Ah yes, this proves what I've been saying all along, you agree with me, but since its wolverine...
As you can clearly see you contradicted yourself with alpha, on this page, which shows that you aren't worth discussing this with, because its only for wolverine. At least be consistant (there's that key word again, in what you believe.
Goodbye mr. "writers dont' count"
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Originally posted by Tha C-MasterExcept you've still never answered why this is important.
Conclusion, you think wolverine is consistant, so I have little else to say to you about him.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterSo Wolverine only takes these hits because it's good for the book?
Good for the book is what the people want, alas this is a discussion, and peoples wants have changed over the years.
It used to be quality, but now, no.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterSure, just write the story that best suits this then. . . Like find a way to kill him off for each major saga.
Looking good, flash goes around and never gets hit, is that interesting?
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterThis is moot as I've already pointed out the difference between Personality and ability.
Expecting his teammate to hit him an a fight between the two, you can do better than that...
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterThen why are you tagenting then complaining about it?
"Because of the bonding process that we don't understand."MY question, which took forever to get out of you, because you wanted to tangent.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterWe've covered this already.
Wolverine isn't bonded to be unable to remove his joints, or else he wouldn't be able to move them.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterWhat does?
It can be done, but it needs work.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterMy story has been consistant. A single writers take on it should not outwiegh the majority of the feats.
Ah yes, this proves what I've been saying all along, you agree with me, but since its wolverine...As you can clearly see you contradicted yourself with alpha, on this page, which shows that you aren't worth discussing this with, because its only for wolverine. At least be consistant (there's that key word again, in what you believe.
Goodbye mr. "writers dont' count"
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Multiple writers have the same thing happening. Writers don't count.
Now I remember why I put your ass on ignore, the same reason I put AC on ignore, because both of you are full of yourselves.
Originally posted by Creshosk
My story has been consistant. A single writers take on it should not outwiegh the majority of the feats.Multiple writers have the same thing happening. Writers don't count.
Now I remember why I put your ass on ignore, the same reason I put AC on ignore, because both of you are full of yourselves.
Denial is an ugly thing, it was only for the wolverine threads.
You and AC are so alike its not funny, you spend more time arguing everything BUT the topic.
Too bad I asked you why and not when...
Marked by solidness and firmness in action, coherent.
Harmony, not contradicting oneself, etc.
Which means it has to be right on ALOT. not 10% of the time, 20%, 30%, 40%, 50%, 60%, or 70%, its not consistant.
If I were to say that everyday I will get up and wash dishes, but I do them 4 times that week, despite it being the majority, its inconsistant.
Wolverine doesn't perform within his peak human stats even a majority of the time, he may hang, which he should, but thats not my point.
I did however define, so don't spend so much time on the wolverine part please...
Originally posted by CreshoskWell, yes. Think of it as a wrestling match so that is true, but thats not my point.
So Wolverine only takes these hits because it's good for the book?
Stop taking what I say out of context, it makes people want to call you stupid, and I know you aren't.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Sure, just write the story that best suits this then. . . Like find a way to kill him off for each major saga.
Like why his comics don't last three panels, see?
Originally posted by Creshosk
This is moot as I've already pointed out the difference between Personality and ability.
No you haven't I did.
You said hulk (savage) doesn't hold back, I told you why that was illogical to assume he was hitting them his hardest.
Flash defeatingsomeone isn't out of character, killing yes.
Make a batman vs flash thread, and flash will win, without losing character, because logic takes in.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Then why are you tagenting then complaining about it?
pot to the kettle, cute.
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I should've just kept on 'arguing' with Wickerman and gotten Wolverine banned. 😈
Originally posted by Tron🙁 It must make Tron sad that no one takes the time to read his rules.
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.
Originally posted by TronNow there are several Wolverine feats that could be considered SvFL statistical outliers. Apparently he jumped 50 ft once 🤨? Or for example to my knowledge (although correct me if I'm wrong), he has never cut Colossus, he has cut Ben Grimm once, and he has cut Hulk in a What if? which isn't cannon? His strength should really be insufficient to do so. (Oh and Cresh I'd really like to see you cut through a solid aluminium block with a kitchen knife 😂 )
Spiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities.
