alright...so i get to charge an impregnible tower of death...i like. 😛
alright, assuming the mine field stretches out far enough from the tower to be out of range of the heavy arms and such, and the ships being even farther out, i'll start by getting my troops up into position behind them, for cover, each group with it's respective general.
from here the attack starts, a few of my clones closest to the mine field, will throw over some proton grenades into the mine field, with the resulting explosions taking out the nearest section of the minefield.
following this i'll send 2,000 of my clonetroopers out in scattered formation, to start the advance, led my Quinlan Vos to sense the remaining minds. as they advance, the first 2 lines begin to fire at the exposed e-webs in front, while the others fire as gaps may open. meanwhile 500 clones flank the main group, 250 to each side, and use their spreadth across the field to keep from taking concentrated fire from the e-webs and rocket. now the 250 on each side will lay down, or kneel in a scattered yet closed formation, and provide cover fire, many firing at the rocket, some also firing to take out the e-webs.
now while at first the range may make some of the firing inaccurate, this many men firing at one area as got to hit something, the e-webs are exposed and out in front, they'll drop quickly whether or not they get enough shots off to hurt my men. and the rocket is out on an exposed balcony, so enough shooting should either take it out, or make the men keep their heads down.
so once the e-webs are down, the front line will continue to advance, passing the minefield with Vos's help, as well as continue to fire on the rocket now, and the 500 on the flanks will not use their cover fire on the building, attempting to hit or pin down the men at the windows.
(now is the mortar/turbo laser visible from the ground? or is the roof cleared away with the it resting actually IN the building. i guess..is it on? or in?)
-if it's in the building, my covering fire men will have to just stay out of range and scattered, while the others, after taking out the rocket and e-webs, advance to the building's base where the mortar will no longer effect them.
-if it's exposed, my cover fire will also be concentrated on the mortar, as well as a few proton rockets from my clones. either to take it out or make them keep their heads down.
now, finally, once the main clone force reaches the building, they'll be sure to shoot through the windows on the first floor, to clear it as much as they can before throwing in proton grenades and perhaps thermal detonators to clear the rest. then, under cover fire from my remaining troops, Exar Kun and Xanatos will lead forward the Massassi warriors (these have sabers/are force sensitive at least a little, right?) deflecting the remaining blasters bolts or sniper shots, or dodging them with the Force, until they reach the door.
and this is where it ends, and my forces combine. the clones will set door charges, and blow it open, followed by Exar, Xanatos and all the Massassi rushing in and using their superiour expert close-ranged fighting abilities, and Exar Kun being able to take most of the fortress himself probably, and Xan the rest, when you add in the Massassi, it'l be a slaughter.
however, for good measure the clones on the first floor will follow for support, just in case it's needed.
and lastly, the remaining clones will move forward to support and clean up the minefield by shooting it, and my brawlers will hang back as a rear guard if they need to be called up.
Dathomir:
Dathomir is a dangerous planet to traverse. It's difficult terrain makes landing a transport extremely dangerous, and the only suitable landing location is 10 miles outside of the base. The planet is infested with hungry rancors, larger than most other planets because of their cannibalistic tendencies to kill and each each other -- only the fittest survive. There is a tentative alliance between the Witches of Dathomir, who have sensed your arrival, and the battallion of storm troopers.
The fortress is not particularlly on high ground, but it is surrounded by a small crevasse, making directly charging the castle next to impossible without some other means. The witches of rancor lie within the massive citadel, over 70 of them riding enormous rancors. A battallion of 600 storm troopers are armed with jetpacks, flamethrowers, and rapid repeating blasters that include disrupters. These storm troopers are trained to rain death from above if the citadel's ten foot walls are breached.
There is a single mortar situated on the highest tower of the citadel. It's on a swivel, and can rain a shell from any direction. This mortar is extremely devastating, and can cause death in a large radius while having a long effective range. The job becomes simply, navigating the though terrain towards the citadel and then neutralize the threat.
alright...so i get to charge an impregnible tower of death...i like. 😛
lol... I did try to make it tough on you because of Kun. Plus this is a classic situation of having to eat up fire while advancing.
alright, assuming the mine field stretches out far enough from the tower to be out of range of the heavy arms and such, and the ships being even farther out, i'll start by getting my troops up into position behind them, for cover, each group with it's respective general.
Correct. The ships are just before the mind field.
from here the attack starts, a few of my clones closest to the mine field, will throw over some proton grenades into the mine field, with the resulting explosions taking out the nearest section of the minefield.
