so now that I won my battle (I think I won, I'm pretty sure that the judges said that last page, if I'm wrong please just tell me). Can I attack another planet or do I wait?
Oh and just to clarifiy this, I get the additional 500 clones from the battle that I just won, but do I get any additional troops that I had at the beginning (eg, extra Krath?)
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Yoda has the meat shield. The Clones in the fortress aren't going to be able to get a good hit because he is near the UPPER limit of a rifle's effectiveness and far out of it's effective range at aiming effectivly. The Clone armor will have a good chance of being able to stop blaster fire because the shots will be far weaker at this range.
A 'meat shield'. Meaning that you're willing to throw away the lives of hundreds of troops so that Yoda can have the several seconds of concentration necessary. Now, those spikes are rooted in bedrock. I assume you know what that means. Yoda will need to rip wooden spikes imbedded in solid stone. Now, he can surely do this, but with time; I may have been rash on my judgement earlier, when I said that he could 'easily' rip them out. I will not do so again.
Basically, your plan is to stand outside of the 'optimal' range of the blaster rifles while Yoda throws wooden spikes and Space Age fortress defenses. Hm. Well, first things first. Optimal range is the range in which a weapon is most effective, yes? In that case, standing just outside of that range means that the weapons will still be effective; just not as effective. However, when you have a crowd of several troopers essentially as an organic barrier, those shots won't need to be perfectly aimed. The entire fortress could simply fire away at random, and still kill off hundreds of your troops in a single volley. Not working.
And the shots won't be all that much weaker; I have my doubts that thousands upon thousands of them slamming into a crowd of stationary clones will prove ineffective by any means.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
The Snipers and E-web are no problem for shooting Yoda, Joruus, or my forces. It will take less than a second for Joruus to take control of them(see Thrawn Trilogy.).
Perhaps. This seems to be the only effective strategy here. Although a single well-placed shot from a clone who has a second of free will left would kill your only hope here.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Seeing as Yoda was able to cause the C-9979 Landing Craft to crash into each other from what was probably close to several miles away it seems easy to see him being able to rip apart any stone wall from a MUCH closer distance.
He may have been able to manuever the landing craft into one another, but how does this contribute to his ability of tearing apart stone walls? And if the walls are destroyed, how will his troops find cover from the storms of blaster fire surging into their ranks? How will Yoda, even?
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
The spikes will be accelerated to high speed when thrown at the fortress. They don't need to hit the troops themselves, they can damage the surface of the structure itself. Same with the stones.
Again; burden of proof. We've never seen anyone accelerate anything to such high speeds as to those that would be necessary to damage a structure of such durability. And have you ever considered the possibilities of what would happen to wood when it is hurtled at breackneck speeds towards a steel wall? It'd be shattered to pieces.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
If that doesn't settle you, then look at it this way. Yoda can simply rip the ground out that holds up the fortress. It's on a hill. He can move at least a dozen tons at a time with the force all the time safly out of the range of the enemy Clone Troopers.
You think that a hill with a peak of 100 meters weighs a dozen tons? You've got to be kidding me. The fortress itself is located at 75 meters up the hill. The hill, meaning layers of soil, various boulders and semi-large pieces of earth, and the bedrock itself. Let me put it this way. Each stone block that was used in the construction of the Great Pyramid weighed around 2.5 tons. Now, you take a durasteel fortress based and imbedded in solid stone, and say that Yoda can rip the entire thing apart? I don't think so.
Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Ok...here is my attack on Obroa Skai. I will use Kyle Katarn (+1,000 Mercenaries) and Freedon Nadd (+2,500 Beast Riders) for this mission since I will most likely not need Kavar and his troops he can stay on Onderon.[b]Kyle Katarn
Kyle was trained as an imperial soldier before becoming an imperial spy who joined the rebel forces later on. So he would know imperial military tactics that are basically the same – or better versions – the clone troopers use. So his first action here will be to give that information to the troops and Freedon Nadd.Now while easily being one of the best mercenaries and spies in the Galaxy before becoming a Jedi Knight his Jedi abilities only strengthen his natural abilities. Since he is able to use force cloak (basically making himself invisible – that technique was taught to all NJO members by Luke and can be used without much concentration and can be kept up for a nearly infinite amount of time – Luke was able to remotely render a planet and a capital starship invisible for an infinite amount of time) he will be able to move into the fortress quite easily and move around there while staying invisible.
Most likely he will be able to stealth into the generator and take it off (switch it off, destroy the controls) if you decide he isn't he will focus on taking out the defences of the front side of the fortress (the e-web canons and turbolasers). Since he was able to destroy Dark Troopers (who are considered to be ten times as powerful as normal soldiers) in direct confrontation in times when he wasn't a force user he should have no problem with taking out the teams manning the turbolasers (10 at each turbolaser as far as I got it) and destroying the turbolasers and the e-web cannons. Keep in mind that he can move and even fight while staying invisible.
