Originally posted by jinzinwhy bother you'll just brush it off like merc, and deny it was ever there...
so instead of bringing up any reasoning as to your thesis or answering my question about the origin of your premise you just call me a nutswinger and call it a day eh?considering the fasion of your appearance in this thread the irony to that statement is hilarious, but I digress...
This. Is. Disgusting.
Your greatest argument, that LOGICALLY, and well written, and consistently, Logan would lose to ANYone with Wrecker's powers, has been refuted, yet to simply don't want to aknowledge that. Come on Cordera, you're a better man than that. Jinzin's proven, with SCANS, how wolverine's been hanging with 100 class hiters since his first damned appearance, in the worst possible circumstances. What do you have on your part? "Logical" assumptions of him losing because Wrecker's stronger and tougher apparently? You know better.
The only thing worse than a fanboy is an overzealous anti-fanboy. To tell you the truth, the only thing i've seen Jinzin do is make assumptions based on older similar fights. You're trying to use Logic in a comic environment. You KNOW it's more complicated than that.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by leonidas
all right jinzin, i'm not gonna pursue this overly long, but i need you to name me one cl100 character wolverine has defeated in a 1on1, no plot device battle. and since i don't want to really get into them, let's leave any hulk battles aside for the moment.who you got?
didn't he take half the Thing's face off one time? what class was that Cyber guy with the adamantium arms and stuff? he took Absorbing Man's arm off, he definitely can cause pain to the Wrecker (see pic)
not that i think any of this means he can beat the Wrecker in a straight up one on one match.... especially if the Wrecker has his crow bar...... not that it looks like he'll be getting his hands on it anytime soon
Originally posted by Wickerman
This. Is. Disgusting.Your greatest argument, that LOGICALLY, and well written, and consistently, Logan would lose to ANYone with Wrecker's powers, has been refuted, yet to simply don't want to aknowledge that. Come on Cordera, you're a better man than that. Jinzin's proven, with SCANS, how wolverine's been hanging with 100 class hiters since his first damned appearance, in the worst possible circumstances. What do you have on your part? "Logical" assumptions of him losing because Wrecker's stronger and tougher apparently? You know better.
The only thing worse than a fanboy is an overzealous anti-fanboy. To tell you the truth, the only thing i've seen Jinzin do is make assumptions based on older similar fights. You're trying to use Logic in a comic environment. You KNOW it's more complicated than that.
~wickerman~
jinzin thinks that Wolverine wins and that's fine. Most other people - myself included - have stated that they think Wolverine loses. What irks me is when threads go on for pages and pages because people refuse to believe Wolverine loses in the eyes of others. Persistence is admirable I guess, but for those of us with a low tolerance for tedium it's just plain annoying.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotThank you...
Look jinzin's welcome to his opinion and it's nice that you're trying to defend him but I don't see what point you're making exactly.
Are you arguing that Wolverine should beat Hulk, Namor, Thor, Abomination, Wrecker etc in the Comic Vs Forum?
Are you saying that him doing so in comics is logical and well-written?
Are you saying if a character does something in the comics no matter how stupid, SvFLish and PISish it should still be relevant?
Are you saying that if character A beats character B in the comics then the outcome is already certain because it's happened before - and if so then what's the point of versus forum?
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Hey look Wolverine's stabbed Magneto before... he'll win in Magneto vs Wolverine because he'll just stab him again.jinzin thinks that Wolverine wins and that's fine. Most other people - myself included - have stated that they think Wolverine loses. What irks me is when threads go on for pages and pages because people refuse to believe Wolverine loses in the eyes of others. Persistence is admirable I guess, but for those of us with a low tolerance for tedium it's just plain annoying.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Look jinzin's welcome to his opinion and it's nice that you're trying to defend him but I don't see what point you're making exactly.
Are you arguing that Wolverine should beat Hulk, Namor, Thor, Abomination, Wrecker etc in the Comic Vs Forum?
Are you saying that him doing so in comics is logical and well-written?