Presumably. Not a bad plan, and certainly a hell of a lot better than what I've seen so far.
following this i'll send 2,000 of my clonetroopers out in scattered formation, to start the advance, led my Quinlan Vos to sense the remaining minds. as they advance, the first 2 lines begin to fire at the exposed e-webs in front, while the others fire as gaps may open. meanwhile 500 clones flank the main group, 250 to each side, and use their spreadth across the field to keep from taking concentrated fire from the e-webs and rocket. now the 250 on each side will lay down, or kneel in a scattered yet closed formation, and provide cover fire, many firing at the rocket, some also firing to take out the e-webs.
Sounds okay, but remember it is a quarter mile deep of mines. A few proton grenades won't remove enough to spread out your forces enough.
now while at first the range may make some of the firing inaccurate, this many men firing at one area as got to hit something, the e-webs are exposed and out in front, they'll drop quickly whether or not they get enough shots off to hurt my men. and the rocket is out on an exposed balcony, so enough shooting should either take it out, or make the men keep their heads down.
This is true. However, keep in mind that there are between 300 and 400 storm troopers who are firing from windows, out of balconies and doors, and off of the top (Which is partially exposed; the roof was collapsed. Sorry, I forgot to add that.) This is a combined fire of over 200 blasts every other second if they're lenient. And for those who have rifles and precision weapons, they can target individual units beyond the maximum accurate distance for the repeating weapons. In particular, they can fire at up to a mile at least, meaning precision fire will be a main factor of your armies' lives until they inadvertently take most of them out.
so once the e-webs are down, the front line will continue to advance, passing the minefield with Vos's help, as well as continue to fire on the rocket now, and the 500 on the flanks will not use their cover fire on the building, attempting to hit or pin down the men at the windows.
Remember that this fortress is on a cliff with only one side accessible by foot. Flanking isn't much of an option, and in any case the two e-webs by the main doors provide ample protection.
(now is the mortar/turbo laser visible from the ground? or is the roof cleared away with the it resting actually IN the building. i guess..is it on? or in?)
-if it's in the building, my covering fire men will have to just stay out of range and scattered, while the others, after taking out the rocket and e-webs, advance to the building's base where the mortar will no longer effect them.
-if it's exposed, my cover fire will also be concentrated on the mortar, as well as a few proton rockets from my clones. either to take it out or make them keep their heads down.[/B
The roof is partially visible, and the eleveated turret is definately visible when it comes up to fire. The mortar itself is barely visible, and in any case would be a very difficult target to attack because of all the other stormtroopers raining death from the other floors. Not even counting that anti-tank turbolaser.
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now, finally, once the main clone force reaches the building, they'll be sure to shoot through the windows on the first floor, to clear it as much as they can before throwing in proton grenades and perhaps thermal detonators to clear the rest. then, under cover fire from my remaining troops, Exar Kun and Xanatos will lead forward the Massassi warriors (these have sabers/are force sensitive at least a little, right?) deflecting the remaining blasters bolts or sniper shots, or dodging them with the Force, until they reach the door.
This could work if and when you get to the door. As it stands, this will be a bloody break for the door.
and this is where it ends, and my forces combine. the clones will set door charges, and blow it open, followed by Exar, Xanatos and all the Massassi rushing in and using their superiour expert close-ranged fighting abilities, and Exar Kun being able to take most of the fortress himself probably, and Xan the rest, when you add in the Massassi, it'l be a slaughter.
Pretty much. I didn't detail the inside defenses like I should have, so I agree with this.
however, for good measure the clones on the first floor will follow for support, just in case it's needed.
and lastly, the remaining clones will move forward to support and clean up the minefield by shooting it, and my brawlers will hang back as a rear guard if they need to be called up.
Not bad, really. A few good points I liked, such as using cover and detonating nearby mines from behind said cover with grenades. Also, the whole firing through the windows to clean out the first floor is nice. But I think you need to reconsider how deadly this charge is going to be. If the enemy is in range, so are you. Except, in this case the riflemen have you from the moment you try to get to cover and actually... some beforehand. Also, the turbolaser and the mortar have very good range and can mow down troops for quite some distance.
well i didn't think the windows would be so bad...it's not an office building is it? with thousands of windows for them?
i imagined this as a concrete block, i'm really only charging from 1 side so that's 4 floors of windows on 1 side. so let's assume there's...2 windows per floor on each side (anything more is going to be odd..don't you think?) that leave 8 windows, so 8 people can shoot at me. unless they're bigger, maybe 2 people per window, so now 16 people are firing into 2,000 while they're being fired back at also.
or maybe, for the sake of arguement, each side has 4 floors per window, so now it's 16 guys firing me at 1 per window, and 32 at 2 per window...precision and such, possibly, but i have 500 men specifically for providing cover fire, which will take out the e-webs/rocket/mortar/windows as well as keep heads down short of killing them, as well as the first 2 lines of 2,000 marching men.
