Think of it like this. jedi are going to be super speeding towards ragnos, force pushing ragnos, throwing rubble at ragnos attempting to duel with ragnos and a hell of a lot more than that. there are ten thousand jedi in the temple. only about 15 of those jedi will be killed by the droids. About 50 jedi would be able to attack ragnos at a time whether using sabers of the force. Do you really think ragnos will be able to deal with all of that. No he wont.
that is what i said earlier fishy answer back to that
Originally posted by birthoftheforce
Fishy you said "Dude he ruled the best of the best for 150 years unchallenged... He ruled the most poewrful the universe has ever seen unchallenged if that doesn't say enough I do not know what will." how do you know he ruled the best of the best. How do you know he wasn,t unchallenged and how do you know the universe was the powerfulat that time. its all just poor assumptions
Uhm.. because it was mentioned explicitly in narration that it was the "Golden Age of the Sith"? Because they mentioned Naga Sadow as a "godlike" character? And because they said Marka Ragnos was the most powerful of the most powerful (Naga Sadow included)? Enough for you?
They said Tulak Hord is the best with a lightsaber, not best duelist ever this side of Timbuktu. You don't know your facts, get it straight.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
You guys argue about how bad the Jedi are, but then whenever someone says Ragnos is bad you say they are picking at straws.
No, Glentract. YOU GUYS pick at straws. Or correctly put, grab at them. You're searching for the ideal scenario where the jedi temple will repel Ragnos and his elite assassin droids. It's really ridiculous. Here's the basis for all of your pro-jedi order arguments:
- Ragnos can't be much more powerful than the PT Jedi.
- The numbers will overwhelm him, despite the geography of the location.
- Hk droids are the same as weak TF droids.
- Mace is a Jedi Tulak Hord and Yoda is a saber god.
- A sith sword must be slow.
- Ragnos can't be the best of all time, cuz I don't want to believe in it.
- The jedi work perfectly as a team and have the combined Force power to overcome sixty to seventy HKs and a Sith lord that makes Sadow and Kressh his *****.
Did I forget any points, Glentract? See how stupid that all sounds? How much it looks like you don't have a case for your side?
Originally posted by Dark Nemesis
When have they ever shown that ability? Under the circumstances, how could they? No, this doesn't ring of truth; it's reshaping the evidence to support your cause.
You really want to tell me that a Jedi can't escape a part of a building collapsing meaning: Keeping stuff in the air that is falling down on them ? Now you take a "huge" group of Jedi and want to tell me that they can't prevent parts of a building from collapsing by using the force or at least keep them in the air until they have passed the threatened area or (to make it more easily) to use force speed and get away before something hits them ?
If Yoda can lift starfighters and that big metal thing that Dooku threw on Anakin and Obi-Wan and AotC than a huge group of Jedi (20 ? 30 ? 100 ?) should be able to keep the parts of a collapsing room in the air or at least use force speed to get out of there (I guess if TPM Obi-Wan is able to do that other Padawans should be able to do that too - not to mention Knights and Masters).
Yes, Vodo survived Exar Kun's freeze spell and died very quickly in melee combat. Ragnos is MUCH stronger than Exar Kun. If we compare him to Kun and just make him exponentially better, he could probably freeze the entire jedi order and kill those who resisted it in melee combat or with the Force. His power is immense. Don't drag him down to other peoples' levels to win an argument. Mace and Yoda, though the most considerable jedi here, aren't gonna last very long against him. Yoda was slightly better than Sidious, and Ragnos would eat up Sidious and spit him out.
If this would be a battle of force powers they won't last very long but they still have a chance to move into melee combat and in this case Ragnos is screwed because he can't fight them in a duel. See below for detail.
This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard from you, Nai.Oho! So now Yoda alone can take the greatest Sith lord of all time? What have you been smoking? This is ridiculous. Nai, you are out of your mind here.
And again: In melee combat...yes. Ragnos is using a Sith Sword. That's 10 or 20 pounds of metal that he has to wield against a weapon that actually doesn't have any weight. So there is no way for Ragnos to parry lightsaber attacks at least not when you have Yoda attacking him and thereby he would get killed.
I already said that he might be able to destroy the entire Council before they can get to him but IF Mace or Yoda is going to enter melee combat he's getting killed because he simply can't defend himself against somebody who is that fast with a lightsaber because you simply cannot swing a normal sword around as fast as Mace or Yoda would do with a lightsaber. Give him a lightsaber and training with that and he might waste Yoda and Mace but NOT with a Sith sword in his hands.
Ragnos isn't that far above Yoda. He will beat him, but not by a huge amount. It will be about the same as Dooku vs. Obi-wan IMO. If you throw in Obi-wan, Anakin, Plo Koon, Depa Bilaba, Sora Bulq, he will lose.
For the droids. If, like you say, the droids will do most of the killing, then in is unreasonable to say that the Jedi won't sense this and attack them. Mace alonce could take them, but it would likly take at least five minutes. He could lose to the droids, but its unlikly. To cement his victory, through in Luminara and Barriss. Together, they will kill the droids in five minutes tops.
If you don't believe me that Mace could kill these droids, then watch clone wars. He kills several hundred super battle droids.
In this battle, Mace will be the pivot point. If he manages to kill all the droids, then the Jedi win, with maybe a tenth of the Order dying. If one of the droids gets lucky and kills Mace, then the Jedi will probably lose closer to half of the Order because he is the powerhouse for killing the droids. Luminara and Barriss could take the droids without Mace if they had some help from others such as Shaak Ti ect.
Originally posted by birthoftheforceYa know the whole "ruled for 150 years over the Sith Empire that was greater in comparison to the Jedi of the Late Old Republic" thing?
Then how do YOU know he IS the best? It's all a big What If
The belief in his superiority is well founded, but the belief that he isn't that good, IS not.
Think of it like this. jedi are going to be super speeding towards ragnos, force pushing ragnos, throwing rubble at ragnos attempting to duel with ragnos and a hell of a lot more than that. there are ten thousand jedi in the temple. only about 15 of those jedi will be killed by the droids. About 50 jedi would be able to attack ragnos at a time whether using sabers of the force. Do you really think ragnos will be able to deal with all of that. No he wont.
you still havent answered to that nemesis or tangerine god or fishy.