Are you saying if a character does something in the comics no matter how stupid and PISish it should still be relevant?
Are you saying that if character A beats character B in the comics then the outcome is already certain because it's happened before - and if so then what's the point of versus forum?
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Hey look Wolverine's stabbed Magneto before... he'll win in Magneto vs Wolverine because he'll just stab him again.
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jinzin thinks that Wolverine wins and that's fine. Most other people - myself included - have stated that they think Wolverine loses. What irks me is when threads go on for pages and pages because people refuse to believe Wolverine loses in the eyes of others. Persistence is admirable I guess, but for those of us with a low tolerance for tedium it's just plain annoying.
I'm not saying that he should, or shouldn't. I'm asking people to keep an open mind instead of using worn out sarcasm and lame jokes instead of arguments based on past events.
I'm not saying that him doing so in comics is logical and well-written, i'm saying it's CONSISTENT writing. Be it good, bad, or moderate, that's what the character's all about. So if he did it once, or twice, or three times, i'd say it's crappy writing and toss that aside. But if it happens CONSISTENTLY, regardless of it being good or bad writing, it's consistent.
I'm not saying that if character A beats character B in the comics then the outcome is already certain because it's happened before. I'm saying that if it's happened when he's faced similar even more powerful opponents in the past and the outcome has been X, then X is a possible outcome. As opposed to these "anti-fanboys" that choose to completely ignore those past events, and disgard outcome "X" from the start.
What irks ME most is when a thread is taken off-track because of their innate hatred for a character, and their lack of an objective perspective. I'm not Logan's biggest fan, heck, i don't even know if i've read more than three of his comics, but for Christ's sake, i try to keep an open mind.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
[COLOR=deeppink]This. Is. Disgusting.
It is...
Originally posted by Wickerman
Your greatest argument, that LOGICALLY, and well written, and consistently, Logan would lose to ANYone with Wrecker's powers, has been refuted, yet to simply don't want to aknowledge that.
This isn't within the page of a comic book, there are no plot devices etc. etc. etc.
He won, so what, spiderman beat iron man, will he win here, no.
wolverine beat magneto, hulk lost to batman, wolverine beat lobo.
Logic is reasoning with what the character is presented with, the writers have to have a illusion of suspense or the comic is boring.
Who wants to see cool wolverine lose to wrecker?
Originally posted by Wickerman
Come on Cordera, you're a better man than that. Jinzin's proven, with SCANS, how wolverine's been hanging with 100 class hiters since his first damned appearance, in the worst possible circumstances.
Scans are fine, what has he proven?
I didn't say wolverine couldn't hang with power hitters, I just said he'd lose to a great majority of them without the HERO factor.
The problem is jinzin gets matches and tells half the story, or leaves out the part where wolverine looks like an ass.
Daredevil, silver samurai, marrow, etc.
Originally posted by Wickerman
What do you have on your part? "Logical" assumptions of him losing because Wrecker's stronger and tougher apparently? You know better.
No, the fact that wrecker has given thor trouble, he has more strength, can attack his organs, has a longer reach, everything.
His assumption is that logan has a healing factor and will one stab EVERYTHING.
Its highly illogical and unfair.
Originally posted by Wickerman
The only thing worse than a fanboy is an overzealous anti-fanboy. To tell you the truth, the only thing i've seen Jinzin do is make assumptions based on older similar fights. You're trying to use Logic in a comic environment. You KNOW it's more complicated than that.
How is this match similar to others, are there 4 other people here?
No this is a theroetical match so there needs to be logic and debating going in hand and hand here.
I've went all over all of his post.
Wolverine doesn't have the strength sufficient to remove a significant appendage.
Logic based on the characters abilities, jinzin uses nothing BUT pis/cis to support his matches, its well known throughout the forum.
He does it against hulk, abomination, namor, metallo, thor, superman level characters, its disgusting.
Why can't he say wolverine will lose the majority and go on?
Why are ALL of his assumtpions based on crap writing and plot devices?