that's a lot of fire going at them compared to short lifes of the e-webs, a shot or 2 from the rocket, maybe 1 at max direct mortar hit, and 32 men.
remember the Battle of Genosis? all those clones advancing and firing like that in a lone line? image that at 1 concrete block. this impregnable fortress becomes a death trap..and that's before Exar has his way with the men inside. 😛
and if needed, i'll send in the back-up clones early for even more cover fire and just fire in general for the chance to take out the windows and other defenses.
and finally!!, my clones wont just have guns, i expect my men probably to carry at least a few proton rockets that can be launched back, taking out the heavier defenses and possible taking out a window position or too.
ps. the proton idea was meant to be a widespread effort, even as they walked, perhaps throwing them farther in front of them, to take out the mines. the idea is to clear the first main part so we can clear cover with out worrying about those, and then have Quinlan use the Force to get us around the last part.
Remember that this fortress is on a cliff with only one side accessible by foot. Flanking isn't much of an option, and in any case the two e-webs by the main doors provide ample protection.
oh, yah, i know that. i'm not flanking the tower really, i'm saying that their moving to the flanks of my main line. so it would look something like this
[250 clones] ----main line---- [250 clones]
with the flanks farther back, as they're not advancing. the point is to spread out, and give more people the ability to lay down cover fire, rather than have only the front 2 lines.
well i didn't think the windows would be so bad...it's not an office building is it? with thousands of windows for them?
Not an office building. Think of it as a sturdy base. It -does- have a shield generator installed.
i imagined this as a concrete block, i'm really only charging from 1 side so that's 4 floors of windows on 1 side. so let's assume there's...2 windows per floor on each side (anything more is going to be odd..don't you think?) that leave 8 windows, so 8 people can shoot at me. unless they're bigger, maybe 2 people per window, so now 16 people are firing into 2,000 while they're being fired back at also.
I should have been more specific, but I got a call halfway through and it ruined my train of thought: Assume that there is adequate windows, round viewports and a balcony with an open door on floors two, three and four. The top as you remember is semi-collapsed, and from there stormtroopers can fire as well. Ideally, even if the blasting is something like 100 shots every other second, this is still quite a volley. Tack on the treacherous mines, the mortar, and the turbolaster turret and this is hell in a handbasket.
or maybe, for the sake of arguement, each side has 4 floors per window, so now it's 16 guys firing me at 1 per window, and 32 at 2 per window...precision and such, possibly, but i have 500 men specifically for providing cover fire, which will take out the e-webs/rocket/mortar/windows as well as keep heads down short of killing them, as well as the first 2 lines of 2,000 marching men.
Not sure it's this simple.
that's a lot of fire going at them compared to short lifes of the e-webs, a shot or 2 from the rocket, maybe 1 at max direct mortar hit, and 32 men.
Again, not that simple. How good are your troops at covering fire? Converging fire? Moving fire? How good are they versus stormtroopers?
remember the Battle of Genosis? all those clones advancing and firing like that in a lone line? image that at 1 concrete block. this impregnable fortress becomes a death trap..and that's before Exar has his way with the men inside. 😛
Yes, I recall that. It was the dumbest thing I had ever seen. It was like Robert E. Lee came back from the dead to lead those men into Valhalla or victory. A line of fire isn't going to overcome well-situated troops in a solid tower.
and if needed, i'll send in the back-up clones early for even more cover fire and just fire in general for the chance to take out the windows and other defenses.
Possibly might work.
and finally!!, my clones wont just have guns, i expect my men probably to carry at least a few proton rockets that can be launched back, taking out the heavier defenses and possible taking out a window position or too.
I'd like some specs on the proton rockets if you would.
ps. the proton idea was meant to be a widespread effort, even as they walked, perhaps throwing them farther in front of them, to take out the mines. the idea is to clear the first main part so we can clear cover with out worrying about those, and then have Quinlan use the Force to get us around the last part. [/B][/QUOTE]
proton rock is pretty much a bigger proton grenade that can be shot out of a launcher, pretty powerful.
i wish i could give you more, i read it in one of my Star Wars books, if you need a RL example, it's probably like a more powerful version of an AT4, except that it's used on buildings and people and stuff.
and perhaps, if the charge is suddenly so tough with all the windows and balconies and stuff...they have more chances to shoot, but they're also more exposed. so i'll use that last 2000 i didn't use last time, to take the place of the advancing line as they move forward, so my line now looks like this
----advancing line----
[250] ----2000 covering fire clones---- [250]
all directed at the building, while the advancing line clears the minefield, and with the e-webs taken out, as well as maybe the rocket launcher, they make a mad rush across the last short run of the 1/4 mile to the base of the fortress, and proceed with the plan to clear the building.