It doesn't matter anyway because Colossus is made of rage, and no known substance in the Marvel universe can cut through rage. 😄
Originally posted by Wickerman
I don't know about that, but i've seen/read/spoken to jinzin and merc plenty of times, long enough to know they would never, no matter how biased or whatever they are, make a statement like "Sabertooth has adamantium, he wins". They may try to bend the truth, bla bla bla, but at least they do it intricately. 😉~wickerman~
bend the truth? 🤨
meh.
sabretooth has admantium, he wins. 😉
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I should've just kept on 'arguing' with Wickerman and gotten Wolverine banned. 😈
🙁 It must make Tron sad that no one takes the time to read his rules.
PIS is for the character that has their abilities lowered in order to make the opponent character a challenge or to advance the story etc.
[b]Hulk suffers from PIS whenever someone like Cap breaks his grip or when he punches Wolverine and Wolverine just springs back up.
Planet pulling Superman suffers PIS if he punches Batman and doesn't kill him.
Now there are several Wolverine feats that could be considered SvFL statistical outliers. Apparently he jumped 50 ft once 🤨? Or for example to my knowledge (although correct me if I'm wrong), he has never cut Colossus, he has cut Ben Grimm once, and he has cut Hulk in a What if? which isn't cannon? His strength should really be insufficient to do so. (Oh and Cresh I'd really like to see you cut through a solid aluminium block with a kitchen knife 😂 )It doesn't matter anyway because Colossus is made of rage, and no known substance in the Marvel universe can cut through rage. 😄 [/B]
first off wolverine has cut hulk, savage, professor, grey or otherwise... multiple times...how this is even up for debate in your opinion is beyond me.
second, if wolverine consistently (that's more often than not) gets hit by class 75 and up punches and just "springs back up" consistently than why can you not accept this has part of his character instead of simply discarding it as PIS?
third, I've personally never seen wolverine cut big C either, but like I said, the only time in 616 that I've seen him try it (and he did it casually mind you) colossus wanted no part of it.
fourth, wolverine's never jumped 50 feet..that's somewhat of an exaggeration. wolverine has however jumped upwards of 25 to 30 feet, and he's done it more than once, last time we went over this at least 5 different examples of him doing so were presented....and of course discarded...however I fail to see why this would be so hard to accept... comic book HUMANS do it all the time, shang chi's done it, iron fist has done it, daredevil did it, elektra did it....hell, even friggin HAND NINJAS have done so in the past, are people seriously about to argue that wolverine is physically less dominating than a hand ninja? 🤨
.....I seriously hope not. 🙄
The PIS thing has nothing to do with whether Wolverine consistently does anything - it isn't Wolverine's PIS, it is Hulk's, Colossus', Thing's, Superman's PIS if they hit someone with all their strength and the person isn't dead or at the very least knocked out.
I can't remember exactly when that Wolverine/Colossus thing happened - but I'm assuming he was still a teenager. You're a teenaged Colossus, an angry hairy Canadian man threatens you with claws you've seen cut through enemies. Even if he can't cut through you, you're not going to want him to try.
One should note that old teenaged Colossus and the new "made of rage" adult Colossus are two different things.
5 times jumping 25 ft with no more than enhanced human strength with a heavy adamantium skeleton, over an entire career is a statistical outlier.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The PIS thing has nothing to do with whether Wolverine consistently does anything - it isn't Wolverine's PIS, it is Hulk's, Colossus', Thing's, Superman's PIS if they hit someone with all their strength and the person isn't dead or at the very least knocked out.I can't remember exactly when that Wolverine/Colossus thing happened - but I'm assuming he was still a teenager. You're a teenaged Colossus, an angry hairy Canadian man threatens you with claws you've seen cut through enemies. Even if he can't cut through you, you're not going to want him to try.
One should note that old teenaged Colossus and the new "made of rage" adult Colossus are two different things.5 times jumping 25 ft with no more than enhanced human strength with a heavy adamantium skeleton, over an entire career is a statistical outlier.
if it's part of wolverine's character not to get KOed by such blows than it's not really pis on hulks, things, etc behalf.
