Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I did. Off-topic, BNW is a brilliant novel.
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
you know what I really don't feel like dealing with you again, before you start the whole "Your wrong" thing, I am not even going to respond to you. Even though I have different opinions, I will hold my tongue.Faith will always be a lot stronger then evidence I think, not matter what Religion you hold. Buddhist have faith in their Religion and Buddha,Christians have faith in God. Maybe they cant exactly be proved but there is still faith in something. I am not saying your wrong, I am only sharing my opinion. So please don't take it as me trying to be mean to you or anything, thats not my intention.
I don't care for the way Atheists believe either, they always down talk Religion. They may not believe in it, but they shouldn't go and destroy it for anyone else.
Sometimes the best way to deal with AC......but it's fun watching him debate with others....
Now Evidence as such is stronger as face though...since well...it's evidence.....now the Scientific World is to some extend based on believe too...but the thing is that when scientists take something as rather possible, it can be seen over and over again...that'S the grewat thing aboot Science...I will see that apple fall 100 of 100 times, and that'S enough for me to believe in Gravitation (now if it is a force or something else that is a different matter) whilst I have never experienced god....some peopel say there was someone who made miracles thousands of years ago, but well...haven't seen any of them lately....
I agree, and I am actually guilty of that too, atheists sometimes believe to be far above all others cause they depend on proof rather than faith....but in fact it is basically the same...that'S why I think if you want to raise your children to notbelieve you should teach them the agnostic way.....oh by the way I read Sidhartha at the moment by Herman Hesse.....people should really read it it's a great book.....
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Hmm. 1984 is good as well. Different approaches to the same ends.
And I think it were the two major approaches to future development, although Huxleys was a little more Sci Fi......I am a Science Fiction fan you must know.....
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What the...? Are you incapable of passively discussing things now? I'm not attacking you. I'm questioning you.Let's say someone had factually seen an alien, right? They have evidence to prove it. Someone else BELIEVES there are aliens. Who's case would be stronger? The guy with evidence. Believing something means you believe it's there, knowing that it's there means you can prove it beyond all doubt.
I know plenty of passive atheists who get talked down on by christians, it's happened in this very thread and you agreed with the person who did it. Very hypocritical.
If a woman wants to stab her child to death, she can? Because she created it. That's what you're saying. Nobody has the right to kill...don't kill to prove a point, BUT it's ok for God?
-AC
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you question me like your totally against me
well obviously the guy with the proof, but it has also been proven people how have a good out look on life and have a strong faith in something are healthier and can get through illness quicker.
what do you mean very Hypocritical?....what did I do?
No, ewww. First off that women didn't really create that child. God gave the child life, he it is suppose to die then it will...and I don't always mean through killing that is sick. I am saying in MY belief God is the higher power, he gave us life and he can take. Thats all I am trying to say. Please don't argue with me. I don't want to fight I just want to sate what I believe without being interrogated
Originally posted by Bardock42
I very much agree with you there.....I personally prefer it much to the rather dull 1984 (Animal Farm is great again though)Sometimes the best way to deal with AC......but it's fun watching him debate with others....
Now Evidence as such is stronger as face though...since well...it's evidence.....now the Scientific World is to some extend based on believe too...but the thing is that when scientists take something as rather possible, it can be seen over and over again...that'S the grewat thing aboot Science...I will see that apple fall 100 of 100 times, and that'S enough for me to believe in Gravitation (now if it is a force or something else that is a different matter) whilst I have never experienced god....some peopel say there was someone who made miracles thousands of years ago, but well...haven't seen any of them lately....
I agree, and I am actually guilty of that too, atheists sometimes believe to be far above all others cause they depend on proof rather than faith....but in fact it is basically the same...that'S why I think if you want to raise your children to notbelieve you should teach them the agnostic way.....oh by the way I read Sidhartha at the moment by Herman Hesse.....people should really read it it's a great book.....
See in my chem my teacher two years ago explained the whole Fact vs. Belief thing and how science can actually give proof and all. It was interesting.
Originally posted by Bardock42
the Idea is good, it's just not a nice read imo.And I think it were the two major approaches to future development, although Huxleys was a little more Sci Fi......I am a Science Fiction fan you must know.....
The primary difference is probably the tone: one is a moral novel, one is a satire.
Anyway, back to 'Demonic Possession, A Realy Possibility?...
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
See in my chem my teacher two years ago explained the whole Fact vs. Belief thing and how science can actually give proof and all. It was interesting.
Well science can't actually give evidence beyond doubt...but it is way more likely ....I think Popper said a lot on that subject, like you never know if it will happen again but it is so likely that you should just deal with it as if it will happen all the time....sucks for Batman I guess....expecting everything and all....
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
😬you question me like your totally against me
Just so we can clear this up, I don't have anything against you at all. Seriously, I do not.
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
well obviously the guy with the proof, but it has also been proven people how have a good out look on life and have a strong faith in something are healthier and can get through illness quicker.
Well then, faith isn't stronger than evidence.
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
what do you mean very Hypocritical?....what did I do?
