Originally posted by illadelph12
I can't believe this is even an argument.Cap's an 80 year old geriatric in current canon material (HoM). Beast would destroy him.
Even with Cap in top form I'd take Beast. Beast's attributes are comparable to T'Challa's save his fighting skill, but with greater strength and ambidexterity through the use of his feet as hands. He basically has 4 arms, each with considerably greater strength than Cap. Getting the shield out of Cap's hands won't pose too much of a problem. Cap doesn't have an unbreakable bond with the shield, he simply grasps it in his hand. If he uses the shield in a primarily defensive posture, what's to stop Beast from simply grabbing the shield and tossing Cap around with his superior strength?
Nothing.
Whether or not Beast lifts 2 or 200 tons, the fact of the matter is Cap weighs around 230 lbs. It's a non factor, Beast [B]is
strong enough to drop him.Don't let hero worship get in the way of logic. [/B]
I've seen Cap overcome stronger oppostion - that's what I'm talking about. And I'm talking defensive to offensive tactics in hand-to-hand from a great acrobatic fighter; Cap's only peer in such a category is Batman. Both know how to use tactics to overcome superior strength.
Originally posted by Draco69
If Cap does use it defensively it will be kinda futile since Cap is likely not to land a single hit with Beast bouncing around the room like a rubber ball.If anyone will find a vital spot it's gonna be Beast since he's faster, has faster reactions, and is much more intelligent.
There's a difference between "book smart," and "street smart." Beast is a very intelligent scientist. That doesn't make him Miyamoto Musashi. Captain America and Beast both have ample fighting experience, but Cap is a genius at tactics and better versed in the intricacies of martial arts.
I'm going with Cap for the win, just narrowly, as long as he has the shield. Because that shield is the holy grail. Cap 6/10.
Originally posted by roughrider
I've seen Cap overcome stronger oppostion - that's what I'm talking about. And I'm talking defensive to offensive tactics in hand-to-hand from a great acrobatic fighter; Cap's only peer in such a category is Batman. Both know how to use tactics to overcome superior strength.
The problem is that Hank has BETTER offensive tactics, and is a FAR better acrobatic fighter. Tactics can only go so far.
Originally posted by Piedmon
There's a difference between "book smart," and "street smart." Beast is a very intelligent scientist. That doesn't make him Miyamoto Musashi. Captain America and Beast both have ample fighting experience, but Cap is a genius at tactics and better versed in the intricacies of martial arts.I'm going with Cap for the win, just narrowly, as long as he has the shield. Because that shield is the holy grail. Cap 6/10.
What is it with the shield? Beast sees shield. Beast takes shield. Beast uses it like a surfboard.
Originally posted by roughrider
If strength is all that matters, why is there page upon page of debate on threads like Batman vs. Spider-Man, or Spider-man vs. Wolverine? There's more to it than that."Strength isn't everything. WINNING IS!" - Hulk
Because the people arguing for Wolverine or Batman are fanboys. For god's sake when a Class 15 character with near bullet speed agility and webbing goes up against a human...Tactics go f***k itself.
Originally posted by roughriderOh... now I'm going to have to come up for a BS Comics pseudonym for Captain America...
I've seen Cap overcome stronger oppostion - that's what I'm talking about. And I'm talking defensive to offensive tactics in hand-to-hand from a great acrobatic fighter; Cap's only peer in such a category is Batman. Both know how to use tactics to overcome superior strength.
Beast is stronger, faster, smarter, more agile, has spent as much of his life training and has natural morphological weaponry that would make short work of Cap's flesh and bones. On top of that he has good durability and a healing factor. He can fling Cap around like a rag doll, bite out his jugular, slash open his stomach, break both his arms... etc etc
Originally posted by Draco69
Because the people arguing for Wolverine or Batman are fanboys. For god's sake when a Class 15 character with near bullet speed agility and webbing goes up against a human...Tactics go f***k itself.
Because battles aren't fought on paper. Like Chris Berman says: "That's...why they play the game."
After spinning and weaving around the room for minutes, Beast does a suprise spring at Cap, but Cap isn't suprised, lets him sail past, clocks him in the back of the head with the shield, fight over.
Then he kneels over him and says: "Are you all right son? Do you need some help?" 😛
Originally posted by roughrider
Because battles aren't fought on paper. Like Chris Berman says: "That's...why they play the game."After spinning and weaving around the room for minutes, Beast does a suprise spring at Cap, but Cap isn't suprised, lets him sail past, clocks him in the back of the head with the shield, fight over.
Then he kneels over him and says: "Are you all right son? Do you need some help?" 😛
You think a simple clock on the head is gonna put down the Beast. For god's sake, he's taken hits from the Juggernaut.
This is just pure fanboyism and hero worship.
Beast is STRONGER
Beast is FASTER
Beast is SMARTER
Beast is MORE AGILE
BEAST has MORE WEAPONS
Am I the only missing the pure, utter common sense?
Originally posted by roughriderFirst of all only GS and apparently you think Beast is a two tonner. Secondly the versus forum isn't about who could win through some random Cap-slanting scenario that you make up. It's who's more likely to win. Beast is more likely to win in a fight, he has more ways to win and he'd win more often than not out of ten.
When did he take hit s from Juggernaut - in his class 100 days years ago? He a 2-toner, marginal strength avantage over Steve, not as battle savvy, Steve has the SHIELD...it not as easy as you think.
Originally posted by roughriderOoooh... Cap has officially joined the cast of BS Comics. Cap has his shield has become the crux of an argument. 😂 "Cap has his shield." = "Batman has his belt." = "Wolverine has a healing factor."
Steve has the SHIELD...it not as easy as you think.
Originally posted by roughrider
When did he take hit s from Juggernaut - in his class 100 days years ago? He a 2-toner, marginal strength avantage over Steve, not as battle savvy, Steve has the SHIELD...it not as easy as you think.
Um. No. When he was a teenager. And hundreds of other times they fought... 😕
The SHIELD will be removed...with Steve's arm. Jesus Christ. It's not Crazy Clued on like Thor's Hammer.
Originally posted by Piedmon
Actually, Steve's shield is made of Vibranium. That's why he can stop blasts that have more force then a 40-ton train and not even bruise his arm--because the shield ABSORBS all that force. So Beast can knock against it all he likes, it's not going anywhere.
And being a SCIENTIST whose studied Steve's shield he KNOWS that. So he'll use his claws to either remove the hand holding the shield or the holster. Whichever is more easier for Hank.