Originally posted by Autokrat
Hmm I've been at KMC for five years now. Five years wasting time in this forum.I'm 20 and I'm still wasting time here. I think I need to start some kind of club on campus.
Or possibly start hitting the gym as well as parties and other social gatherings? Why do you feel the need to start a real life KMC?
Originally posted by Autokrat
Hmm I've been at KMC for five years now. Five years wasting time in this forum.I'm 20 and I'm still wasting time here. I think I need to start some kind of club on campus.
Nah man, it's all good. I don't think this has all been a total waste of time. Making huge super-posts definitely has helped me write essays for school. Just like AIM taught me how to type correctly.
Originally posted by Gideon
Some people are content to be alone, DS. As someone who's had the best of both worlds, I can tell you from experience that socializing can have just as many problems attached to it (if not more) than being isolated.
I would suggest you defer to someone who was in your shoes, and who is what, 8 years older than you? I have experienced both and I prefer to be alone as well. However, that is a character flaw that I recognize and try to improve. I enjoy being the life of the party but I much more enjoy being alone. It's not a healthy habit and it's not a good thing, ESPECIALLY if you go to out of state college, because you are NOT going for the education. IF you were going for the education, then live at home and go to a commuter school. People attend real colleges for the social experience. As someone who was once a headcase(thank you neuro feedback), I can tell you that one develops more psychological problems the less social and the more isolated he is.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Nah man, it's all good. I don't think this has all been a total waste of time. Making huge super-posts definitely has helped me write essays for school. Just like AIM taught me how to type correctly.
I almost feel the opposite way. I feel like after all of those epicly long debates, I've almost grown so tired of it that I've sort of become more averse to writing large amounts than I was before. Though I did sort of take it to a new extreme so that could be why.
There is absolutely no doubt that this forum has given me a look into logical analysis/deduction that I could have only dreamed of in a classroom setting, and drastically improved my LSAT score from my original diagnostic. However, this is something I would do in addition to leading a quality social life and if I was still in college, I would frequent this forum rarely but enough to gain valuable information in my hobby(star wars), and an improvement in various forms of logic.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Or possibly start hitting the gym as well as parties and other social gatherings? Why do you feel the need to start a real life KMC?
Social interaction is useless for me if its not focused around a subject I am interested in. Listening to people talk about their lives or other nonsense they somehow expecte me to comment upon, is simply annoying. Plus, most of the parties on campus here involve people getting drunk or stoned and the only thing that's good for is watching people make idiots of themselves.
See, I can interact with people, but I have a very narrow area of tolerance.
DS
I would suggest you defer to someone who was in your shoes, and who is what, 8 years older than you?
You understand the epistemological problems that come from someone such as yourself lecturing another person on the merits of non-computer based socialization and the pitfalls of isolation? Look at it through Vene's eyes: your suggestions aren't exactly overwhelming; where is the evidence of your immense popularity? Where are the chicks that hang off you, left and right? From an outsider's perspective, there's nothing that you've demonstrated that shows that you are an arbiter of right and wrong, popular or non-popular.
Which is probably why he's not that interested in talking to you about it.
Nebaris
I almost feel the opposite way. I feel like after all of those epicly long debates, I've almost grown so tired of it that I've sort of become more averse to writing large amounts than I was before. Though I did sort of take it to a new extreme so that could be why.
I've had a twofold similar experience:
1. As I've explained to DS via messenger, arguing ad infinitum has made me less keen on such bullshit in the real world. Which is why I've drastically cut back over the past two years. I'll need that fire if I'm going to be a lawyer.
2. Discussing the applications of logic has, if anything, diminished my talent for creativity.
Originally posted by Autokrat
Social interaction is useless for me if its not focused around a subject I am interested in. Listening to people talk about their lives or other nonsense they somehow expecte me to comment upon, is simply annoying. Plus, most of the parties on campus here involve people getting drunk or stoned and the only thing that's good for is watching people make idiots of themselves.
