Originally posted by roughrider
Vermin's strength was at Spider-Man's level, rat or not.
And comparing the abilities of two people in using a third is always quite difficult: The Imperator is more powerful then Obi, Anakin is more powerful than the Imperator but Obi defeated Anakin...you see the problem?! (just ONE example)
The majority of people will always vote for Caps because he is a first tier hero. Gets his very own comics and the writers can be pretty gracious with him. Beast is a team member and always gets second billing.
However, with that being said, I think Beast beats Caps in size, strength, agility, intelligence, endurance durability and speed.
Experience between the two is negligible.
Caps beats Beast in fighting ability, but just barely.
I'd say beast takes out caps 7 outta ten times. I think giving caps 3 fights outta ten is being gracious, but he does pullout some pretty impressive wins.
Originally posted by willRules
Ok I havent bothered reading all these posts so sorry if anything was already said before.Beast will literally rips Caps limbs off and beat him to death with them, Marvel has given beast ridiculously powerful upgrades and thats why he wins............
If you read the posts you'd see Beasts upgrades really arent that great. I say Cap wins. He's a much better fighter and has a lot more experience.
Originally posted by GalacticStormOnly according to you and a typo. "Better fighter" is a vague term and inaccurate when all things are considered aside from h2h skills.
If you read the posts you'd see Beasts upgrades really arent that great. I say Cap wins. He's a much better fighter and has a lot more experience.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Only according to you and a typo. "Better fighter" is a vague term and inaccurate when all things are considered aside from h2h skills.
Youre 100% correct. Intelligence, speed, agility, plays huge parts in fights.
Experience does count for alot however. Ther more experience, the more chances and time youve had to fight people who have speed agility intelligence over you.
I still say Beast 6/10.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Only according to you and a typo. "Better fighter" is a vague term and inaccurate when all things are considered aside from h2h skills.
You dont know that it was a typo. Considering Beasts previous strength level and his appearances in comics 2 tons seems about right. Beast for example doesnt appear as strong as spiderman even and certainly nowhere near Rogue.
Captain America is indeed a better fighter than Beast and has far more experience. Not to mention he's come across foes stronger than beast many a time and held his own. Beasts physical advantages just arent superior enough in my opinion to gain him a majority of wins.
Originally posted by roughrider
Gee...if I say BEAST WINS BEAST WINS!!! EVERY TIME!!! will you be happy then?
You seem to think this is a real lopsided fight; I disagree. It's a tough challenge for both of them.
I dont think its lopsided at all. I think it will be a close fight. People arguing for beast mistakenly believed him to be class 40 and made out that it would be a breeze. I corrected them and im saying it would be a close fight but i believe Cap would win. Especially now we're all clear that Beast can press 2 tons.
Originally posted by roughrider
Gee...if I say BEAST WINS BEAST WINS!!! EVERY TIME!!! will you be happy then?
You seem to think this is a real lopsided fight; I disagree. It's a tough challenge for both of them.
But some people here think this is a lop sided fight and thats why they keep sayin Beast wins all the time............... 😛
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If you read the posts you'd see Beasts upgrades really arent that great. I say Cap wins. He's a much better fighter and has a lot more experience.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I dont think its lopsided at all. I think it will be a close fight. People arguing for beast mistakenly believed him to be class 40 and made out that it would be a breeze. I corrected them and im saying it would be a close fight but i believe Cap would win. Especially now we're all clear that Beast can press 2 tons.
Was talking to Draco69.
Originally posted by GalacticStormThat really isn't all that clear - the X-Men handbook is contradictory and the other reference also had him at a 5 strength level. You really expect people to just fall behind such a statement just because you say so? 😬 Imo he doesn't lift 40 tons. But he lifts more than two, and he's stronger than Captain America.
Especially now we're all clear that Beast can press 2 tons.
I can't believe this is even an argument.
Cap's an 80 year old geriatric in current canon material (HoM). Beast would destroy him.
Even with Cap in top form I'd take Beast. Beast's attributes are comparable to T'Challa's save his fighting skill, but with greater strength and ambidexterity through the use of his feet as hands. He basically has 4 arms, each with considerably greater strength than Cap. Getting the shield out of Cap's hands won't pose too much of a problem. Cap doesn't have an unbreakable bond with the shield, he simply grasps it in his hand. If he uses the shield in a primarily defensive posture, what's to stop Beast from simply grabbing the shield and tossing Cap around with his superior strength?
Nothing.
Whether or not Beast lifts 2 or 200 tons, the fact of the matter is Cap weighs around 230 lbs. It's a non factor, Beast is strong enough to drop him.
Don't let hero worship get in the way of logic.