Originally posted by Wickerman
I'm not saying that he should, or shouldn't. I'm asking people to keep an open mind instead of using worn out sarcasm and lame jokes instead of arguments based on past events.
I'm not saying that him doing so in comics is logical and well-written, i'm saying it's CONSISTENT writing. Be it good, bad, or moderate, that's what the character's all about. So if he did it once, or twice, or three times, i'd say it's crappy writing and toss that aside. But if it happens CONSISTENTLY, regardless of it being good or bad writing, it's consistent.
I'm not saying that if character A beats character B in the comics then the outcome is already certain because it's happened before. I'm saying that if it's happened when he's faced similar even more powerful opponents in the past and the outcome has been X, then X is a possible outcome. As opposed to these "anti-fanboys" that choose to completely ignore those past events, and disgard outcome "X" from the start.
What irks ME most is when a thread is taken off-track because of their innate hatred for a character, and their lack of an objective perspective. I'm not Logan's biggest fan, heck, i don't even know if i've read more than three of his comics, but for Christ's sake, i try to keep an open mind.~wickerman~
I dont hate wolverine, I hate its fanboys, as for sarcasm, that would be jinzin who started that.
I rebutted his entire post..
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Originally posted by jinzin
honestly I'm not too sure yet....did wrecker hit wolverine? yeah...
He'd hit him so damned hard that he would fly to the next state, whats so hard to understand about all of this?
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Originally posted by jinzin
did wolverine get right back up and get in his face every time? yes...
Wolverine won't be getting up so fast that wrecker would be caught off guard like you seem to envision.
He got up and ran into his face, so what, I don't get it. This is a worse comparison than the emma vs sue one in the other thread.
I simply wouldn't base my win on someone getting back in someones else face, especially when they were distracted, poor, poor logic.
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Originally posted by jinzin
did wolverine's claws strikes disable wrecker to some extent?
I disagree for one, it depends on your outlook on disable.
Main Entry: dis·able
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Forms: dis·abled; dis·abl·ing
1 : to deprive of legal right, qualification, or capacity
2 : to make incapable or ineffective; specifically : to cause to have a disability —dis·able·ment noun
If we are talking about one, yes. It disabled him as much as a tack would disable me in a fight. It may hurt, but it wouldn't spell victory for the other side, its a nuisance.
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Originally posted by jinzin
based on the fact that he was screaming out in pain everytime wolverine hit him and eventually was forced to drop his crowbar...I believe so to some extent..
Based on the fact that wrecker has taken on guys like thor, I wouldn' bet much on pain.
Remember pain doesn't equate to victory.
I can use a nerve point on someone under the nose, it would sure as hell hurt, but if they got out, the pain would be gone, and they would be relatively unaffected.
Now if I struck that point, that would be a big difference.
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Originally posted by jinzin
honestly, if we are to assume wreckers fighitng ability is all that,
Why in the hell are we assuming wreckers ability to fight here?
I don't want to think that you apply that noone can fight, but wolverine?
Why would he need really any skill, seeing as he's stronger, and has a longer weapon.
With greater durability, is there any proof that wolverine can cause sufficient trauma to do him in?
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Originally posted by jinzin
than why are we to assume wolverine will do what he did here head to head (jump forward, claws out hoping for the best.)?
Its what made him famous, deal with it.
Stop taking away things you don't like.
Why are we acting like Wrecker is going to have the disadvantage?
Is the title, spiderman, cage, spiderwoman, AND wolverine vs Wrecker?
I didn't think so.
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Originally posted by jinzin
personally I'd like to see another direct comaprison between the two in a one on one matchup...
Yes, for one you agree with someone, what do you expect though, to notorize victory is ridiculous.
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Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine got tossed around sure,
He was getting made into a little *****, what are you getting at?
You admit colossus can defeat wolverine 10/10, but you make it seem like this is a good shot for wolverine?
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Originally posted by jinzin
but it can also be argued that he didn't show any signs of slowing down,
He could be going up, UP, UP , and AWAY!!!, into another state, or be beat to death, pinned, held down etc.