You said atheists are bad (some are, some aren't, like most things) and that they talk down on religion but you agreed with Spelljammer when he called atheists wusses. It's not ok to talk down on the non-religious also.
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
:No, ewww. First off that women didn't really create that child. God gave the child life,
In your belief he did. If the woman's an atheist, then she obviously doesn't believe God did. See how this is all about belief and not proof? You cannot tell her she can't kill it because it's not hers, why? Because you chose to believe in God. She didn't, therefore your beliefs have no meaning to her.
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
I am saying in MY belief God is the higher power, he gave us life and he can take. Thats all I am trying to say. Please don't argue with me. I don't want to fight I just want to sate what I believe without being interrogated
I'm not trying to interrogate you, I'm just discussing. Sorry you feel that way, you shouldn't. I'm not trying to change your mind here.
You believe God is the higher power, cool. Fine with me. I'm just curious as to all this reasoning.
-AC
Originally posted by Raven Guardia
well obviously the guy with the proof, but it has also been proven people how have a good out look on life and have a strong faith in something are healthier and can get through illness quicker.
Die Tatsache dass sich der Gläubige glücklicher fühlt als der Ungläubige sagt nicht mehr als dass sich der Betrunkene glücklicher fühlt als der Nüchterne." Sir Bernard Shaw
Have heard a good quote by George Bernard Shaw (good man by the way) to that subject....but I heard a German translation so I will try to translate it back, or better I will jsut look for it on a quotation page:
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact than a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
Originally posted by BlackC@t
People say that God creates children. But it's also said that we have free will. So therefore wouldn't it be our decision to create a child and therefore we created it and not God?
People who believe in God very strongly, say that he creates children. Not "people". Christianity isn't the default believe, being an atheist or an agnostic is not a second or third choice. If a child was born and never encountered TV, the media or a religion/follower of in it's entire life, chances are that it wouldn't even think "Hmm, God created this." Christianity, like most other things, is a belief that you have to be convinced to be a part of. You're not born a christian, you become one through influence.
Secondly, that's why it's silly to say "She can't kill her baby BECAUSE IT'S GOD'S. God gave her it" because that's subjective. You believe in God creating all so therefore you believe he gave it to her. Someone who doesn't believe in God, or someone who just knows science, can very well say "No, my partner shot his load into me. That's what happened. God didn't f*ck me, my husband/boyfriend did." Christians all too often think that they can tell a female what to do with her child because of where they believe it came from. That's just not the case. If it happens to a you as a christian? Go for it. Deal with the baby how you think God would want you to. Not with another woman's.
So the point I'm making before we get onto a baby topic, is that you cannot say there's no need to kill...but it's ok for God to because he created it. Because lots of people don't believe in God. So if you believe it's ok for the creator to slay the created then a woman would be well within her right, by your own rationale, to kill her child.
(When I say 'you' I mean generally.)
-AC
^Good point. Never thought of it like that. Don't know how the subject got to abortion, but good point nonetheless.
On topic: I see a lot of people talking about evidence and whatnot but honestly when it comes down to belief in the supernatural you can't rely on scientific evidence because the study of science as we know it currently does not include anything supernatural. For all we know we could not yet be advanced enough to detect and explain the supernatural using science. Maybe we will one day, or maybe we never will because supposed supernatural forces are just old beliefs that people haven't quite let go of yet.
Ever notice how it's those who don't believe in God who feel they have justification for murder, immoral behavoir, and other hanusity?
You deny God because you want the perks of evil, but you're not ready to exsept the consequinces of your actions. You are cowards. And neither good, nor evil, has any place for cowards. You're doomed.
Originally posted by Spelljammer
Ever notice how it's those who don't believe in God who feel they have justification for murder, immoral behavoir, and other hanusity?You deny God because you want the perks of evil, but you're not ready to exsept the consequinces of your actions. You are cowards. And neither good, nor evil, has any place for cowards. You're doomed.
You're still failing to grasp the concept that I'm not denying God. Apparantly you're one of those christians who believes that questioning a belief is the work of Satan purely because it questions...well, a belief. I've found that those who rabidly and ignorantly dismiss whatever the other person is saying without listening, like you, are often those who have flimsy beliefs. Maybe it's your own dwindling faith that causes my words to strike a nerve.
Either way, I'm not denying God, just replying to people in this thread and exposing the sheer hypocrisy.
Talk sense or don't talk.
-AC
Originally posted by SpelljammerWhat ever happen to you? You used to be a self-procliamed evil Satanist and now you're sounding more like a God-fearing evangelist.
Ever notice how it's those who don't believe in God who feel they have justification for murder, immoral behavoir, and other hanusity?You deny God because you want the perks of evil, but you're not ready to exsept the consequinces of your actions. You are cowards. And neither good, nor evil, has any place for cowards. You're doomed.
Did you find Jesus or something?
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
What ever happen to you? You used to be a self-procliamed evil Satanist and now you're sounding more like a God-fearing evangelist.Did you find Jesus or something?
I could never be a Christian, far too much mercy and compassion for my taste. They are fools who allow the stupidity to run rampant. Satan and the legions of hell wanted mankind to be servants, which they'd probably get that wrong too, but atleast they would be doing less damage in general..