This is a very "holier than thou" attitude that I have definitely seen in pseudo intellectuals and philosophy majors(NOT AN INSULT TO YOU). That is one way of looking it and that's how I looked at it when I began my REAL college career. The other way of looking at it is that you're in a place with people your age, and you are for the first time independent. You get to make choices (good and stupid ones), that will build your character up until it becomes permanent for the rest of your life. You get to spend (however many) years doing anything and everything you could possibly want, and more importantly, putting yourself out there, doing things you never did and never thought you would.
You approach this matter from what you think is a mature and logical perspective, but it is in fact very ignorant. Only after experiencing it for a year or more could you come and tell me this, and I would just tell you, "if that's how you feel that's cool", because you at least put yourself out there. And it's VERY easy to find people you're compatible with in college, even for the most antisocial people(me entering college).
Originally posted by Gideon
You understand the epistemological problems that come from someone such as yourself lecturing another person on the merits of non-computer based socialization and the pitfalls of isolation? Look at it through Vene's eyes: your suggestions aren't exactly overwhelming; where is the evidence of your immense popularity? Where are the chicks that hang off you, left and right? From an outsider's perspective, there's nothing that you've demonstrated that shows that you are an arbiter of right and wrong, popular or non-popular.Which is probably why he's not that interested in talking to you about it.
I don't care if he's not interested in listening to someone who has been in his position years ago. It's the same thing as me not listening to my parents even though they know what's going on and I think I'm smarter than them.
Furthermore, why would I need to provide evidence of my "overwhelming popularity"? Unless of course you think I'm making shit up, there isn't an objective way to do that. I didn't say I was overwhelmingly popular. What I said was I can go to any party, be social with everybody, and start shit like a game of flip cup/beer pong, make the most noise that isn't annoying but comical, etc. Just open myself up for all of the people at the party. Where are the chicks you ask? I went from no chicks until I was 21, to maybe 10-15 in the two years I experienced at UT. That doesn't mean I'm attractive guy(although I naturally am). Girls like confidence, not antisocial behavior or arrogance. You have to find a fine line. Also, I've been in a relationship for 3 years now with a girl I met in college, who I will most likely marry in a year or so.
And finally, I'm not telling him what's right or wrong. I'm taking a perspective he's never experienced because he's never tried, because I have been in the same boat as him, and because I'm a lot older than him. So you should be asking the exact opposite, such as "why NOT try it before critisizing it"?
Indeed, it's the experience in itself that matters moreso than how good or bad it is. In the last year or so I've started College, have two ex-girl friends, a job, have had a couple of car accidents... and thus I have come to the conclusion that real life is overrated.
It's definitely worth finding out yourself though.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Indeed, it's the experience in itself that matters moreso than how good or bad it is. In the last year or so I've started College, have two ex-girl friends, a job, have had a couple of car accidents... and thus I have come to the conclusion that real life is overrated.It's definitely worth finding out yourself though.
People that don't try something have no business criticizing it. And no, I don't mean everything like drugs, prostitution, murder, etc. I mean new social activities that can help you grow, socially.
All I'm saying is that if I were in his shoes, I'd consider the source. I would ask myself, is the person who is giving me tips (in what may or may not be a condescending manner) really all that qualified to be giving them?
I'm not saying you're not, DS, but I'm just saying that I doubt he'll be receptive to such advice (particularly when it's presented in the way you've presented it) from someone who may or may not be a social leper himself.
Originally posted by Gideon
All I'm saying is that if I were in his shoes, I'd consider the source. I would ask myself, is the person who is giving me tips (in what may or may not be a condescending manner) really all that qualified to be giving them?I'm not saying you're not, DS, but I'm just saying that I doubt he'll be receptive to such advice (particularly when it's presented in the way you've presented it) from someone who may or may not be a social leper himself.
I've never really gotten the impression that a majority of people who post here are social lepers. Do we have a little free time now and then and like to spend it in an interesting way, yeah, I think so. Should Vene radically change his life because some guy in the SW versus forum told him to, of course not, but listening with an objective mindset is never a bad thing.