Freedon Nadd and the beast riders
Since I was told that my Beast Riders can use their beasts I have 2,500 people riding on beasts that are able to fly (seen in the Tales of the Jedi comics most of them use that kinds of beasts). Those things came to Onderon from Dxun so they are able to fly through space and they have to be very fast (since they can escape the gravity of Dxun).Now just to get anything on speed let’s say they are able to move at 100 mp/h at least they would be able to move in with 60 mp/h since some birds on earth use that kind of speed as average speed even over far distances. Going by this assumptions (mind that those beasts need at least some speed to stay in the air) they will be able to fly from the end of the mountains to the outer wall of the fortress in 1 minute 3 seconds (100 mp/h) or 1 minute 48 seconds (60 mp/h) and can reach the Generator in 1 minute 36 seconds (100 mp/h) or 2 minutes 48 seconds (60 mp/h).
They will start moving when Kyle has shut down the Generator and the turbolasers + e-webs. In case Kyle wasn't able to destroy the generator (he has enough military and covert ops experience to decide that on his own so that he won't waste his life there) 1/5 of the Beast Riders will move to destroy the Generator while 40 troopers on speeders won't be able to stop them. The rest of the Beast riders will just fly over the base and shoot the troops down there or use explosives on them. This is going to be quite a massacre since the bases defences are down (no turbolasers and e-web cannons) and normal weapons don't do much to the beasts (in Tales of the Jedi it can be seen that the people of Iziz had heavy weapons installed to take that things down – same thing can be seen in KotoR 2).
Yet Nadd will use Battle Meditation in that phase of the battle. We know that Queen Amanoa (the Queen of Onderon) can use that ability and since all the Sith teachings on Onderon were left by Freedom Nadd he must have been able to use Battle Meditiation too. Thereby boosting the efficiency of my troops.
When the main fortress troops are destroyed my Mercenaries will start moving from the mountains towards the fortress. When they arrive there Nadd will take the lead and start attacking the bunker. Since Nadd on his own was able to conquer an entire planet, destroy an army of beast riders with his Sith Magic and withstand the attack of an entire army of Jedi Knights killing a large number of Jedi, he should have no problem with 100 clone troopers in the bunker having 1000 Mercenaries behind him who are aided by battle meditation. [/B]
Damn.
I think I spent more time making the fort than your team would spend destroying it.
Unless I'm missing something, I don't see much wrong with your battle plan. Beast riders do negate many of the disadvantages I had intended for you to deal with, and Kyle's experience is good. Hm. I do hate NJo cloaking powers; it's a bit ridiculous. For now, I'm thinking you have this. I'll go over it with a fine-tooth comb tonight, just double check a few things. But nice work.
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Hm. Well if we know nothing about it, we'll make an inference. However stupid.
Here:Zeltros will be a forested planet, with great canyons and vast valleys, split through by mighty rivers. Your forces will be set down on the east side of a 1000-meter deep canyon, with a rushing, rapid river flowing at the bottom. There is a rickety wooden bridge about three meters across spanning the width of the canyon. There are great clusters of boulders ranging from one meter to five in size around the ends of the bridge. The enemy troops are stationed thirty meters from the opposite side of the bridge, on top of a small plateau. There are quickly crafted, hut-like buildings at the top, somewhat primitive. 500 troopers armed each with a T-21 Repeating Scoped Rifle and hold-out blasters.
Explain.
Here you go, everything about what i'm attacking...
I have Malak with 750 Star Forge droids
And Bastila with 700 Dark Jedi...
This is your count? How the hell did Nai get a thousand troops per army? Your troops must pwn then. Hm. Anyways...
I'm not even going to send Obi Wan, because he might be good but he and his forces are going to be useless cannon food in this battle (well most really. But I don't need cannon food here) What I need is a way around the damn bridge.... But i'm obviously not going to find that and i'm going to have a hard time going across the canyon without the bridge too...
Cannon food... lol. Nice. Assuming they don't blow the bridge, your plan does involve getting across it, yes.
Now its obvious that i'm going to have to cross the bridge... The Dark Jedi however are going to die by the dozens if I make them pass, they are not Soldiers but warriors. So first things first. Bastila and her battle meditation now we all know that her battle meditation is incredibe and can influence entire battles. Yes her using battle meditation will practically make her worthless. But when you consider that the greatest military minds had a hard time defeating that even when a stupid assed general was leading the battle meditated army's then its pretty easy to see the importance. The Stormtroopers will be scared as hell when the fight will start. Now not only that but they will have a superior army in front of them. They are going to have a hard time wielding their weapons and their morale will be low, meaning that they will be more likely to route. Afterall thats what battle meditation does and Bastila is great with it.