Okay… Seeing as I have completely underestimated my opponents the first time and obviously misread Janus his post I’m just going to do this again.
First things first, I’m splitting my generals from their troops, all I’m bringing is the Dark Jedi. But with all three generals. 770 Dark Jedi Bastila, Obi Wan Kenobi and Malak will just have to be enough in this battle. So I’m facing 500 enemy’s. In 7 pillboxes. This is how the battle will go.
Malak will split up from Bastila and Obi Wan Kenobi and take a small team of 5 Dark Jedi into the tree’s. Bastila in the mean time will start using battle meditation and Obi Wan Kenobi will also be send out to sneak around with a team of two Dark Jedi. The rest of the Dark Jedi are going to stay silent near Bastila who is using her battle meditation far away from the battle field. In the tree’s the mines won’t hurt either but more importantly they can’t be seen.
Now Obi Wan and his two Jedi will move to a pillbox and infiltrate it, slaughter them from the inside. I’m pretty sure Obi Wan can do this… After all he managed to get through the Death Star without any trouble and without getting caught. Besides he has two Dark Jedi there with him to kill all the people that come at him. The pillboxes won’t be filled with soldiers either, there have to be soldiers outside patrolling the area. So he will take out one of the pillboxes being more like a Ninja then anything else.
Malak will also take a pillbox along with his five Dark Jedi. Like Obi Wan he will come from the tree’s jump down on the ground walk in but unlike Obi Wan he will take the pillbox with brute strength. Now we all know Malak so we all know there is just no way he can lose from a few soldiers even in a head on battle. It would be a massacre.
At this time I’m pretty sure the other pillboxes will start to notice unless they are all manned by idiots. Now this will scare them and this will mean its time for my second team to get into action. A second squad of Dark Jedi will be hiding in the tree’s near the pillboxes that are conquered Malak and his team will move on to the second pillbox just like Obi wan and his team will. The Dark Jedi in the tree’s will have but one job to kill the squad that comes to investigate. There will be about 20 Dark Jedi in the tree’s for each pillbox. They only have one mission kill the defenders.
The purpose of this is to scare them. When communications go out in a middle of a battle things tend to become confusing and sometimes scaring, especially with Battle Meditation trying to destroy your will. The Morale of the troops will lower and they will be scared as hell. Not knowing what is going on. Guerrilla warfare is going to be effective in a jungle. So that means 140 Dark Jedi guarding the pillboxes and killing the people that come to check and another 7 Dark Jedi killing the people inside the pillbox. Now that’s not going to be enough but with the help of Malak and Obi Wan it really shouldn’t be to much of a problem.
So 7 pillboxes will be taking down, people will be scared at that time not knowing what is going on. At this time the Rest of the Dark Jedi will have to start acting. Now they can walk through the mine field (Anakin in LOE ran through a minefield sensing the mines in the ground to get to a soldier). They will move slowly and in a large group all but ten will go out there. They will have to be careful and constantly keep hiding. If they get detected they are ****ed and that’s not what we want to happen. If necessary they should look at the tree’s and jump in there. Hoping that there are enough strong tree’s to carry at least a hundred extra Jedi. But I would prefer it if they would over the ground. Slaughtering the troops they find, with minimal casualty’s if any at all. A Jedi should not lose from a worthless bastard shooting a weapon especially not if the Jedi outnumber them. Once they get close or in danger (in which case they will stop moving) Obi Wan and Malak will get in. Without their teams. They will have to sneak past the guards and reach the gun. Well sneak, they will just have to reach the crew of the gun. Once that is done a few (read: 20 to a 100) Dark Jedi can come in and help with the slaughtering of the rest of the pillbox, which will probably be the biggest area because the gun has to be placed at a centralized area where it can shoot into every direction and high.
The Dark Jedi outside are still paying attention to what goes on around them and will go into reinforce the attack if people die, which I doubt. Now the last guy in the pillbox will be taken out by Malak. Either by just using the force to destroy the room or by shooting lightning until the bastard is as fried as his flamethrower.
Of course if the Pillboxes are small Malak will always be able to do that. What I’m assuming here is that the pillboxes have a reasonable size and are quite powerful. Like a reasonable sized Bunker. If I’m wrong and it really is just a gun nest then Malak will just go around the tree’s and use the force to make the ceiling fall down on the floor of the pillbox. So this is going to be a covert operation mostly.
There you go...