Do you honestly think wrecker cannot overwhelm wolverien's healing factor.
There's always the vital organs.
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Originally posted by jinzin
while the same can't really be said for wrecker.
He had MORE people fighting him, and loss to a special condition, take off the fanboy goggles please.
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Originally posted by jinzin
but thank you, I appreciate that you didn't ASSUME my argument here was that wolverine would beat wrecker because honestly,
Honestly you were, are, and still will be, defending him like a parent to a child who is ALWAYS in trouble, and come rushing to defend a bunch of nothing.
Its foolish, just let the bias go please.
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Originally posted by jinzin
I haven't made that claim yet.
Don't try this "I'm being objective" here ok, because its bull, you are doing it to save face.
Abom, hulk, metallo, namor, and this thread are ones you claimed victory for wolverine, this is why I find that statement so bull.
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Originally posted by jinzin
Nice to see someone doesn't just hate my guts for the hell of it..lol
see above.
Originally posted by Wickerman
I'm not saying that he should, or shouldn't. I'm asking people to keep an open mind instead of using worn out sarcasm and lame jokes instead of arguments based on past events.
I'm not saying that him doing so in comics is logical and well-written, i'm saying it's CONSISTENT writing. Be it good, bad, or moderate, that's what the character's all about. So if he did it once, or twice, or three times, i'd say it's crappy writing and toss that aside. But if it happens CONSISTENTLY, regardless of it being good or bad writing, it's consistent.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It is...This isn't within the page of a comic book, there are no plot devices etc. etc. etc.
He won, so what, spiderman beat iron man, will he win here, no.
wolverine beat magneto, hulk lost to batman, wolverine beat lobo.
Logic is reasoning with what the character is presented with, the writers have to have a illusion of suspense or the comic is boring.
Who wants to see cool wolverine lose to wrecker?
spiderman isn't the problem here. If you were to come in and talk about how spiderman's beaten hulk, namor, hercules, etc, SEVERAL times, with proof, then that wouldn't mean that he's gonna win, but i'd be here to say "He does indeed stand a chance". And if person B were to say "Cordera, you're being a fanboy, that's crap writing, spiderman would lose", i'd back you up saying "He said Spiderman's beaten similar foes several times, so he DOES stand a chance. So person B, stop assuming he loses from the start". That's what i meant. Hope it's clearer now.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Scans are fine, what has he proven?I didn't say wolverine couldn't hang with power hitters, I just said he'd lose to a great majority of them without the HERO factor.
The problem is jinzin gets matches and tells half the story, or leaves out the part where wolverine looks like an ass.
Daredevil, silver samurai, marrow, etc.
I may have gotten the wrong impression, but i could've sworn you and Hulk Power were pretty much just saying he'd lose miserably (if not in those words). And MY point isn't that the HERO factor isn't there, working its evil magic, but that it's almost always been there, and therefore, good or crappy writing, he HAS consistently defeated similar foes.
So you bring the nasty part where Logan looks like an ass. By doing that you bring some equilibrium into the thread. Don't go beating down on fans (note, not fanboys) and on the character. Be a bit more objective dude.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
No, the fact that wrecker has given thor trouble, he has more strength, can attack his organs, has a longer reach, everything.His assumption is that logan has a healing factor and will one stab EVERYTHING.
Its highly illogical and unfair.
No, his assumption ISN'T that. I'm guessing there's a misunderstanding. His assumption is that Wolverine's hung with (waits for "hung" joke 🙄 ) similar foes, and done his thing just fine. Your logic should normally work, but not in this case. You're ignoring his points on purpose man, and that's nasty, and i know you're better than that 🙁
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
How is this match similar to others, are there 4 other people here?No this is a theroetical match so there needs to be logic and debating going in hand and hand here.
I've went all over all of his post.
Wolverine doesn't have the strength sufficient to remove a significant appendage.
