Originally posted by WickermanBut at that time there was NO definition of what his character was. There was no bio, no stats, just a new character that nothing was known about other than what he did.
When talking about the first appearance, you can't blame popularity or sales, but you can blame PIS, simply for the fact that as jinzin himself has said, Logan was initially supposed to be a Hulk villain. Even if he didn't have the prerequisites to tangle with the Hulk and Wendigo he did, and that can be argued to be because of his purpose in the comic book.~wickerman~
Originally posted by Creshosk
But at that time there was NO definition of what his character was. There was no bio, no stats, just a new character that nothing was known about other than what he did.
Regardless of that, it CAN be called PIS. He was made to be a Hulk villain. So....even though not having the abilities we think he'd need to take on the Hulk, he managed just fine. That sounds like PIS to me.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by WickermanWhat I'm saying is that AT THE TIME we didn't know what his abilities were.
Regardless of that, it CAN be called PIS. He was made to be a Hulk villain. So....even though not having the abilities we think he'd need to take on the Hulk, he managed just fine. That sounds like PIS to me.~wickerman~
Look at Titanus. He knocked the hulk out in 3 hits. And as I said before you CAN'T cry PIS on his first appearence because we know NOTHING about him. When he was created he MIGHT have had abilities that we don't know about.
Why is it less PIS than wolverine? Because we know NOW what his abilities were? So it BECAME PIS as time went on? Because you couldn't do it at the time, there was no reason to.
Originally posted by Creshosk
What I'm saying is that AT THE TIME we didn't know what his abilities were.Look at Titanus. He knocked the hulk out in 3 hits. And as I said before you CAN'T cry PIS on his first appearence because we know NOTHING about him. When he was created he MIGHT have had abilities that we don't know about.
Why is it less PIS than wolverine? Because we know NOW what his abilities were? So it BECAME PIS as time went on? Because you couldn't do it at the time, there was no reason to.
What are you implying, he couldn't cut the hulk.
You can argued he was introduced, and that would make him look good.
Who's going to by a comic, with the guy losing on the first panel?
Originally posted by Creshosk
What I'm saying is that AT THE TIME we didn't know what his abilities were.Look at Titanus. He knocked the hulk out in 3 hits. And as I said before you CAN'T cry PIS on his first appearence because we know NOTHING about him. When he was created he MIGHT have had abilities that we don't know about.
Why is it less PIS than wolverine? Because we know NOW what his abilities were? So it BECAME PIS as time went on? Because you couldn't do it at the time, there was no reason to.
I can see what you're saying. But whether (i hate that word) we knew then what his abilities were or we know now what his abilities were (talking about his abilities then), it doesn't make a difference as to whether it is PIS or not. It is PIS, because his abilities, known to us now, as opposed to then weren't enough to tackle with the Hulk in our opinion.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Onikirimaru
I hate when you start reading a thread, and want to make statements, but by the time you get to the end we are talking about something else entirely.
If what's stopping you is that someone has already said what you wanted to say, yeah, that sucks 🙁 . If it's just cause we went off-topic, feel free to bring the thread back on-topic.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by WickermanAnd he didn't beat the Hulk did he?
I can see what you're saying. But whether (i hate that word) we knew then what his abilities were or we know now what his abilities were (talking about his abilities then), it doesn't make a difference as to whether it is PIS or not. It is PIS, because his abilities, known to us now, as opposed to then weren't enough to tackle with the Hulk in our opinion.~wickerman~
He "hung" with him.
Originally posted by Wickermanall discussions boil down to one thing in particular to reach a conclusion.
If what's stopping you is that someone has already said what you wanted to say, yeah, that sucks 🙁 . If it's just cause we went off-topic, feel free to bring the thread back on-topic.~wickerman~
For instance, we went from FF vs xmen, powerful xmen vs ff, non psionic xmen vs ff, and then the mental assault sue vs emma
Originally posted by Creshosk
And he didn't beat the Hulk did he?He "hung" with him.
yes, and so the question turns to "Can it be considered PIS for a character with the abilities that Logan had then, in the first issue, hang with the Hulk?" If the answer is yes, then ok. if it's no, then it's PIS.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterMarrow didn't put him out, She stabbed him in the throat, causing him to go beserker and no longer hilding back, and someone else had to rescue her.
this isn't the pages of a comic book, if so, wrecker gives thor trouble, equals done for wolverine.Lets not go by intangibles, I can make a list a mile long on who beat who.
wolverine is an 800 lb lifter, he's a peak human speed person, he has acute senses, he is an expert fighter, he heals.
Right there are mostly variables, 3 of them, so people fluctuate them.
As for hulk, wolverine couldn't cut him, nor thing, nor colossus.
DD put him out, marrow, etc, thing and hulk did easily.
Its what most likely will happened, not 100% what has happened, why debate it then, see what I mean?
And I'm not talking about him beating Wrecker either.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterIt should have been, as logan said, but that event was also still pretty early on when hulk did thunderclap him, and logan said it would have been fatal.
Thunderclap would be fatal to wolverine, what is your point?
Originally posted by Wickerman"Can it be considered PIS"
yes, and so the question turns to "Can it be considered PIS for a character with the abilities that Logan had then, in the first issue, hang with the Hulk?" If the answer is yes, then ok. if it's no, then it's PIS.~wickerman~
So either way its PIS?
Originally posted by WickermanHulk did Thunderclap him in a later confrontation between the two, but Wolverine's popularity still wouldn't have been high enough compared to the hulk at that time either.
That was an oooooooooold issue. Did Hulk even have thunderclap then? I'm pretty sure he did, but he might not have. 😕~wickerman~