Battle meditation generally causes confusion or lack of hope, but the fear kicks in when the troops are losing horribly. Initially, the troops are going to be fatalistic about this. It is their job, after all.
And then droids.... Now these droids are going to pass the bridge first there is no doubt about that in my mind... They will have to take the initial blow of the attack, levitating just above the bridge they are probably going to move fast. Now they were also made with Rakatan technology so they are going to be powerful. According to Malak powerful enough to destroy even some of the most powerful Jedi's. Now there is no way those guys are going to be fighting with a sword, so there fire power would have to be great. I'm guessing they can open a cross fire effectively forcing the clones to hide behind their weak walls.
So let me get this straight: You will be crossing initially using the droids. will they just cross, or cross firing, or what?
Now there weapons are going to be powerful perhaps more powerful then what the droids have, but the weapons can only fire once a minute. Now this is obviously when somebody who knows whats he's doing is using it. These troopers will know what they are doing but they are going to be scared, there attacks won't be as good as normal anymore and they will start to fail. I would not be surprised if no more then 50 droids fall down the bridge at the initial attack.
Some clarification on this part, please.
Once the droids have set up a perimiter behind the bridge (shouldn't take to long) and their fire is still shooting the Dark Jedi will move across. Keep in mind that the weak walls and houses can catch flame by what is happening now. Of course I will assume they won't because it makes it easier but the town is going to be in a very bad shape and most of the cover will probably be destroyed by the fire. So at that time the droids will move forward the Jedi walking behind them. Once the droids near the weaker wooden walls and houses and god knows what else on the small platue the droids will have to stop firing and the Jedi will go in to finish of the rest.
Contingency plans. For all you know the stormtroopers will blow the bridge as your droids try to cross it. After all, it is a rickety old wooden bridge and the droids are easily eight or nine feet tall and mostly metal. Assuming they can even cross it, they can only cross it one at a time. Keep in mind also thermal detonators, traps, and the possibility of hidden sniper fire and marksman. This crossing is easily the most dangerous part of this assault. If I were in charge of the stormtroopers, I would have explosives under the center of the bridge and detonate them when you begin to cross. If you could get more than one droid across at once, that is.
Now keep in mind this operation depends on two things, primarily Bastila her battle meditation and Malak his great way of attacking head on. Also keep in mind that Malak himself will be joining in the battle once the guys are over the bridge and the droids stop firing its 700 Dark Jedi + Plus Malak jumping into a weak scattered and scared base trying to destroy what little remains, if the troops haven't routed by then yet.
Again, this is working on the method of you getting your droids across initially and not being destroyed, then by being able to effectively move your dakr jedi across. At this point, you're in their turf, and they have little to lose. So far, this battle plan is risky. That bridge is your greatest foe.
Again, this is working on the method of you getting your droids across initially and not being destroyed, then by being able to effectively move your dakr jedi across. At this point, you're in their turf, and they have little to lose. So far, this battle plan is risky. That bridge is your greatest foe.
The bridge is my greatest foe.. But nothing was said about the bridge being mined so I didn't think it would be mined... Of course if it is I will need to move around, which will take time but in the end is only better for me. Lets say the bridge is mined then when a droid passes the bridge will blow. Meaning I lose what 1 droid possibly four or so in a row... Who cares walk away pass the canyon and come back and take them out.
Possible its going to hurt me less but it takes to damn long and you can't afford to do that, its bad for morale.
Some clarification on this part, please.
So let me get this straight: You will be crossing initially using the droids. will they just cross, or cross firing, or what?
Damn I knew I should have looked up the English word, of course they are going to cross while firing, the droids behind them are going to fire too. Not effectively but they have to cover the one's that pass... What I was trying to say is that once they cross they are all going to fire to make sure the clones can't fire back. You know keep them hiding. Now because the walls are weak that will mean those guys will have to hide behind everything they can find. And they will scatter...
Now one more thing, of course its a possibility that the Clones will blow up the bridge. But when you think about it, its only going to hurt them. The base is going to have a second access point, if not then blowing up the bridge means they die. A siege would start, my Jedi would retreat and the droids would keep them busy. So there is a second access point, all that second access point would mean to me is no more bridge and that it takes more time to get there.
Now the time thing I could live with it, but its obviously not what Faunus wanted me to do so I have to cross the small bridge, if it does get blown I will lose at most four droids and I will be able to just walk around the canyon and attack head on. Effectively slaughtering everybody thats inside much easier. But thats not the plan because it would just make everything easier for me.
BTW: Just in case the other access routes are mind I will have 10 droids go out in front and behind them the rest all in lines of 10... Just to make sure that nobody is going to get hit by a mine or something. But I seriously doubt it would come to that, and even if it would casualty's would be lower then if I cross the bridge. But I want to take that damn bridge.