Logic based on the characters abilities, jinzin uses nothing BUT pis/cis to support his matches, its well known throughout the forum.
He does it against hulk, abomination, namor, metallo, thor, superman level characters, its disgusting.
Why can't he say wolverine will lose the majority and go on?
Why are ALL of his assumtpions based on crap writing and plot devices?
I didn't mean the Wrecker vs. New Avengers match is similar to others, i meant that the virtual Wolverine vs. Wrecker fight that this thread is all about is similar to fights he's previously had against other heavy hitters.
He doesn't need to remove a significant appendage. It was clear in the scans of the NA vs. W fight (using this one since it's most recent) that he can slice W badly enough for him to yell out in pain and drop his crowbar. I don't know about you, but when i get scratched (as you guys say) i don't yell out in pain and drop my weapon of choice (waits for joke 😖hifty: ).
Note: I'm not saying wolverine would win, but i'm saying you guys should have a more open mind about this match.
His assumptions are based on what YOU consider (maybe me as well 😉 ) crap writing and plot devices, because those are incredibly frequent when it comes to Logan. And therefore it is consistency. GOOD OR BAD writing, not being involved.
and....... LEAVE MY POSTS IN PINK WHEN QUOTING MY POSTS YOU BASTARD!!!!!!!!! 😛
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I dont hate wolverine, I hate its fanboys, as for sarcasm, that would be jinzin who started that.I rebutted his entire post..
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Originally posted by jinzin
honestly I'm not too sure yet....did wrecker hit wolverine? yeah...He'd hit him so damned hard that he would fly to the next state, whats so hard to understand about all of this?
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Originally posted by jinzin
did wolverine get right back up and get in his face every time? yes...Wolverine won't be getting up so fast that wrecker would be caught off guard like you seem to envision.
He got up and ran into his face, so what, I don't get it. This is a worse comparison than the emma vs sue one in the other thread.
I simply wouldn't base my win on someone getting back in someones else face, especially when they were distracted, poor, poor logic.
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Originally posted by jinzin
did wolverine's claws strikes disable wrecker to some extent?I disagree for one, it depends on your outlook on disable.
Main Entry: dis·able
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Forms: dis·abled; dis·abl·ing
1 : to deprive of legal right, qualification, or capacity
2 : to make incapable or ineffective; specifically : to cause to have a disability ?dis·able·ment nounIf we are talking about one, yes. It disabled him as much as a tack would disable me in a fight. It may hurt, but it wouldn't spell victory for the other side, its a nuisance.
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Originally posted by jinzin
based on the fact that he was screaming out in pain everytime wolverine hit him and eventually was forced to drop his crowbar...I believe so to some extent..Based on the fact that wrecker has taken on guys like thor, I wouldn' bet much on pain.
Remember pain doesn't equate to victory.
I can use a nerve point on someone under the nose, it would sure as hell hurt, but if they got out, the pain would be gone, and they would be relatively unaffected.
Now if I struck that point, that would be a big difference.
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Originally posted by jinzin
honestly, if we are to assume wreckers fighitng ability is all that,Why in the hell are we assuming wreckers ability to fight here?
I don't want to think that you apply that noone can fight, but wolverine?
Why would he need really any skill, seeing as he's stronger, and has a longer weapon.
With greater durability, is there any proof that wolverine can cause sufficient trauma to do him in?
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Originally posted by jinzin
than why are we to assume wolverine will do what he did here head to head (jump forward, claws out hoping for the best.)?Its what made him famous, deal with it.
Stop taking away things you don't like.
Why are we acting like Wrecker is going to have the disadvantage?
Is the title, spiderman, cage, spiderwoman, AND wolverine vs Wrecker?
I didn't think so.
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Originally posted by jinzin
personally I'd like to see another direct comaprison between the two in a one on one matchup...Yes, for one you agree with someone, what do you expect though, to notorize victory is ridiculous.
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Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine got tossed around sure,He was getting made into a little *****, what are you getting at?
You admit colossus can defeat wolverine 10/10, but you make it seem like this is a good shot for wolverine?
