is subject to the wielder's will power.

Why doesn't Flash run at lightspeed all the time? Why doesn't Cyclops remove his visor when he shoots for maximum power output? Why doesn't Superman use earth-shattering punches all the time? Why doesn't Martian Manhunter mindwipe every JLA villain all the time? Why isn't the Invisible Woman invisible all the time?

They don't work that way. Quasar doesn't work that way.

Protectors, and specifically Quasar, don't just pummel their enemies into submission by releasing infinite amounts of Q-energy. Quasar was a trained Shield agent so he knows better. Shooting infinite energy can be redirected or absorbed so it would just be a wasted effort. Even when Quasar was fighting former Protectors, all of them used strategy instead of power in order to win.

Quasar has never channeled infinite energy but he's drained near infinite sources of power by opening all 14 gems in the bands. Ex: Warlocks soul gem, Thanos' infinity gauntlet...

Quasar's constructs don't weaken or fade if he gets tired or even knocked unconscious. Once they're created, they exist until destroyed or until Quasar absorbs them back into the bands.

Originally posted by leonidas

i see it simply like this -- anything the q-bands can do, a gl ring can do. q-bands CANNOT do everything a gl ring can do.

<<Quasar's constructs don't weaken or fade if he gets tired>>

well . . .

<<How Strong Are Quasar's Quantum-Constructs?
It depends on:

His concentration at the time of the construct's construction. If he's really alert and imbues it with the appropriate thickness, density, and stability, it will be stronger than a quickly or sloppily-constructed object. Mental fatigue is a major factor. When he's tired, he's sloppy and makes poor judgments, including during quantum-construction.>>

that from mark gruenwald on the q-bands.

as far as why supes doesn't hit, flash run as fast . . .

there's a difference - i'm saying quasar is UNABLE to channel infinite power for the same reasons the gl's can't blast with infinite energy - his will is not strong enough to do so. the others are ABLE to do their feats but choose not to for several reasons. and quasar never absorbed any energy from the soul gem - he couldn't. it's powers were outside the q-bands.

he just taps into an infinte source, it doesnt take willpower to do that. going back to my "dam" analogy if he opens up the apertures in his bands that channel the energy from the q-zone, energy will continue to dump out until he closes them off. how hard is it to just stand thier and let energy flow....not unlike watering flowers with a garden hose, the energy doesnt come from his body, just the gems in the bands

i see what you're saying, and if he's using just a garden hose, he has no problems and could let energy run through them for as long as he wants. if by infinite you mean 'will never run out', i agree. however, if he turns up to firehose level, the pressure becomes too great to handle. he could potentially unleash energy for an infinite amount of time, but that's vastly different from unleashing an infinite amount of energy in the form of a blast or display of power.

again, i ask, what's the biggest output of power quasar has achieved? i mentioned a couple gl feats - containing a supernova, holding the spectre encircling and pulling the moon (with assistance to pull it, i think). hal has many planetary level feats. what has quasar and the bands done on that level?

Quasar's biggest output of power........force of 100 megatons.