Originally posted by Onikirimaru
After reading all the "Hulk PIS vs Wolvie PIS" and remembering PIS is lowering of abilites, it makes perfect sense that Hulk vs Wolvie is Hulk PIS. Think how strong the hulk hits. He does crazy mess like blow craters in the earth and stuff like that, breaking Onslaughts armor, smacking asteroids etc etc. Him landing a punch would be so strong, it would be more than enough to instantly kill a human, just the trauma of impact alone. Like a 18 wheeler, with a fist out front to focus the pressure, hitting you goin 100 miles an hour. A human would instantly die, just like Wolverine. His neck would snap or be ripped off, his brain disjointed from the cord, the trauma would just be too immense. So Hulk's damage is lowered. Thats PIS.
A quite interesting analysis, i have to admit.
But you have to consider that we are talking about comic books, written by some authors who have certain images about their used characters in mind.
Apart from the fact that it's THEIR fault when Wolvie survives blows he shouldn't, what do you think the authors would do when writing such a story?
Will they power down the character whose absolutely most significant feat is sheer power or will they exaggerate the abilities of his opponent, whose main power is a defensive one that makes him more durable and who is one of the most famous heroes of Marvel?
Btw...when we take into account everything we know about Colossus and Sabretooth AND real world physics, Colossus HAS to win. But since it's a comic, written by positively or negatively biased authors with drama but NO physics knowledge in mind... 😒
Originally posted by wannabeSo are you agreeing that it's Hulk PIS or not? 😕
A quite interesting analysis, i have to admit.
But you have to consider that we are talking about comic books, written by some authors who have certain images about their used characters in mind.
Apart from the fact that it's THEIR fault when Wolvie survives blows he shouldn't, what do you think the authors would do when writing such a story?
Will they power down the character whose absolutely most significant feat is sheer power or will they exaggerate the abilities of his opponent, whose main power is a defensive one that makes him more durable and who is one of the most famous heroes of Marvel?
Btw...when we take into account everything we know about Colossus and Sabretooth AND real world physics, Colossus HAS to win. But since it's a comic, written by positively or negatively biased authors with drama but NO physics knowledge in mind... 😒
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[QUOTE=4920923]Originally posted by wannabe
[B]A quite interesting analysis, i have to admit.
But you have to consider that we are talking about comic books, written by some authors who have certain images about their used characters in mind.
Apart from the fact that it's THEIR fault when Wolvie survives blows he shouldn't, what do you think the authors would do when writing such a story?
Will they power down the character whose absolutely most significant feat is sheer power or will they exaggerate the abilities of his opponent, whose main power is a defensive one that makes him more durable and who is one of the most famous heroes of Marvel?
Btw...when we take into account everything we know about Colossus and Sabretooth AND real world physics, Colossus HAS to win. But since it's a comic, written by positively or negatively biased authors with drama but NO physics knowledge in mind... 😒
I just tried to imply that it's doubtful that Hulk is powered down rather then Wolvie powered up.
AND that taking events from a written comic to prove something on a thread like this is...well...not without flaw...thanks to the writers. Your last comment supports that.
Sorry when my hints and implications are too subtle to be instantly understood, from time to time. 😕
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So are you agreeing that it's Hulk PIS or not? 😕
[B][QUOTE=4920923]Originally posted by wannabe
[B]A quite interesting analysis, i have to admit.
But you have to consider that we are talking about comic books, written by some authors who have certain images about their used characters in mind.
Apart from the fact that it's THEIR fault when Wolvie survives blows he shouldn't, what do you think the authors would do when writing such a story?
Will they power down the character whose absolutely most significant feat is sheer power or will they exaggerate the abilities of his opponent, whose main power is a defensive one that makes him more durable and who is one of the most famous heroes of Marvel?
Btw...when we take into account everything we know about Colossus and Sabretooth AND real world physics, Colossus HAS to win. But since it's a comic, written by positively or negatively biased authors with drama but NO physics knowledge in mind... 😒
I was under the assumption that the Versus Forum was designed to discuss/debate who would most likely win in a fight scenario between two (or more) characters - not to discuss how writers may or may not plot out a fight between said characters.
In other words who would most likely win or who would win more often than not - not who could win on the whim of a writer. Any character can win on the whim of writers. [/B][/QUOTE]
I thought it would be clear that i think Colossus will win.
I just tried to imply that it's doubtful that Hulk is powered down rather then Wolvie powered up.
AND that taking events from a written comic to prove something on a thread like this is...well...not without flaw...thanks to the writers. Your last comment supports that.
Sorry when my hints and implications are too subtle to be instantly understood, from time to time. 😕
What's funny is how often wolverine takes the hard hits, now suddenly its PIS whenever he does it, because its the OTHER guys PIS. . .
To me its like saying these guys all break trees just by punching through them and suddenly its PIS when they can't punch through rock.
Wolverine's been taking these hits all of his carrer, how is it PIS when someone fails to knock him out? Even if you call it the other person's PIS, you're still basically saying that the majority of Wolverines caraer in this matter is PIS. . .