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Originally posted by jinzin
but it can also be argued that he didn't show any signs of slowing down,He could be going up, UP, UP , and AWAY!!!, into another state, or be beat to death, pinned, held down etc.
Do you honestly think wrecker cannot overwhelm wolverien's healing factor.
There's always the vital organs.
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Originally posted by jinzin
while the same can't really be said for wrecker.He had MORE people fighting him, and loss to a special condition, take off the fanboy goggles please.
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Originally posted by jinzin
but thank you, I appreciate that you didn't ASSUME my argument here was that wolverine would beat wrecker because honestly,Honestly you were, are, and still will be, defending him like a parent to a child who is ALWAYS in trouble, and come rushing to defend a bunch of nothing.
Its foolish, just let the bias go please.
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Originally posted by jinzin
I haven't made that claim yet.Don't try this "I'm being objective" here ok, because its bull, you are doing it to save face.
Abom, hulk, metallo, namor, and this thread are ones you claimed victory for wolverine, this is why I find that statement so bull.
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Originally posted by jinzin
Nice to see someone doesn't just hate my guts for the hell of it..lol
see above.
Thanks for insulting my reading skills 😖hifty: No need to requote those posts, i read them just fine buddy 😉
~wickerman~
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I don't see your point. Aside from Wolverine being anything but consistent - if something is consistent in what way does it preclude it from being bad writing. Last time I checked flawed and consistent weren't antonyms so there's nothing incongruous in something being consistently flawed.
*sigh* my point is that crap writing or not, whether we deem it as what should or shouldn't happen, the outcome is the same plenty of times. We can say "The outcome of that battle is CRAP", but that's what it is. And it's there for PLENTY of fights. So it IS consistent. It MIGHT be considered consistently bad writing, but don't accuse it of being inconsistent.
~wickerman~
Why do you assume people aren't being open-minded when they say Wolverine loses. If I thought Wolverine would win I would argue Wolverine wins. I don't. Imo he loses and imo in a fight where Wrecker's attention is solely on him, he loses badly.
Consistent? The healing factor is horribly inconsistent.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Why do you assume people aren't being open-minded when they say Wolverine loses. If I thought Wolverine would win I would argue Wolverine wins. I don't. Imo he loses and imo in a fight where Wrecker's attention is solely on him, he loses badly.Consistent? The healing factor is horribly inconsistent.
Because of the way they say it. Look back at all of Hulk Power's posts. That's why. Also, because they're presented with past scenarios, and instead of rebuttals with other examples, they simply wave their hand in a "talk to the hand" way mhm .
I didn't mention his healing factor, i mentioned previous fights. His healing factor is a great part of it, but that's not what i was talking about.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
spiderman isn't the problem here. If you were to come in and talk about how spiderman's beaten hulk, namor, hercules, etc, SEVERAL times, with proof, then that wouldn't mean that he's gonna win, but i'd be here to say "He does indeed stand a chance". And if person B were to say "Cordera, you're being a fanboy, that's crap writing, spiderman would lose", i'd back you up saying "He said Spiderman's beaten similar foes several times, so he DOES stand a chance. So person B, stop assuming he loses from the start". That's what i meant. Hope it's clearer now.
My problem is that jinzin does this all the time.
Leondas asked what class 100 characters he's consistently BEATEN.
Jinzin knows that leondas will find him wrong, so he's honest and gives a truthful answer.
hercules, ONCE.
Then when another person asked, he feels' he can get over them so he adds ALL these points that are irrelevant to the question.
"He stood up", nono, WHO DID HE BEAT!!!
without plot devices, etc.
Jinzin had to keep going on for the sake of it, and I see right through it.
Originally posted by Wickerman
I may have gotten the wrong impression, but i could've sworn you and Hulk Power were pretty much just saying he'd lose miserably (if not in those words). And MY point isn't that the HERO factor isn't there, working its evil magic, but that it's almost always been there, and therefore, good or crappy writing, he HAS consistently defeated similar foes.
