Lightsaber Styles speculation.

Originally posted by ResubianNushi
If you think about it, every form is a subform of Form 1, And Djem So is what Vader uses and it's subform, and you hold him in great regard so, that's contradictary to everything.

I hold Vader in great regard? Says who?

Anything is a substitute for something. Even life.... We are a substitute of our parents.

Anyone can go back far enough but when it comes down to it, there is Seven Lightsaber combat forms. Jar'Kai happens to not be in that seven. It is a sub form.

Yup! Couldn't have said it five times myself. 😐

Originally posted by Captain REX
Yup! Couldn't have said it five times myself. 😐

I hold the same position as you, being the fact i couldn't step a few paces and back and state what is extremely obvious. 🙄

Hurray! 😄

Originally posted by Captain REX
Hurray! 😄

Hmm.... I have to have ESP or something....

I do. 😐

I would use Ataru, it involves jumping too much. 😄

So, if we were to put the all forms into best dueling styles, from best to work, how would it go? I think:

Makashi
Juyo/Vaapad
Ataru
Soresu
Shien
Shii-Cho
Niman

Really depends... Now Makashi is obviously the best considering everything but why is Juyo better then lets say Soresu?

Not getting hit is going to be damn effective in a fight against a great oponent. It depends on a lot of things so we can't really say which style is better then any else for one particulair thing. Except for Makashi that was developed for dueling.

Yeah, but Juyo/Vaapad is considered to be the most unexpected form of all seven. I say Soresu would be weak to each because:

Makashi - The precision can overcome the defense.
Juyo - Extremely unexpected
Ataru - Can be overcome due to sheer strength and speed

It's better than the rest because:

Shien - Only has strength, but not the speed or enhancements of Ataru
Shii-Cho - Too basic and easy to overcome
Niman - Not built for combat at all

Can...

A great fighter with Soresu will be undefeatable, if you can anticipate moves greater then almost anybody its going to be really hard to get killed when using a form like that. Nobody is going to succeed unless of course you are even better. Fact of the matter is, its hard to guess who will win based on forms alone. Soresu is an excellent form for a patient dueller. Its going to be hard to win, but its going to be even harder to lose.

If someone with Battle Precog used Soresu, they would be invincible in saber combat.

Why is Niman considered so horrible? It's the best of the previous five forms blended, I'm confused. 😖

No, Niman wasn't the best of the forms combined, it was the basics of each. Niman was also a horrible blend, when compared to Juyo. Niman was created for people who: A. Wanted to practice Force more than saber or B. Wanted to focus on diplomacy and had no need for martial skills.

This is the order of the "seven" in which I am good in and think are the best in the SW universe. . .

1. Makashi

2. Ataru

3. Vaapad/Juyo

4. Soresu

5. Shien/Djem-So

6. Shie-Cho

7. Niman

Originally posted by Se7in
No, Niman wasn't the best of the forms combined, it was the basics of each. Niman was also a horrible blend, when compared to Juyo. Niman was created for people who: A. Wanted to practice Force more than saber or B. Wanted to focus on diplomacy and had no need for martial skills.

Your avataree practices Niman. That struck me as ironic. Sorry for the interruption.

Why do you rate Ataru above Juyo/Vaapad? I'm just wondering. But if I were to think about battle, as in war, I think the best form(s) would be:

Soresu
Juyo/Vaapad
Ataru
Shien
Shii-Cho
Makashi
Niman

Originally posted by Se7in
Why do you rate Ataru above Juyo/Vaapad? I'm just wondering. But if I were to think about battle, as in war, I think the best form(s) would be:

Soresu
Juyo/Vaapad
Ataru
Shien
Shii-Cho
Makashi
Niman

Vaapad/Juyo is extremely overrated in my opinion. . .everybody makes to much of a big deal of the style. Then there are the idiots who think anyone who uses Vaapad owns dark siders or this character sucks cause he couldn't learn "Vaapad". . .

Which is a foolish notion.

Originally posted by General Makashi
Vaapad/Juyo is extremely overrated in my opinion. . .everybody makes to much of a big deal of the style. Then there are the idiots who think anyone who uses Vaapad owns dark siders or this character sucks cause he couldn't learn "Vaapad". . .

Amen. . .Can I get a amen?

Erm, well, I get the impression that your biased towards Makashi. . . (end sarcasm)

It does get terribly annoying when people go on rants about how Vaapad annihilates darksiders, reflects Dark Side attacks, and allows the user to 'see into the Dark Side'.