Originally posted by Creshosk
Ah yes the stats that are discarded when they go against your characters, like Doc Ock. . .Stats that are like a single showing in a single comic book. Those stats?
Um, I didn't discard anything with wolverine vs ock, I actually remember OWNING you, because each of the arms have ai.
Its a handguide.
You are contradicting yourself, you told ac that writers don't count.
Originally posted by jinzinOr cyclops. each time he fires that optic blast of his he should have his head taken off.
well you just argued logan getting hit by a nuke more than once and not counting because NO MATTER HOW OFTEN PIS IS STILL PIS...spiderman wasn't as strong in his early days as opposed to his later ones and there was no real explanation for how or why he got stronger, he just sort of...did...for advancement of the plot one would assume...is that then PIS as well..
Yet he doesn't, and it's not considered SVFL for his head to remain attatched.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Ah yes the stats that are discarded when they go against your characters, like Doc Ock. . .Stats that are like a single showing in a single comic book. Those stats?
you might as well just give it up creshosk... there's no way you no more about comic books and their characters moreso than the people who.....WHO........................who......................
don't read them...... :erm:
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I think this is the fourth time now: Have you read the PIS rule? Btw I called Wolverine's nuke thing SvFL, statistical outlier. If he does it again it is still a statistical outlier. Again your analogy makes no sense.
Jinzin said himself that class 60 and up should ko wolverine in ONE HIT!!
So why is he contradicting himself, like creshosk?
Originally posted by jinzin
you might as well just give it up creshosk... there's no way you no more about comic books and their characters moreso than the people who.....WHO........................who......................don't read them...... :erm:
Wolverine fanboy tactic, "WE ARE LOSING THE DEBATE SO EVERYONE HATES WOLVERINE AND DOESN'T READ HIM!!"
cry me a river...
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterAnd? the half a dozen plus ninjas he fights all have real I, and are trained to fight faster than Doc' arms can move. Remember the stat that places each are moving less than the pitch of a baseball?
Um, I didn't discard anything with wolverine vs ock, I actually remember OWNING you, because each of the arms have ai.
Oh yeah, "Doc Oc hits spidderman all the time" even though its pis for spiderman to be hit by something moving slower than a baseball.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterAnd?
Its a handguide.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterAnd that's what I'm telling you now.
You are contradicting yourself, you told ac that writers don't count.
Oh for god's sakes I'll just post the bloody PIS rule.
No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.
No SvFL
Spiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities. For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.
How does Cyclops beam fall under either of those categories?
Originally posted by Creshosk
And? the half a dozen plus ninjas he fights all have real I, and are trained to fight faster than Doc' arms can move. Remember the stat that places each are moving less than the pitch of a baseball?Oh yeah, "Doc Oc hits spidderman all the time" even though its pis for spiderman to be hit by something moving slower than a baseball.
And?
And that's what I'm telling you now.
I didn't use the spiderman example, I actually left it out.
YOu of course couldn't say how he won, so you are once again being a hypocrite.
Everyone admitted he lost, you were just to arrogant to get it at the end, so guess what you did?
WHINED ABOUT THE RULES, LIKE AC DID!!!!
You are telling me writers don't count, but you keep piling on examples.
Originally posted by jinzinAh I see now the rules have changed and are simplistic because you no longer believe they favour you? How ACish.
oh we have..but this discussion has evolved passed the simplistic concepts of those rules..they did the moment you started bringing up something being pis as something being outside of logan's capabalities to do...
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Every damned discussion always has to be about wolverine, they are always WHINING that everyone hates him, and underrates him.Ironic isn't it?
its out of hand...
Originally posted by Creshosk
Or cyclops. each time he fires that optic blast of his he should have his head taken off.Yet he doesn't, and it's not considered SVFL for his head to remain attatched.
erm, no.... his body absorbs the energy and force of the blast... whether its hitting him or coming from him...
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.
Gee, if it happens frequently enough it's not SVFL is it?
What happens quite frequently?
Wolverine taking hulk punches.
Looks like Wolverine taking Hulk punches is credible due to the rules. Since it happens frequently.
Originally posted by CreshoskYou mean Hulk PIS when we consider all the other things Hulk does?
Gee, if it happens frequently enough it's not SVFL is it?What happens quite frequently?
Wolverine taking hulk punches.
Looks like Wolverine taking Hulk punches is credible due to the rules. Since it happens frequently.
"seriously? I actually think anyone like in class 60 and above with decent skill and experience..... namor, thing, herc, thor, and hulk can do it....it's just a matter of beating the odds...they CAN do it but in an IN FIGHT scenario it's simply not likely because they would be focused on not being scewered which would take away from the confidence in attempting such a technique...being in a defensive scenario really limits your offensive options...for instance...I can take anyone down in a wrestling match...guys who have much more skill and experience than I don't use moves that are effective against most wrestlers because to make an offensive move leaves oneself open to attack...thus they limit their offensive options because they run the risk of getting taken down if they try to initiate an offensive strategy...I'm not sure if that makes sense...but anywho....
in an IN fight scenario..who knows...
if wolvie was just going to stand there and take it..I believe any one of these guys and people at their level have a good shot at it.."
Why is jinzin here?