You guiys can'[t seem to accept him for the way he is, but only want to see him powered down. So you guys seem to like Wolverine's PIS.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Wolverine is quite durable. He did after all take a full force hit from Colossus at the begining of his protagonist carrer. . .
Like i already said...when we take into account everything we know about Colossus and Sabretooth(Wolverine) AND real world physics, COLOSSUS HAS TO WIN. But since it's a comic, written by positively or negatively biased authors with drama but NO physics knowledge in mind...
Using events from a written comic to prove something on a thread like this is...well...not without flaw...thanks to the mentioned facts.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotYou're trying to override comics physics with real world physics again. . . Don't do that.
Colossus punches through all sorts of crap and yet can't KO Wolverine.
You're confusing durability with regenerative ability, unless you're referring to the adamantium lacing his skull which wouldn't offer any additional protection from concussive forces.
All we know is that he takes these punches, more often than not. instead of trying to brush off a majority of his carerr as illogical, you might wanna try using some real logic first and not override an existing bit of information with another source.
His Regenerative ability might be counted as part of his durability, especially if it helps him last through a fight, and if it helps him take the hits.
One thing you have to wonder is if an area is healed, after it takeas the damage, but before pain can be reported, would the pain be reported at all? or would it be reporting a healed area as being damaged.
This seems quite akin to me of going around talking about how illogical the hulk is because of his gamma radiation induced powers, because "that's not the way it works in the real world", or talking about how cyclop's optic beams should take Cyclops's head off because his regular human muscles shouldn't beable to take the kick that his optic blasts should be giving off due to the third law of motion.
Why is it that only wolverine ever seems to be the subject of being bound by science? (Except for when Superman is fighting Goku)
Why is Wolverine a special exception that requires that he be bound to real world science when all the other characters are bound to comic book science? Why is that? Can you tell me?
Originally posted by wannabeSeeing as how he does the majority of the time, I think that overrides your opinion of what he should be able to take, don't you think?
Doesn't change the fact that he, considering his mutant abilities, shouldn't be able to do so!!!
Why is he the only one that's bound to real world science?
Originally posted by wannabeFunny how they were exagerating his abilites before he had a profile written for him then huh?
If they wanted him to be as durable as he is usually written, they should have given him different powers in the first place. Now they have to exaggerate his abilities continously to keep his profile the way it is.
Originally posted by wannabeReal world physics that over ride comic book physics only when it's wolverine you mean.
Like i already said...when we take into account everything we know about Colossus and Sabretooth(Wolverine) AND real world physics,
Originally posted by wannabeOr working off of past events. . .
COLOSSUS HAS TO WIN. But since it's a comic, written by positively or negatively biased authors with drama but NO physics knowledge in mind...
Originally posted by wannabeOverriding what's established in the comics with real world science is illogical. Why are you one sidedly overriding one side but not the other? Why only certain characters?
Using events from a written comic to prove something on a thread like this is...well...not without flaw...thanks to the mentioned facts.
You're not attempting to use real world science to fill in the missing gaps, you're attempting to use real world science to override what is already there. But only for certain characters. Why is this?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotI'm saying it might prevent the damage from registering to the brain in the first place, not that it prevents the damage in the first place.
Wolverine has a healing factor i.e. heals faster than normal from injury.
Take initial concussive force, heal from it. Not lessen initial concussive force.
It's not actually metahuman durability. Unless you're saying the healing factor prevents him from taking initial damage whatsoever.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What do you mean register in the brain? If he is hit in the head with concussive force pain nerve impulses would travel from cutaneous receptors to the brain. There are no "damage receptors" - if damage is done it's done. The brain itself doesn't feel pain.
Pain and damage aren't the same thing.
I know pain and damage aren't the same thing. That's what I'm saying.
If damage is healed before the brain is made aware of it "via the pain signal" will that damage still be reported?
Pain is a signal that is reporting that something is wrong. If someone is scratched or burned one of the ways they are made aware of it is because it hurts.
Originally posted by CreshoskSo then Batman from now on beats everyone.
You're trying to override comics physics with real world physics again. . . Don't do that.All we know is that he takes these punches, more often than not. instead of trying to brush off a majority of his carerr as illogical, you might wanna try using some real logic first and not override an existing bit of information with another source.
His Regenerative ability might be counted as part of his durability, especially if it helps him last through a fight, and if it helps him take the hits.
One thing you have to wonder is if an area is healed, after it takeas the damage, but before pain can be reported, would the pain be reported at all? or would it be reporting a healed area as being damaged.
This seems quite akin to me of going around talking about how illogical the hulk is because of his gamma radiation induced powers, because "that's not the way it works in the real world", or talking about how cyclop's optic beams should take Cyclops's head off because his regular human muscles shouldn't beable to take the kick that his optic blasts should be giving off due to the third law of motion.
Why is it that only wolverine ever seems to be the subject of being bound by science? (Except for when Superman is fighting Goku)
Why is Wolverine a special exception that requires that he be bound to real world science when all the other characters are bound to comic book science? Why is that? Can you tell me?