I think "Feral" Beast (oo...coining a new term) would eat Batman's face before Batman could react with all his fancy devices.
Read Astonishing X-men 12 to see what i'm talking about. (Spoilers) Beast took out the Danger Room android that defeated all the AXM by itself. Beast was letting his animal instincts take over. Excellent fight.
bat's said it was possible that cap COULD take him in a long drawn out fight...onew must also consider that was hand to hand...eventually batmanwould have wore down, cap wouldn't...however against a real fighting batman, using his toys and cheating...as he's been known to do, captain america's chances for success decrease dramatically...same with beast...KO gas will work just fine.
Originally posted by jinzin
bat's said it was possible that cap COULD take him in a long drawn out fight...onew must also consider that was hand to hand...eventually batmanwould have wore down, cap wouldn't...however against a real fighting batman, using his toys and cheating...as he's been known to do, captain america's chances for success decrease dramatically...same with beast...KO gas will work just fine.
Originally posted by jgiant
Yeah that fight with cap may be a close one with the gadgets involved, but beast's agility may be to much for bats by the time he throws the gas beast will be on top of him and it may be over, but ya never no with bats again he does find a way, i'll say beast 7/10...
agility? pffft. manbat swoops around the place in a blur...batman take him down every time. beast bouncing around will only delay the inevitable...
Hmm...
See, this is a bit different than the Cap Vs. Beast scenario. Batman brings far more to the table than Cap does armaments wise.
Thing is, given Beast's speed and strength, and Batman's physical frailty as compared to Cap (Bat's doesn't utilize any super serum), Beast can literally maul Batman before he mounted an offensive to fully incapacitate him in the confines of the Danger Room. If it wasn't a confined area there'd be more variables on the table for Bat's to exploit, like cover and shadows, but in an enclosed space like the Danger Room in plain view, well, like I said before:
Don't let hero worship get in the way of logic.
My money's on Beast, again.
Sorry Bruce.
I'll say this though, if you were to make a Beast vs. Black Panther thread with the same scenario (Danger Room w/no prep or outside influences), I'd take T'Challa. Vibranium armor and blades, energy dagger, array of other offensive implements, enhanced physical abilities and comparable agility, better fighting skills, etc.
If Bat's had Super Serum, I'd take Batman.
If Cap had more than his shield (like Batman's fully stocked utility belt), I'd take Cap.
Panther's the best of both worlds.
But anyway, I'd take Beast in a no prep fight in an enclosed space against Batman.
no prep..enclosed area....GAS....simple solution to an even simpler problem...
physically solomon grundy dominates batman...didn't stop bats from pressure pointing his arse into submission and then walking over lady shiva's face immediately after...
beast is good but can he cut through batman's armor when a knife can't? can he pierce it when a barrage of bullets can't? can he rend batman unconsious with blows when an eveil supes, nor a pissed of darksied could do so?
how well will he fair up to acid spray? super sonics? exploding batarangs?
i just don't think beast has the tools, and/or skills to win this...
Originally posted by jinzin
no prep..enclosed area....GAS....simple solution to an even simpler problem...physically solomon grundy dominates batman...didn't stop bats from pressure pointing his arse into submission and then walking over lady shiva's face immediately after...
beast is good but can he cut through batman's armor when a knife can't? can he pierce it when a barrage of bullets can't? can he rend batman unconsious with blows when an eveil supes, nor a pissed of darksied could do so?
how well will he fair up to acid spray? super sonics? exploding batarangs?
i just don't think beast has the tools, and/or skills to win this...
Well, he can break Batman's neck rather easily given his strength. No need to cut through armor to do that...
Beast is far from dumb or an unskilled fighter. He trains religously in the Danger Room, and has been doing so since his early teens. He has enough training and enhanced physical ability through his mutation to take Bruce.
Solomon Grundy isn't really a good comparison for Beast. Beast has brains, brawn, and extensive training. He's not just some dimwitted strong man. Even given Grundy's immense strength, he's very one dimensional.
And dumb.
Sonic shriekers, acid, gas grenades:
all well and good, but it's nothing Beast hasn't seen, dealt with, or been rigorously trained for. Hell, he's seen worse and been through worse.
In an enclosed battleground, no less, with nowhere for Batman to retreat to and regroup or sneak attack from using his much fabled mastery of Ninjitsu, which are normally his greatest weapons.
Basically,
Logic says: Beast.
Reputation says: Batman.
I tend to side with logic.
Originally posted by roughrider
Still at it, Draco? Okay, no indestructable, vibration-absorbing shield here, but drop Batman somewhere with his utility belt, against someone who isn't even bulletproof - Beast has a hard time. And, Batman has some hand-to-hand knockout and paralyzing moves. Can go either way.
No. I just want see if Cap is overrated as I believe he is. Batman who is in many ways Cap's equal and superior has gone up against superior foes on this forum and everyone knows he would lose...and yet when Cap goes up against the very same opponent they say he either has a small chance of winning or he will win outright.
Beast 8/10
Yes I think he might take it more times than Cap but that has to do with the fact that he has more options than merely throwing his sheild. However he is in this scenerio at a major disadvantage. There is far too much opern are for Batman to hide in, as well as it allows Beast the mobility he needs to press his advantage.
Now consider Beast's intelligence Batman pulls out so much as one gadget and Beast will know the score. Given his speed I doubt it would be all that difficult for him to reach Batman while Batman is going to have hell tring to tag Beast with anything. Think about it he trains for years agiants marksmen like Gambet and Cyclops and numerous others.
The only possible ways Batman can win; gas. However considering that the Danger room is well vehntillated, as well as Beast's enhanced physiology well... its a pretty piss poor option but its possible. 😬 Another Option is a nerve strike from bruce, but any scenerio where Bruce is that close to Beast is going to be rather messy. Another option is for Bruce to possibley hope tha Beast underestimates him and pretty mcuh manages to throw his face into Bruce's foot. 😆 Other than that....
also don't evne mention that thing with Supes. Clark raped him, we all know that. This isn't Wolverine, where there is almost a plausible excuse for him to survive a hit from and enraged Superman. Even with all of the stuff he tried to use on Superman to wear him out he should have still been Bat-Gravy after a hit from Clark.