I get what you're saying about the colussus thing, but you said he's never cut through colussus as if he's actually tried, it's the manner in which you wrote it that I didn't agree with, as (like I said) the only time wolverine tried colussus dind't want none..so unless you have other proof in the 616 universe that's the closest think we've got for a comparison that I'm aware of.
wolverine only weighs about 300 pounds, even less going by other stats, and he has enhanced strength beyond peak human levels (which comparitavely for his size and weight is pretty impressive) and like I said if this is something he's proven to be able to do on numerous occasions, and people of equal and usually far less physical status can do it, why can wolverine not?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The PIS thing has nothing to do with whether Wolverine consistently does anything - it isn't Wolverine's PIS, it is Hulk's, Colossus', Thing's, Superman's PIS if they hit someone with all their strength and the person isn't dead or at the very least knocked out.I can't remember exactly when that Wolverine/Colossus thing happened - but I'm assuming he was still a teenager. You're a teenaged Colossus, an angry hairy Canadian man threatens you with claws you've seen cut through enemies. Even if he can't cut through you, you're not going to want him to try.
One should note that old teenaged Colossus and the new "made of rage" adult Colossus are two different things.5 times jumping 25 ft with no more than enhanced human strength with a heavy adamantium skeleton, over an entire career is a statistical outlier.
^LOL!
is it too hard to give logan an itsy-bitsy bit of credit?
Read the PIS rule carefully. It is PIS on Hulk's part if he hits Wolverine and Wolverine is not knocked out/killed.
Conjecture isn't positive proof. You're filibustering this when to most everyone else it's quite simple that Colossus would win more often than not.
Numerous is hyperbole. It is a statistical outlier.
I'm probably going ot regret jumping in but oh well...
just how many times does a character have to do something before it is no longer just PIS? Wolverines first comic book fight was agianst the Hulk, since then he has faced dozens of heavy hitters and his reseilince has never flagged.
To me, Wolverine has taken so many punishing hits from so many big hitters that its PIS when he gets K.O ed by any normal human (such as Mr. X) or anyone not as stong as Thing/Hulk.
Before anyone ever liked him he has been fighting the big guys its like people being pissed that Superman is faster than a speeding bullet.
Originally posted by WarmongerThat's something I was thinking. And that is what I think.
I'm probably going ot regret jumping in but oh well...just how many times does a character have to do something before it is no longer just PIS? Wolverines first comic book fight was agianst the Hulk, since then he has faced dozens of heavy hitters and his reseilince has never flagged.
To me, Wolverine has taken so many punishing hits from so many big hitters that its PIS when he gets K.O ed by any normal human (such as Mr. X) or anyone not as stong as Thing/Hulk.
Before anyone ever liked him he has been fighting the big guys its like people being pissed that Superman is faster than a speeding bullet.
Originally posted by Warmonger
I'm probably going ot regret jumping in but oh well...just how many times does a character have to do something before it is no longer just PIS? Wolverines first comic book fight was agianst the Hulk, since then he has faced dozens of heavy hitters and his reseilince has never flagged.
To me, Wolverine has taken so many punishing hits from so many big hitters that its PIS when he gets K.O ed by any normal human (such as Mr. X) or anyone not as stong as Thing/Hulk.
Before anyone ever liked him he has been fighting the big guys its like people being pissed that Superman is faster than a speeding bullet.
^... they cant have that.
to them wolverine is nothing special.
Originally posted by Warmonger
I'm probably going ot regret jumping in but oh well...just how many times does a character have to do something before it is no longer just PIS? Wolverines first comic book fight was agianst the Hulk, since then he has faced dozens of heavy hitters and his reseilince has never flagged.
To me, Wolverine has taken so many punishing hits from so many big hitters that its PIS when he gets K.O ed by any normal human (such as Mr. X) or anyone not as stong as Thing/Hulk.
Before anyone ever liked him he has been fighting the big guys its like people being pissed that Superman is faster than a speeding bullet.
don't worry man you got me and cresh backing you up here...lol.