So you bring the nasty part where Logan looks like an ass. By doing that you bring some equilibrium into the thread. Don't go beating down on fans (note, not fanboys) and on the character. Be a bit more objective dude.
I rebutted jinzins points, and didn't get a response, just a bunch of smartass remarks, its all I get, so I go on his level.
Yes fanboy, its exactly what it is. When a person HATES to see a character lose, and thinks coolness wins matches.
When the same people come and support them on every thread (go look at all the wolverine threads, and guess who's there.)
Fanboy isn't a derogatory term, I can be a Baldur's gate fanboy, and go to its forum ALL the time.
The problem is in OBJECTIVE debates, when a person lets their extreme bias get past logic its annoying.
I hate it on all threads, be it FF, batman, whatever, fanboyism takes away from a debate.
How wasn't I being objective? JInzin was obviously defending him, he's just doing this to save face.
He argues him beating guys like godzilla, and he's implying that wolverine will absorb everything and get 1 decapitating stab in.
He doesn't have the sufficient strength to do so.
Originally posted by Wickerman
No, his assumption ISN'T that. I'm guessing there's a misunderstanding. His assumption is that Wolverine's hung with (waits for "hung" joke 🙄 ) similar foes, and done his thing just fine. Your logic should normally work, but not in this case. You're ignoring his points on purpose man, and that's nasty, and i know you're better than that 🙁
No, jinzin ignored the question.
It was, "jinzin who has wolverine consistently BEATEN, without plot devices etc."
i hate when people try to dance around the point when they have no answer.
Hanging with is almost irrelevant with characters that popular, like I said it makes the comic look good.
Originally posted by Wickerman
[COLOR=deeppink]I didn't mean the Wrecker vs. New Avengers match is similar to others, i meant that the virtual Wolverine vs. Wrecker fight that this thread is all about is similar to fights he's previously had against other heavy hitters.
He doesn't need to remove a significant appendage. It was clear in the scans of the NA vs. W fight (using this one since it's most recent) that he can slice W badly enough for him to yell out in pain and drop his crowbar. I don't know about you, but when i get scratched (as you guys say) i don't yell out in pain and drop my weapon of choice (waits for joke 😖hifty: ).
Note: I'm not saying wolverine would win, but i'm saying you guys should have a more open mind about this match.
Pain doesn't equate to losing either.
To top it off wrecker has given thor much trouble, wolverine is dogshit to thor.
Let logic ensue, and let this thread die, the people are giving themselves the rep, I didn't ask them to stupidly defend a character.
Its the same ol' people wick,no newbs.
Jinzin's premise is that wolverine can cut it, he wins.
Originally posted by Wickerman
His assumptions are based on what YOU consider (maybe me as well 😉 ) crap writing and plot devices, because those are incredibly frequent when it comes to Logan. And therefore it is consistency. GOOD OR BAD writing, not being involved.
he's consistently inconsistent, it means the same thing.
sorry about the pink, but I'm lazy.
Originally posted by Wickerman
Because of the way they say it. Look back at all of Hulk Power's posts. That's why. Also, because they're presented with past scenarios, and instead of rebuttals with other examples, they simply wave their hand in a "talk to the hand" way mhm .I didn't mention his healing factor, i mentioned previous fights. His healing factor is a great part of it, but that's not what i was talking about.
~wickerman~
I agree that that was rude and whatever, but jinzin shouldn't do what he doesn't like, I like having good discussions like the rest of us, but these people act like 10 year olds when it comes to logic, I'm sure some of them may be 11 years old.
"Wolverine is the bestest and never loses!!!"
"Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics."
If Hulk, Abomination, Namor, Thing and any other character that can lift scores of tons and hundreds of tons don't knock Wolverine or any other person with basic human durability (yes I know he heals but that isn't durability that's regenerative ability) out in a single page of a comic book then they are engaging in PIS.
I do recall jinzin stating that he knows it is PIS and still uses it (though I could be recalling wrong).